5 Things destroying PVP

Snit · June 2015

I wish people didn't judge class balance solely by, "How does my character perform in 1vX?" Most of the AP is earned in Group vs Group.

eventide03b14a_ESO · June 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

JonzzLonewolf wrote: »

Light armour is a thing of the past..

Welcome to heavy armour gaming.

Depends if you want the undaunted passives and magicka boosts from Light and MEdium
Love my Templar and trying a new MAgicka build tonight

Undaunted passives FTW. I use 5 piece light, 1 heavy, and 1 medium.

eventide03b14a_ESO · June 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

The worst thing about NB is fear, and if you aren't a total potato it's not that bad. The outrageous damage is largely thanks to out of stealth damage, and not just limited to NB. I question how powerful fear truly is, as i play my NB without fear fighting other NB that use it.

You've never seen Blaba in PvP if you think Templar is weak.

I agree. Fear is rarely a huge factor unless it's one of those very few times where it seems to be unbreakable. Most of the time though it doesn't seem to do much if I just break free right away. More importantly it's really the only CC that NBs have and it only effects 2 targets. Plus it does 0 damage unlike other classes CC. I think the overall the effectiveness of fear is overrated.

God_flakes · June 2015

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

The worst thing about NB is fear, and if you aren't a total potato it's not that bad. The outrageous damage is largely thanks to out of stealth damage, and not just limited to NB. I question how powerful fear truly is, as i play my NB without fear fighting other NB that use it.

You've never seen Blaba in PvP if you think Templar is weak.

I agree. Fear is rarely a huge factor unless it's one of those very few times where it seems to be unbreakable. Most of the time though it doesn't seem to do much if I just break free right away. More importantly it's really the only CC that NBs have and it only effects 2 targets. Plus it does 0 damage unlike other classes CC. I think the overall the effectiveness of fear is overrated.

This. Thanks for elaborating for me. But be careful..Etaniel will now come along and laugh hysterically like a buffoon at you, too. NB's are IMO the hardest class to play. But hey it's JMO.

Ifthir_ESO · June 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

NB fear is their only real defense. NB have no shield except cloak and with everyone chugging detect pots, cloak is useless anymore. Leave NB's alone. We are difficult enough to play both for survivablity and damage dealing.

Funny how Mirage never comes up.

20% dodge (we'll ignore that it also boosts ar mor) is almost like average of 20% damage mitigation. Sounds remarkably like what a shield does to me.

or the medium armor active available to all users?

Preyfar · June 2015

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

or the medium armor active available to all users?

There's also a player-crafted set that offers 20% dodge chance when casting a magicka ability, too. Not just for Nightblades OR medium armor wearers.

Septimus_Magna · June 2015

Preyfar wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

or the medium armor active available to all users?

There's also a player-crafted set that offers 20% dodge chance when casting a magicka ability, too. Not just for Nightblades OR medium armor wearers.

You're referring to the Spectre Eye crafted set, if you use the 5-set on a magicka build you only have 2 valuable bonuses (3-max magicka and 5-dodge chance). Also there is a cool down on the dodge effect so effectively its only a 10% dodge chance while casting spells.

olsborg · June 2015

I agree with 99% of what the OP wrote. Nirnhoned mostly, its ruining the game for me and most ppls that use magicka to deal dmg.

Gol Barr · June 2015

are these 5 THINGS DESTROYING PVP? or do you BELIEVE these things are destroying PVP?

Gol Barr · June 2015

the word I is conversional because it describes one person... and in internet terms it describes 20 people if not more...

CatchMeTrolling · June 2015

Templar's aren't weak, depends on your build. I have a healing / damage build and paired with a group of players that know what they're doing we can destroy anything even if we're out numbered.

Anyways blood for the pact. Join me in the Thornblade server, top 3 Templar and top 5 for emp.

Aquanova · June 2015

OP, you forgot to include #6. Elitist Guilds!

Vis · June 2015

Or try the most obvious reason: OVER A YEAR WITH NO NEW PVP CONTENT.

Stories-Bones-Tell · June 2015

Vatter wrote: »

1. Lag. (its not our computers. its not our service providers. Its you. But then everyone has known that since launch.)

2. Fear. (The cc break is WAY to slow and most times I can't even break it even with a full bar of stamina.)

3. Nirnhoned. (My magicka templar is hitting like a vegetarian with 2.2k spell damage. Its more like tickling other players.)

4. Physical damage and how its mitigated. (light armor is garbage but you HAVE to use it for magicka anything. meanwhile medium armor users are enjoying infinite dodge rolling, massive reductions for both skills and feats, and getting weapon damage to 3k+. Did I mention stacking nirnhoned to get the full 50% reduction from magicka? Light armor has no such passive for physical damage.)

5. Purge. (Spammed to death by every. single. zerg. Making them invincible. The cost of this skill should be dramatically increased.

On a side note.....
I would like to add that Templars are the absolute WORST in pvp. I can't even begin to tell you how god awful they really are. skills are so clunky and all over the place its maddening.

1. We have no escape.
2. Healing animation is WAY to slow.
3. Puncturing sweep and Radial sweep completely miss 50% of the time.
4. Our resource management is laughable compared to other classes.
5. you nerfed restoring spirit.
6. you nerfed blazing shield.
7. Your nerfed restoring aura.
8. You nerfed our healing.
9. sun fire and solar flare are so SLOW you can see them coming a mile away. Why do solar flare and spear shards have high arc paths? Its like we are trying to attack the sky only to fail over and over. are we the short bus riders of tamriel?
11. You gave other players a full CC immunity for a .5 sec knock back.
12. Dragonknights get self placed reflects while we have one thats cc breakable.
13. focused charge has a ridiculous GCD.

The class shouldn't be called Templar. It should be called Clowns.

So you want all classes to be homogenized down to doing the same thing with different animations?

Cogo · June 2015

How come there are no post about, "Hmm, how to break enemy armies"

Yes, life isn't fair. But if Purge is so annoying for you, then adapt and overcome it. There is a way to kill anything as well as there always is a way to defend yourself.

War in Cyrodiil isnt static. Players who use the same tactics/skills all the time simply can not counter everything.

I have seen groups of 10, bomb/wipe out enemies of 40. In my alliance the pact as well as yellows and blue. You do not need gear to do it btw. Teamwork.....

Use your "pvp skills!" ;-) (Your own playing skills. Not game ones)

Mr_Nobody · June 2015

Idk, templars are the weakest class in everything besides healing. That being said, i get alot of PMs from randoms in game QQing how OP my magicka templar is. Not sure if all these nightblades are trolling, really stupid or bad.

Raizin · June 2015

Vis wrote: »

Or try the most obvious reason: OVER A YEAR WITH NO NEW PVP CONTENT.

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AydzPredatorofEP · June 2015

everytime i see these posts.... this is how i feel

Vatter · June 2015

I would like to address some of these responses....

@ f7sus4
@BuggeX

I can tell you don't play a templar. at all. I have heard this many many many times that templars "have radiant destruction so they are just fine..." thats simply not true. RD is a magicka based execute. My RD does 12k damage OVER 3 SECS. Thats 4k damage per sec BUT with nirnhoned gear my magic damage is reduced by 50% which means i'm hitting for a MASSIVE 2k damage a sec. I bet your melee weapon does that much damage with a single light attack.
So please stop saying RD is OP. It's not.

@Johngo0036
@psufan5

I know that NB's are trying desperately to keep fear from being nerfed. I mean Desperately. Its almost an I win button. I bet you two spam it to death. Simple fact is, the animation and bugginess of the skill is OP. the animation takes way to long to break IF you even get to break it. I bet if temps had a CC that was a guaranteed 2 - 3 secs stun no matter if you broke out of it immediately or not you would flee to the forums to complain. Also, I think its funny out of the entire post you picked out ONLY the fear portion. But i guess you have to keep trying to downplay it as much as you can.

@Skiserony

I really enjoyed your post. I haven't laughed that hard for a while. Please see paragraph 1 from above for info on RD. You obviously play a NB as your main as well. See paragraph 2 from above.

@manny254

Nice video. I noticed something though. Your in heavy armor with nirn gear (50k+ spell resist) going against magicka casters.
I bet their damage was not exceeding 3k a hit. If those were melee players you would of been nuked.

@Xsorus

Nope. never said that once. try reading the post again. maybe a couple times. then come on back.

@Stories-Bones-Tell

Nope. I would just like to be on par with other classes. You've never played a templar either I can see. get one to v14 then pvp then tell me they don't need major changes.

@Cogo

use pvp skills huh? Lets be honest, The pvp skills don't kill zergs. The ONLY thing that can really kills zergs is siege weaponry (or another zerg). but ALL SIEGE WEAPONRY IS PURGABLE. Thats the problem.

Earendal · June 2015

Hey Doc! Being a Templar, I agree with some of your suggestions. However, I find that most of the ideas related to purge being thrown around by you, and many others, are a bit lacking in their foresight. When making suggestions on "fixes" to PvP, I would suggest that people ask at least two very important questions. One, is the solution equally exploitable by the people it's targeted at. Two, is the solution to my suggestion simply adding more people. I find that in most ideas involving purge, the answer to both of those questions is yes. In hindsight, I believe that the buff to siege damage, which was intended to fix zergs, has only made them stronger.

F7sus4 · June 2015

leeux wrote: »

Most times I had problems breaking it, was because I was being Critical Charged/Invasioned and then WBed/Taloned at the same time. (...) Most big groups know this, and that's why they have people dedicated to charging you in sequence and applying Talons, while others use Fear (or other disabling effects...), while others start with the WB spam...

And what would you actually expect to happen instead?

Winning 1v5 situation by faceroll blind-spamming one button?

Khyras · June 2015

6. Ineptitude and uncaring attitude of developers and their bosses.

The most significant reason.

manny254 · June 2015

Vatter wrote: »

I would like to address some of these responses....

@manny254

Nice video. I noticed something though. Your in heavy armor with nirn gear (50k+ spell resist) going against magicka casters.
I bet their damage was not exceeding 3k a hit. If those were melee players you would of been nuked.

Uh lol no I was wearing 5 medium and 2 heavy+ a shield with 20k resist. If you want to see how hard they where hitting pause the video and look (and don't use the numbers of the poor guys under 50 that ran into it). Trust me there are not a lot of people that can beat me in melee.

Stikato · June 2015

1. ZOS ignoring Cyrodiil
2. Hackers, explotiers, "creative game mechanics", "glitching into keeps" etc
3. Rage tells. I get that some of you like it, but I'm guessing the rest of us don't take this game as seriously as you. Receiving them makes game less fun, and more about weird internet people, and their social "skills"
4. Removal of softcaps
5. Lack of anything to do in PvP other than take keeps and gank

dsalter · June 2015

Champion points are up there in the top 5 tbh. they cause stats imbalance. encourage people to go mob grinding and just leave a sour taste in your mouth.

JDar · June 2015

Skiserony wrote: »

Okey, another one. First of all, know that a Templar is not a DK nor a NB nor a Sorc, stop comparing a class with other because they have this or that. It's called diversity and that's the point of classes. NB's got Fear (which shouldn't be changed), DK's got Reflect (which got nerfed) but Templars have BoL and Radiant Oppression.

Well about the armor mitigation being so bad on light armor is pretty obvious, you're wearing pieces of cloth. It has to be like that or light armor would be op as it was pre 1.6. At least medium and heavy armor got viable now, that's a good thing.

And from what you tell about Templar, I really don't think the Templar is the issue here. They make really good builds in PvP.

You know that every class has had some nerfs here and there right? That nerfs actually have a reason?

exactly. What is the point if every class can do the exact same thing? Templar is a healer class and should not have the fancy attack moves that nightblades have

Soris · June 2015

JDar wrote: »

Skiserony wrote: »

Okey, another one. First of all, know that a Templar is not a DK nor a NB nor a Sorc, stop comparing a class with other because they have this or that. It's called diversity and that's the point of classes. NB's got Fear (which shouldn't be changed), DK's got Reflect (which got nerfed) but Templars have BoL and Radiant Oppression.

Well about the armor mitigation being so bad on light armor is pretty obvious, you're wearing pieces of cloth. It has to be like that or light armor would be op as it was pre 1.6. At least medium and heavy armor got viable now, that's a good thing.

And from what you tell about Templar, I really don't think the Templar is the issue here. They make really good builds in PvP.

You know that every class has had some nerfs here and there right? That nerfs actually have a reason?

exactly. What is the point if every class can do the exact same thing? Templar is a healer class and should not have the fancy attack moves that nightblades have

Wut? Everyone can heal as good as templars if not better. And in 1.6 they nerfed templar healing quite alot. Haven't you even heard Nb healers and Sap Tanks?
You're just talking shiet sir.

Johngo0036 · June 2015

@Vatter - Its is a skill I hate to use but have been forced to use it, and am loving it..

You see the problem is,
Templars spam - Jesus Beams and thats ok,
DK spam - Flame Lash which he knows is bugged and thats OK,
Sorcs spam shields and bolt escape - thats ok,

all of those are also I WIN buttons,

Yet you all have an issue with NB fear....

Doesn't add up really

Iyas · June 2015

5 things destroying pvp:

1. lag
2. lag
3. lag
4. lag
5. lag

bosmern_ESO · June 2015

I 100% agree with you, and I really wish that Templars would get a class re-work, we need it the most over any other class.

I enjoy healing my groups, but when I want to play solo and enjoy being my Templar I have to go stamina (which requires re-doing all my morphs and Champion points which is a real hassle)

I really hope ZoS could tell us if they have any future plans for Templars only reason why anyone would want to group up with them is for heals, and Templars aren't good healers because their abilities, they're good healers because their passives in restoring Light.