I think you've joined the ranks of people that feel like Veteran Rank "content" was a half-assed idea that should have never been implemented.

Welcome.

Knaxia wrote: »

Just think how unfair it would end up being. Think about all those people starting to play and having a bunch of VR1 go around and kill everything. Not only that but the XP gain and difficulty would be ridiculous.

And about being level down to level 1 would also be dumb, all the work to get skills and levels up to end up restarting over like an alt?

Also would break immersion. Hey look, I'm from the Pact but I'm going to save your King and help your whole alliance that we're supposed to be fightning to win Cyrodiil.

They're the enemy alliances anyway, it's basically just a "virtual reality" created by Meridia, it's just experiencing the other alliances without really being in there or affecting the timeline.

This "VR" idea has always ruined game storyline for me. It's why I never got into assassin's creed, and when I did attempt to play black flag because it was pirates of the carribean with stupid hoods and parquor, I kept getting reminded that it was "all a simulation" every time I had to walk around that office or I didn't follow someone perfectly.

The point is that content based around the "simulation" gimmick is garbage. Simply state that I'm going to an alternate universe or something. Hell, let me keep my skills at their current ranks, make me level 1, but put some kind of symbol by my name to show that this is my second playthrough that will give me access to armor and weapons at the level I was at prior to the "new game +". A person could get a silver star for doing it once and a gold for doing it twice and completing both factions. This would take down the manufactured wall that will forever prevent certain players from playing with others due to starting faction, and the original loyalty would only be represented, then, in campaigns.

Sure, then, the game would be easier on subsequent playthrough, but then again that's part of the reward for having struggled the first time. Additionally, the player would have to decide, at, say, lvl 45, the earliest you could complete a faction and move to another, whether he would want to continue gaining levels / veteran ranks in that playthrough, or take the hit back to lvl 1, just keeping skill levels and armor / weapons access, but knowing it would be that much longer before he was back up to his old level and able to move beyond it.

Idk. To me this would allow more people to play together from various starting factions and playthrough, rather than always being with "the same old crowd," as well as adding more depth and choice to endgame.

You could roll an alt in the other factions if you want to play it at their level, you know?

As others have pointed out, even if you had access to the same instance as the other players, you would still be way overleveled and that would make the quests really boring (and you'd never get any XP).

I'm not sure how you envisioned that would work. Would you care to explain?

If the last two faction zones weren't mandatory, then It'd be fine. When I initially hit level 50 back during launch, I thought it was just an optional way of getting VR ranks. Boy was I wrong

shinyspoonb14_ESO wrote: »

If the last two faction zones weren't mandatory, then It'd be fine. When I initially hit level 50 back during launch, I thought it was just an optional way of getting VR ranks. Boy was I wrong

What do you mean mandatory? It's 100% possible to level up fully without doing Caldwell's gold or silver. You're missing out one some shards and skill points, and lorebooks, but that's about it. You can still make a completely functional build without setting foot in one of the other factions' zones.

Mastodonials wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

You could roll an alt in the other factions if you want to play it at their level, you know?

As others have pointed out, even if you had access to the same instance as the other players, you would still be way overleveled and that would make the quests really boring (and you'd never get any XP).

I'm not sure how you envisioned that would work. Would you care to explain?

First, I moved much of this to a new thread that's based more on discussing whether eso plus is worth it at Endgame, than the abhorred endgame in general.

Rerolling kills it for me. I made one character, and want to take him to the ends of Tamriel in an epic showcase of one man. Not three separate stories etc.

Lastly, you would simply have new instances placed on the map that scale to levels for those entering veteran ranks. Dungeon type zones that you have to walk into, and are potentially only for veteran rank players, however aren't necessarily in the same boring format as every other dungeon. That, or add the bulk of veteran exp gain to the campaign in cyrodiil.

That's how it is now, though.

I've stayed away from silver and gold because of this. Do you even have to go through the guild quests again?

They could just scale like I've suggested here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/176972/add-the-option-to-scale-characters-down-to-older-zones-please-d

But then ALSO scale XP to your level for those Zones.

Knaxia wrote: »

Also would break immersion. Hey look, I'm from the Pact but I'm going to save your King and help your whole alliance that we're supposed to be fightning to win Cyrodiil.

They're the enemy alliances anyway, it's basically just a "virtual reality" created by Meridia, it's just experiencing the other alliances without really being in there or affecting the timeline.

... which is why when Sir Pot-on-Head offered me that quest, I invited him to pound sand, and then created an alt.

In eso, once you beat the main quest and moved to a new faction, you could start back at lvl 1, but keep your skill levels, abilities, and use armor and weapons up to the level that you attained which would be in parenthesis. Once your acting level in the new faction caught up with your attained level, the parenthesis would go away and you would just start moving forward in total.

This would happen each time you started a new faction. However now, you can play with everyone, the veteran level instance versions of those worlds are gone, and you can receive achievements for each campaign beaten. Once you complete all 3, and catch your acting level back up to your attained level, hit 50 if you haven't, then you'll then start the veteran ranks, and also have access to the entire world. Again, your cyrodiil allegiance would be that of your original faction, but this way you'd get a thousand times more socialization and playtime out of a character before you even began veteran levels.

I bet the Zenimax developers are gonna love this thread... (!)

It's a shame, though. I adore the AD zones and most of my friends prefer starting in EP which I don't personally enjoy as much so we never get to see each other. But it makes sense because the three factions are at war. Perhaps if there was a choice to not side with a faction at character creation? That could be an interesting idea.

Jazzius wrote: »

I bet the Zenimax developers are gonna love this thread... (!)

It's a shame, though. I adore the AD zones and most of my friends prefer starting in EP which I don't personally enjoy as much so we never get to see each other. But it makes sense because the three factions are at war. Perhaps if there was a choice to not side with a faction at character creation? That could be an interesting idea.

the zenimax devolopers couldn't care less these threads have been around for a year.

Mastodonials wrote: »

I guess I just feel cheated. As though I was slapped in the face and told to just "go sit in the Animus" where I can see hollow shells of otherwise vibrant places, alongside the same 4 or 5 people from your faction that happen to be there when you are. It feels like the punishment for reaching a high level in a Souls game- the world becomes empty and devoid of multiplayer life.

In any case, this will certainly be my last month of eso plus. Simply no point to having it if I could care less about veteran levels and cyrodiil. I'll resub when there's actual end game content or REAL cross-faction interaction.

lol

I get what you are saying. My take on it is because they have it set up the way they do, I am gonna play my first character up until I have to go to the new maps during VR phase. Then I am gonna switch to a different faction character and play through a new set of maps then I will repeat it with a third character. We can't change how the game is set up so I would suggest enjoying it in a way that doesn't feel broken and then do your VR ranks after you have seen the other zones. One of the reasons I love that this game went b2p is that I can play it at my own pace without feeling like I need to get a ton done before I want to take a break and let the sub lapse for a few months. IDK what to tell you other than that really. Have to play the game the way they set it up, find a way that appeals to you the most or quit. Not really much else to do besides that.

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I have a seemingly random question that will lead to a later explanation, so simple answers please;
HOw important is it to VR players that they interact with 1-50 players directly?

Very. In that I believe in a level scaling system for maximum social interaction, a larger community, and grouping possibilities. Refer to the aforementioned scaling system I talked about. It isn't so much about a vr player interacting with the lvl 1-50's, as it is having the ability to play alongside more than just 1/3rd of the entire eso player base.

Everyone should check this thread out regarding the subject:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/185967/caldwell-s-redux-concept-to-fix-silver-gold/p1