Accumulated XP Gain Comparison: ESO+ vs Crown Store XP Scrolls

RustedValor · June 2015

Isn't everyone forgetting that the XP potions are craftable in game without spending any crowns?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

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You get free access to any DLC with eso + as well. Hardly a good comparison.

What DLC do we currently have to access? @jamesharv2005ub17_ESO. DLC access doesn't factor in until we get some DLC.

It absolutely does factor in. You just want to compare apples to oranges and say they are both the same thing. IC is coming. Orsinium also by the end of the year.

So why should I be an ESO+ subscriber BEFORE DLC?

You said that paying for 180 days and paying for the crowns everything is equal. That is not true. In 180 days we will have at least two major DLC releases in IC and Orsinium. So while it may have made sense 8 months ago it no longer makes sense. With millions of console customers added to the mix we will see more DLC more frequently now. So again you arent taking the whole picture into account when you made this post.

Hmm.. You're right about that. I concede that point to you @jamesharv2005ub17_ESO. But my point is valid UNTIL some DLC comes out. RIGHT now... if you buy 6 months of ESO+ OR 2 5500 Crown packs, this comparison holds true.

Of course, when that happens I'll be sub hopping and getting to play through IC for $15 so, to me... long-term ESO+ is still a bad deal.

No it doesnt because we know for a fact we have at least two major DLC releases coming in the next 6 months. So paying for ESO+ makes a lot of sense. If a mount is 2000 crowns or more IC will probably be at least 5000 crowns possibly more. If it was only an xp bonus and thats it i would agree with you that they are both about equal. Since you get more than a simple 10% bonus to XP its apples to oranges. You also get 10% more gold from everything. 10% more inspiration. 10% more crafting research gain. Then on top of all that you also get all DLC included in the price.

Ok bud. Keep drinking that coolaid. Since I've been without eso+ I've not "felt" the lack of the 10% bonus.

What you "feel" is irrelevant. The fact is you get alot more for your money than a xp boost.

It's relevant because I'm a customer and I don't feel like the service is worth it.

It is irrelevant to the conversation was the point. The fact is whether you "feel" you get 10% xp or not the fact is you do get 10% xp, gold, inspiration an crafting research with eso +.

Heromofo · June 2015

I really believe ESO + Will eventually be boosted but also when this comes to console whats to stop me from getting eso plus and buying 50 scrolls?.

I could farm alot of cps if this is correct }:)

Gidorick we must push for a better ESO +

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

I really believe ESO + Will eventually be boosted but also when this comes to console whats to stop me from getting eso plus and buying 50 scrolls?.

I could farm alot of cps if this is correct }:)

Nothing would stop you. In fact youd probably get a christmas card from ZOS if you did this every month.

BigM · June 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

I really believe ESO + Will eventually be boosted but also when this comes to console whats to stop me from getting eso plus and buying 50 scrolls?.

I could farm alot of cps if this is correct }:)

Gidorick we must push for a better ESO +

Thought I heard they didn't stack, but I could be wrong.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

BigM wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

I really believe ESO + Will eventually be boosted but also when this comes to console whats to stop me from getting eso plus and buying 50 scrolls?.

I could farm alot of cps if this is correct }:)

Gidorick we must push for a better ESO +

Thought I heard they didn't stack, but I could be wrong.

The scrolls stack with everything. So if you have plus, ring of mara + partner and a scroll thats 70%.

Gidorick · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

I really believe ESO + Will eventually be boosted but also when this comes to console whats to stop me from getting eso plus and buying 50 scrolls?.

I could farm alot of cps if this is correct }:)

Gidorick we must push for a better ESO +

Thought I heard they didn't stack, but I could be wrong.

The scrolls stack with everything. So if you have plus, ring of mara + partner and a scroll thats 70%.

That's pretty dang good.

Side note: You're right. My perception of the bonuses doesn't change what the bonuses are. Probably the biggest conclusion I've drawn from all these graphs and comparisons is that if a person REALLY wants to increase their CP gain they can...

Get a Ring of Mara
Join ESO+
Buy XP Scrolls
Craft XP Scrolls

It's not the comparison of buying Crown Packs vs ESO+, it's not an either or that concerns me it's the AND.

What's the definition of "Pay to Win" again?

Iduyenn · June 2015

But the Scrolls and the potions dont stack right?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

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But the Scrolls and the potions dont stack right?

No they do not.

Gidorick · June 2015

Oh! I wasn't aware they didn't stack. I hope they Institute a mechanic that prevents is from using a scroll or a potion if we are already buffed.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Oh! I wasn't aware they didn't stack. I hope they Institute a mechanic that prevents is from using a scroll or a potion if we are already buffed.

Buffed how? You mean already have a xp boost up?

Furor · June 2015

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reften · June 2015

I've changed my tone a bit on exp potions/scrolls. As a casual gamer, all it did was get me through my inspiration bonus faster...so I'd burn a scroll, be inspired, scroll would be gone burn out, inspiration gains are gone, and now I'm making hardly any XP.

The only way exp gain scrolls & Potions are worth it...are if you plan on ALWAYS running with them. (i.e. powergamers) OR you're like me, and don't play too much (0-2 hrs a day) and use one to burn through your inspiration gains before being away for a few days.

AlnilamE · June 2015

Gidorick, I believe the game won't let you us a scroll if you have the Ambrosia buff and vice-versa. Same with trying to use a potion (and potentially a scroll) if your current buff hasn't run out yet (so you don't accidentally waste them).

I think ESO+ is well worth it from an XP maximizing PoV, because as you said, you can use some of your crowns to buy scrolls, and when you run out of scrolls, you can use the extra 10% gold you earned to buy potions as well.

And even if you're like me and don't care about the speed you are leveling at, the extra 10% is a nice boost.

Gidorick · June 2015

That's good information to know @AlnilamE. And to be 100% honest, through making the OP and the discussion in this thread I'm actually finding myself wanting that 10% gain and 1500 crowns to buy the XP scrolls

Tessie · June 2015

When I play my VR14 and intend to grind CP I realize that using an XP scroll may be the most cost effective. For a newer player like myself I feel that ESO+ may be an acceptable alternative. I just find that on new characters there is just too much wasted time spent on traveling, crafting, and inventory management. I just can't predict that the next 2 hours will be worth the XP scroll in the same way as if I were going grinding on my VR14.

And there really is a psychological barrier (right or wrong) that prevents some people from preferring a consumable. I don't know if its due to the risk of the potential waste or the perceived cost of the 10% buff vs the XP Scroll.

AlnilamE · June 2015

There is a "What stacks with what?" section in the patch notes:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/179679/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-0-11

It doesn't mention the scrolls, but I'm quite sure the same thing applies as if you are trying to take a second Ambrosia.