Would you pay a 5% listing fee to use a global auction house?

UrQuan · June 2015

No

I can see some sense in both the arguments for a global auction house and the arguments against a global auction house. Personally, though, I wouldn't pay a 5% listing fee to use a global auction house if one existed. I barely sell anything as it is, and I don't particularly care to be some master merchant making gold off the economy. The only things I consistently sell are recipes that I don't need, and I sell them really cheaply.

Thelon · June 2015

Dead horse is dead

k2blader · June 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

I can see some sense in both the arguments for a global auction house and the arguments against a global auction house. Personally, though, I wouldn't pay a 5% listing fee to use a global auction house if one existed. I barely sell anything as it is, and I don't particularly care to be some master merchant making gold off the economy. The only things I consistently sell are recipes that I don't need, and I sell them really cheaply.

Is that because you can already craft most anything you want/need?

One of the few reasons I look to buy at guild traders is because I can't craft it (yet) myself. Barring that, I'd only be looking to buy PvE-obtainable-only items.

I'd be more active in the economy if the system were more easily accessible.

UrQuan · June 2015

No

k2blader wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I can see some sense in both the arguments for a global auction house and the arguments against a global auction house. Personally, though, I wouldn't pay a 5% listing fee to use a global auction house if one existed. I barely sell anything as it is, and I don't particularly care to be some master merchant making gold off the economy. The only things I consistently sell are recipes that I don't need, and I sell them really cheaply.

Is that because you can already craft most anything you want/need?

One of the few reasons I look to buy at guild traders is because I can't craft it (yet) myself. Barring that, I'd only be looking to buy PvE-obtainable-only items.

I'd be more active in the economy if the system were more easily accessible.

That's probably part of it. I still buy some stuff from guild traders - especially gear that's part of a dropped set (ie. one that can't be crafted), but I have no real interest in trying to make gold by selling to other players. It sounds way too much like a job to me.

Tandor · June 2015

Yes

I'd settle for any trading system rather than the present one (but not that stupid horse idea

). I'd pay a high listing fee because that way at least I'd be able to sell stuff which I can't do at present as I'm not willing to join in all the trading guild shenanigans.

lazybonez · June 2015

No

I'm actually really starting to like the guild store system currently in use. Granted, I've only been playing since the console release. At first, I was like "This is stupid. Why can't there just be a faction-wide auction house?". Now that I've joined a handful of trade guilds with good vendors i'm beginning to appreciate it.

I was really big into the WoW auction house back into the day, and the biggest issue was that it was so easily manipulated. I did it as well.

The way it's set up in ESO, there is no way to crash the market. You can get better prices on certain items depending on location. It's a free market. The only bad thing about it is that it is hard to find a good price to sell your goods at, when starting out. Now that I have more guild store options and have been looking at market trends, it's much easier and I love the system.

I made almost 50,000 in about a week as a level 15 by just gathering and selling everything I could in my limited free time. It was enough to get myself mount, cover the difference for my husband to get one, and a lot to spare.

k2blader · June 2015

lazybonez wrote: »

I'm actually really starting to like the guild store system currently in use. Granted, I've only been playing since the console release. At first, I was like "This is stupid. Why can't there just be a faction-wide auction house?". Now that I've joined a handful of trade guilds with good vendors i'm beginning to appreciate it.

I was really big into the WoW auction house back into the day, and the biggest issue was that it was so easily manipulated. I did it as well.

The way it's set up in ESO, there is no way to crash the market. You can get better prices on certain items depending on location. It's a free market. The only bad thing about it is that it is hard to find a good price to sell your goods at, when starting out. Now that I have more guild store options and have been looking at market trends, it's much easier and I love the system.

I made almost 50,000 in about a week as a level 15 by just gathering and selling everything I could in my limited free time. It was enough to get myself mount, cover the difference for my husband to get one, and a lot to spare.

I'm glad for you, but how many trade guilds are you in? I mean, I guess this game's system is good for people who want to be in trade guilds, but what about people who don't.

Tandor · June 2015

Yes

k2blader wrote: »

lazybonez wrote: »

I'm actually really starting to like the guild store system currently in use. Granted, I've only been playing since the console release. At first, I was like "This is stupid. Why can't there just be a faction-wide auction house?". Now that I've joined a handful of trade guilds with good vendors i'm beginning to appreciate it.

I was really big into the WoW auction house back into the day, and the biggest issue was that it was so easily manipulated. I did it as well.

The way it's set up in ESO, there is no way to crash the market. You can get better prices on certain items depending on location. It's a free market. The only bad thing about it is that it is hard to find a good price to sell your goods at, when starting out. Now that I have more guild store options and have been looking at market trends, it's much easier and I love the system.

I made almost 50,000 in about a week as a level 15 by just gathering and selling everything I could in my limited free time. It was enough to get myself mount, cover the difference for my husband to get one, and a lot to spare.

I'm glad for you, but how many trade guilds are you in? I mean, I guess this game's system is good for people who want to be in trade guilds, but what about people who don't.

It's only good for those in trade guilds as long as those guilds are winning kiosk auctions, and doing so at a price their members are willing and able to pay. It won't be long on the console servers before the top guilds emerge and price everyone else out of the system. People liked the guild kiosk system on the PC servers initially, but are now gradually becoming a lot more critical of it as they become increasingly priced out of it and also have to spend increasing amounts of time and effort trying to stay afloat.

k2blader · June 2015

Tandor wrote: »

It's only good for those in trade guilds as long as those guilds are winning kiosk auctions, and doing so at a price their members are willing and able to pay. It won't be long on the console servers before the top guilds emerge and price everyone else out of the system. People liked the guild kiosk system on the PC servers initially, but are now gradually becoming a lot more critical of it as they become increasingly priced out of it and also have to spend increasing amounts of time and effort trying to stay afloat.

Hmm.. that's interesting. I can see the hardcore trading guild people are quite pro status quo, probably because they have the most to lose from any "adjustments." It makes me think of RL corporate conglomerate issues. I'm more than open to a system that's not a "global auction house," but there should be corrections to the current system so greater benefit, and therefore fun, can be enjoyed by all.

drschplatt · June 2015

Yes

A global AH would be great for players and the economy, but it's been said over and over again that it won't happen. The current system is an inefficient waste of time that uses regulation and artificial price controls to keep things unbalanced. There simply needs to be an open, global AH that allows the principles of economics to operate freely.

Akavir_Sentinel · June 2015

Yes

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

A global auction house will never happen even though the vast majority of players want it.

Just because players ask for something they "think" will be a good thing, doesn't mean it will turn out that way. If everything you find and can sell (or make and can sell) is reduced to the pricing of vendor trash, no one will win. With the current system at least within the confines of vendor stores you have the opportunity to make money off loot and crafted items. Open it up to the lowest prices across the entire mega server and you're making next to nothing.

A global auction house would be no different than selling in zone. I only sell in zone chat, and I'm always cheaper than any guild vendor. Every 100k that I sell in zone is another 100k that a guild trader didn't make.

Xjcon · June 2015

All a game wide AH would do is make it easier for those people who work the AH to find and resell wares for higher prices.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

No

k2blader wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

This game doesnt need a global auction house or a auction house period. Stores are fine. There are kiosks you dont even have to join a guild to shop.

Could you please direct me to a kiosk that consistently sells all varieties of green, blue, purple and gold vet-level glyphs at reasonable/fair prices? Price is a consideration, but more important is the ability to find the types I am looking for.

I dont know what server or what faction you are in. Also reasonable is subjective. What might be reasonable to you might not be reasonable to others. Maybe you should think about leveling a crafter if you think things cost too much.

anitajoneb17_ESO · June 2015

No

No. No. No. No. No.

But I fancy the auction horse concept though.

akhanvict · June 2015

Yes

Would be so cool if you had a store in a city where it's just full of stores from real people and you go shopping. Make it cost like 500 crown for a 30 day store rental or something.

Zorrashi · June 2015

No

drschplatt wrote: »

A global AH would be great for players and the economy, but it's been said over and over again that it won't happen. The current system is an inefficient waste of time that uses regulation and artificial price controls to keep things unbalanced. There simply needs to be an open, global AH that allows the principles of economics to operate freely.

Regulation and artificial price controls? The only price controls I have seen are those based on location and player traffic, and any formal mode of regulation/price control is all but limited to certain guilds that make regulation mandatory. Every player and every guild can price items differently without question.
In global AHs, price is usually well-set due to the supply saturation in a singular sector, and variation in those prices (or at least higher prices), while possible, is the equivalent of failure for the seller. It is far from formal, but AHs puts more regulation on price than what this system does. Oftentimes to the detriment of the game if the system is not handled properly.

drschplatt wrote: »

There simply needs to be an open, global AH that allows the principles of economics to operate freely.

The principles of economics still work in any player economic system (AH or not). There is demand, supply and everything in-between. Just because the supply of goods is not in a centralized market does not mean that they don't operate. Economic principles do not work better or worse depending on the system, they just simply 'are'--they are almost like theorems in mathematics or sciences in that they describe the reasoning behind behavior.

That being said, it seems to me (and I am by no means an expert) that global AHs tend to suffer from oversaturation in their own market. Every single player is competing against everyone else in this singular market and their collected goods can only be deposited on that same market. Buyers always want the cheapest, so they buy the cheapest. Higher priced items simply will not sell. So sellers undercut. Buyers buy the cheapest. Sellers undercut again and so on. With things like item decay and scarcity usually nonexistent in MMOs, there are close to no natural methods (outside of player supply/demand) to alter the value of the game's currency or the value of in-game items. Left to their own devices, extreme surplus usually occurs for most items and their selling price drops dramatically as the result.
The common player will likely have to harvest/collect hundreds upon hundreds of resources to make any profit once so ever. There is simply no other avenue to make profit other wise. Unless of course you are an endgame raider, one who likely sells endgame gear and weapons for a prime price because their supply is culled by the difficulty and level barriers to the content in which it is collected.

nimander99 · June 2015

I would pay a 5% fee to stop seeing posts like this... ZoS has stated emphatically that we wont see global auction horses, so it's time to move on guys.

dafox187 · June 2015

No

they already said there's never going to be a auction house stop begging

UrQuan · June 2015

No

nimander99 wrote: »

I would pay a 5% fee to stop seeing posts like this... ZoS has stated emphatically that we wont see global auction horses, so it's time to move on guys.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... When did ZOS come out and say that they were opposed to @Gidorick 's auction horse idea?

Reverb · June 2015

Maybe. See reasons below.

I would pay actual money to improve on the blind-bid guild kiosk we have now.

Gidorick · June 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I would pay a 5% fee to stop seeing posts like this... ZoS has stated emphatically that we wont see global auction horses, so it's time to move on guys.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... When did ZOS come out and say that they were opposed to @Gidorick 's auction horse idea?

IMPOSSIBLE! Everyone loves the Auction Horse! He's out there somewhere. I just know it.

UPrime · June 2015

No

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

A global auction house will never happen even though the vast majority of players want it.

Hmm, looking at the pole numbers it looks like the vast majority claim is very false. If anything, the majority do NOT want it.

Reverb · June 2015

Maybe. See reasons below.

UPrime wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

A global auction house will never happen even though the vast majority of players want it.

Hmm, looking at the pole numbers it looks like the vast majority claim is very false. If anything, the majority do NOT want it.

This poll is no indicator, it doesn't ask if people *want* an AH, it asks if people are willing to pay a 5% listing fee.

Fartman · June 2015

i want to see player housing with their own vendors inside of their homes if they choose to just like Ultima Online had some 17 years ago. This game is VANILLA to the extreme. If you've never played a game that has player vendors, it works amazingly well and sets up player economy's where things have set prices depending on locations of the vendors. You can sometimes find good deals... I would also like to see a risk to to dying as well. There's no passion in this game or emotion really.

k2blader wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

I don't want to see global a global auction house. I want to see individual player owned vendors and shops in instanced areas. It's my opinion that global auction houses are bad for the game. I'll leave it at that, as I have discussed in past forum posts how mega server global auction houses reduces everything to vendor trash, unless they have the rarity to be something most players never see.

Not sure about the instanced areas (?) but that's an interesting idea. If I had access to an individually owned shop that consistently had stuff I wanted at good prices, I'd like that. Personally, my problem right now is I run around from guild trader to guild trader and it's difficult to find what I want-- and assuming I can, the price is often unreasonable.

MisterBigglesworth · June 2015

Yes

I don't really care about the economy, so sure, why not.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · June 2015

No

This one likes the Auction Horse idea...

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2015

No

No,I like the system.Also for many trade guild owners,managing the trade guild is a gameplay on its own,It gives enjoyment to them.Also I enjoy the activities they do to get money for the kiosk auction like raffles and item auctions.My favorite? 60 day time card raffle!!!!

Fartman · June 2015

k... well have you ever experienced a player run vendor? I can't believe people just shut down ideas on these boards with very little explination other than "no". Individual vendors are fantastic when done right. Inside player homes in cities... This game if set up differently would've been so great.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

No,I like the system.Also for many trade guild owners,managing the trade guild is a gameplay on its own,It gives enjoyment to them.Also I enjoy the activities they do to get money for the kiosk auction like raffles and item auctions.My favorite? 60 day time card raffle!!!!

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · June 2015

No

Fartman wrote: »

k... well have you ever experienced a player run vendor? I can't believe people just shut down ideas on these boards with very little explination other than "no". Individual vendors are fantastic when done right. Inside player homes in cities... This game if set up differently would've been so great.

Yeah,SW:Galaxies.I liked it and I like this one too.So? /shrug

You know,you can still play UO,just saying.

UrQuan · June 2015

No

Reverb wrote: »

UPrime wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

A global auction house will never happen even though the vast majority of players want it.

Hmm, looking at the pole numbers it looks like the vast majority claim is very false. If anything, the majority do NOT want it.

This poll is no indicator, it doesn't ask if people *want* an AH, it asks if people are willing to pay a 5% listing fee.

That's true, and I know that I, for one, answered it on that basis. I don't overly care if there is or isn't a global auction house. I just know that if there was one I wouldn't be willing to pay a 5% listing fee.