Would you like the option of joining more than 5 guilds?

jkemmery · June 2015

I'm finding 5 guilds total per ACCOUNT, not character, to be a bit limiting, and I would like to know the thoughts of others regarding this.

jkemmery · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

Yes, I would either like the option of making the 5 guild limit on the character, or I would like to have to option of joining more guilds, say, 20 - 25.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

I would like the option to sell my stuff at ANY kiosk. The owner would still get a listing fee from me, so I don't see an issue with this approach.

Banky71 · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

Why do you need so many guilds?

Yinmaigao · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

Even managing 5 guilds is a pain in the rear... What I would like, however, is being able to control what characters are in what guilds

Heromofo · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

I could get behind it maily because i dont want my DC chars in the same guilds as my AD chars.
SO i would like to see more in tabs so i can label them AD Guilds,DC Guilds and EP guilds.

Reprezz · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

No, I wouldnt, I would actually prefer less. In this case it will make players focus more on a particular Guild.

MissBizz · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

I think 5 guilds is fine. If you're part of 20, how would you even get to know anyone? Surely maybe for trade guilds, but reall,y you don't need that many. I find 5 quite wonderful.

jkemmery · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

Banky71 wrote: »

Why do you need so many guilds?

For several reasons. First of all, it sucks to try to find the crap you need in guild stores running all over Nirn. Having more guild stores to choose from right at your bank would be a huge time saver for me. Second, there are several good active PvP guilds that I would like to be able to participate in, but in order to do so, I would need to drop one of my current ones, which runs the risk of ticking off people. Then, there are pvp guilds in different factions for different charcters. If you have more than one character doing pvp and are in different factions then you are constantly dropping and joining guilds. I like to belong to 2 to 3 trade strong trade guilds for buying and selling my stuff, and a couple different pvp guilds to run with in Cyrodiil. 5 per account of 8 total characters to me seems ridiculous. With more guilds I can both be a member of several trade guilds with their stores, and be a member of several pvp guilds with my characters in different factions.

Merkabeh · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

jkemmery wrote: »

Yes, I would either like the option of making the 5 guild limit on the character, or I would like to have to option of joining more guilds, say, 20 - 25.

This! The character part!

The idea of players joining guilds instead of characters is just ridiculous in a game with a center piece of faction warfare and a lore based around racism and thematic guilds.

Guilds have no way to truly enforce their theme because each members alts are automatically included in the guild. So, you have DC guilds with people playing on EP or AD characters. Or No Elves guilds that have people playing on elven alts. So your options are either, enforce the theme, or allow for non compliant alts.

This is one of the decisions that made me wonder if anyone at ZOS actually played MMOs before; the other 2 are IDs instead of character names and removal of text chat on console.

Now, I know this change would likely never happen, but it doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer characters join guilds instead of players.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · June 2015

Where's the: "Nope, in a properly designed game one guild should be enough" option?

All The Best

jkemmery · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Where's the: "Nope, in a properly designed game one guild should be enough" option?

All The Best

I would only agree to that if there was a universal auction system.

lsneakl · June 2015

Reprezz wrote: »

No, I wouldnt, I would actually prefer less. In this case it will make players focus more on a particular Guild.

This is what happens when you can only sell items through a guild kiosk....

If you have characters in every faction you have the following:
AD Trade Guild
EP Trade Guild
DC Trade Guild
PVP Guild
Fun Guild

That is your 5 right there as an example. In the end trade guilds should not even exist and they should be Trade Companies instead that a Guild can start up and then people join as "employees"/"explorers". Here is a real life example from 300+ years ago:
You work for the East India Trading Company
You are apart of the "guild" of the Free Masons

PS - Trade company employment should be per character and you should only be able to join 1

JacksonCarter13 · June 2015

Yea I think there should be a third option. Where is the one guild system. I mean I was once in a guild in an mmo with 8 different sections and 8 different leaders but one huge guild that worked together... It's a bummer we can't do that anymore because cyrodiil would be much more competitive

Gidorick · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

Everyone should have:
5 shared guilds per account
1 individual guild per character

Crown Store should have
+1 shared guild slot - 1000 Crowns (5 purchasable per account)

ESO+ should have:
+2 shared guild slots
+1 individual guild slot

jkemmery · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

Akavir_Sentinel · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

If Zenimax would simply implement a regional trader kiosk, you wouldn't have to join 50 guilds.....

LrdRahvin · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

For those of us anti-social mmo players who genuinely hate people even one guild is too many

UrQuan · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The more guilds a player is a member of, the less likely that player is to actually be an active member of any given guild. That's why having a large number of guilds is bad - it leads to more indifferent guild members, and that makes each guild worse. Active guild members are what makes a guild good.

Heromofo · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

Gidorick wrote: »

Everyone should have:
5 shared guilds per account
1 individual guild per character

Crown Store should have
+1 shared guild slot - 1000 Crowns (5 purchasable per account)

ESO+ should have:
+2 shared guild slots
+1 individual guild slot

This above all

LrdRahvin · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

UrQuan wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The more guilds a player is a member of, the less likely that player is to actually be an active member of any given guild. That's why having a large number of guilds is bad - it leads to more indifferent guild members, and that makes each guild worse. Active guild members are what makes a guild good.

Indifference is meh...

Scorn and contempt, on the other hand, those I can work with

jkemmery · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

UrQuan wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The more guilds a player is a member of, the less likely that player is to actually be an active member of any given guild. That's why having a large number of guilds is bad - it leads to more indifferent guild members, and that makes each guild worse. Active guild members are what makes a guild good.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I never interact with the other players in the trade guilds I belong to. I find that belonging to more PVP guilds makes me a far, far better member of each guild than if I belonged to that one exclusively. I understand where your logic is coming from, but in my experience it's counter intuitive.

jkemmery · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

And then there's this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/136080/finding-the-guild-stores-is-annoying#latest

Being a member of several trade guilds takes care of this.

Reprezz · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

In my opinion, if we were to join more guilds then that would really water down the potential of a Guild. If you were in 25 Guilds then there will always be 24 Guilds that you are not interacting and participating with. That's all I'm saying. For me, I'm against it and again that's just my opinion. If they do add the feature then I won't cry about it or anything. No matter what happens there will always be happy players and disappointed players. #life

Merkabeh · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

UrQuan wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The more guilds a player is a member of, the less likely that player is to actually be an active member of any given guild. That's why having a large number of guilds is bad - it leads to more indifferent guild members, and that makes each guild worse. Active guild members are what makes a guild good.

If people are just looking for more trade guilds; then this is irrelevant. Trade guilds are not about playing with each other, being great members to each other; they are about finding a market to peddle wares.

I agree with you on the concept of social guild, but since there is no differentiation between social guild and trade guild in this game, I have to assume most players are smart enough to limit their social guilds to what they can handle and just get involved in a lot of trade guilds.

Personally, I like the idea @gidorick suggested, so we can have thematic social guilds (by character) and still leverage trade guilds.

MissBizz · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

jkemmery wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The more guilds a player is a member of, the less likely that player is to actually be an active member of any given guild. That's why having a large number of guilds is bad - it leads to more indifferent guild members, and that makes each guild worse. Active guild members are what makes a guild good.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I never interact with the other players in the trade guilds I belong to. I find that belonging to more PVP guilds makes me a far, far better member of each guild than if I belonged to that one exclusively. I understand where your logic is coming from, but in my experience it's counter intuitive.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't socialize with my trade guilds at all. I have guilds I do socialize with and on top of that trade guilds (which take up guild slots). I guess we look for different things in guilds - for me it's either trade - or guilds to socialize with and get to know. I do not PvP so I guess I don't understand why you would need so many PvP guilds and how that would help.

MissBizz · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The question asked was "Would you like the option of joining more than 5 guilds?" And my answer is no, for me. The question isn't asking me what I think other people like.

UrQuan · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

jkemmery wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The more guilds a player is a member of, the less likely that player is to actually be an active member of any given guild. That's why having a large number of guilds is bad - it leads to more indifferent guild members, and that makes each guild worse. Active guild members are what makes a guild good.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I never interact with the other players in the trade guilds I belong to. I find that belonging to more PVP guilds makes me a far, far better member of each guild than if I belonged to that one exclusively. I understand where your logic is coming from, but in my experience it's counter intuitive.

I'm not really talking about trade guilds when i say that... They're kind of a different animal.

To a certain extent, though, the same thing applies, in that if you're not selling enough stuff to pretty much constantly have a lot of listings in each trade guild, then you're making those trade guilds worse. Trade guilds need their members to be active too, it's just a different type of active.

MissBizz · June 2015

No. 5 guilds per account is fine.

lsneakl wrote: »

Reprezz wrote: »

No, I wouldnt, I would actually prefer less. In this case it will make players focus more on a particular Guild.

This is what happens when you can only sell items through a guild kiosk....

If you have characters in every faction you have the following:
AD Trade Guild
EP Trade Guild
DC Trade Guild
PVP Guild
Fun Guild

That is your 5 right there as an example. In the end trade guilds should not even exist and they should be Trade Companies instead that a Guild can start up and then people join as "employees"/"explorers". Here is a real life example from 300+ years ago:
You work for the East India Trading Company
You are apart of the "guild" of the Free Masons

PS - Trade company employment should be per character and you should only be able to join 1

Why do you need a trade guild for each faction? You do know that a veteran character (that has completed silver) can visit ANY trader.. hired by ANY faction right? My EP can easily visit the trader that an AD guild has..

jkemmery · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

MissBizz wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The more guilds a player is a member of, the less likely that player is to actually be an active member of any given guild. That's why having a large number of guilds is bad - it leads to more indifferent guild members, and that makes each guild worse. Active guild members are what makes a guild good.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I never interact with the other players in the trade guilds I belong to. I find that belonging to more PVP guilds makes me a far, far better member of each guild than if I belonged to that one exclusively. I understand where your logic is coming from, but in my experience it's counter intuitive.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't socialize with my trade guilds at all. I have guilds I do socialize with and on top of that trade guilds (which take up guild slots). I guess we look for different things in guilds - for me it's either trade - or guilds to socialize with and get to know. I do not PvP so I guess I don't understand why you would need so many PvP guilds and how that would help.

Because different guilds have different tactics, battle styles and communication styles. Learning the different styles and taking the best of each, and molding the guilds to try to follow the most effective tactics makes not only me a better member of the guild, but also improves the guilds I belong to overall. Once you leave a Pvp guild, you are almost never welcomed back, due to them thinking you are a spy of some sort. Which happens far more often than you would believe.

jkemmery · June 2015

Yes. I would like to be able to join more than 5 guilds (please explain below)

UrQuan wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@Reprezz, @MissBizz,

Your preference is to not belong to many guilds, but would you oppose the option for those of us who do?

The more guilds a player is a member of, the less likely that player is to actually be an active member of any given guild. That's why having a large number of guilds is bad - it leads to more indifferent guild members, and that makes each guild worse. Active guild members are what makes a guild good.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I never interact with the other players in the trade guilds I belong to. I find that belonging to more PVP guilds makes me a far, far better member of each guild than if I belonged to that one exclusively. I understand where your logic is coming from, but in my experience it's counter intuitive.

I'm not really talking about trade guilds when i say that... They're kind of a different animal.

To a certain extent, though, the same thing applies, in that if you're not selling enough stuff to pretty much constantly have a lot of listings in each trade guild, then you're making those trade guilds worse. Trade guilds need their members to be active too, it's just a different type of active.

I literally vendor thousands of gold worth of things every day I can't sell in my trade guilds because I have all my slots maxed.

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