Reason for going B2P?
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BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭DoubleShot27 wrote: »this game simply isnt worth a subscription and with license tranfers on console you can spilt the cost with a friend good game but not 15 a month good lol
So what do you consider enough to pay ZoS for ESO?
Edited by BigM on June 21, 2015 12:54PM“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭OK the reason I was told they had to go B2P was because of M$ and Sony. Starting to really not understand that concept! The confusing part to me is because of the XBOX Live and Play Station Plus majority of people on console would never want to also pay for a subscription to a MMO online game.
Yet the more I think about it, if you want to go with that reason why would anyone on console want to also pay the money for the game and then have to also pay the console subscription buy any DLC from crown store? Doesn't that just about amount to the same darn thing?
Someone explain this to me because a DLC is going to run anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars depending how big it is!
One last question to the console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?
I guess now that you believe the b2p system amounts to "the same darn thing" as you put it, we won't be seeing any more of your threads about the game going b2p?
Was that an attack? Yes I do believe it was so unfortunately I have to ignore you.
No, its just that I think every one of your threads I have read has been about b2p, so I was hoping now that you have come to the conclusion that it is "the same darn thing" you will move onto a new topic to talk about?
You miss the whole point it is what we were told at the time and yes a lot of us believe and it shows we were lead to believe they were working on PC/MAC fixing bugs and such. But again read this part "They weren't, they just wanted our money so it wouldn't dry up".
So now next question would it have stopped any work on consoles if they told us the truth and would a lot of us have stopped supporting them. To me the answer is easy, YES.
Have a good day Yasha
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »The plan BEFORE b2p was to charge a monthly fee AND to charge for DLC.
No it wasn't
If you read the links it clearly was. You yelling "NUH UH!" doesnt change the fact expansions were to be paid for along with the sub.
The first site you linked to was an obvious ESO hater website, I wouldn't trust too much of their info. In the second link I saw nothing at all about any sort of paying for add-on content, just a questionable claim that 80% of Tamriel would be available from the start (stretching things quite a bit, IMO, it is perhaps 2/3, at most)...
Lol an ESO hater website huh? ESO wasnt even released in 2012. He was talking about why it would not work. One of the issues was that even after paying the sub you would still have to buy the expansions. The other site again talks about how they will charge for expansions. This was in the first case 2 years before it came out and the other case one year before it came out.
They were VERY clear that not everything would be included in the subscription price. That smaller updates would be free but large expansions would be sold as well.1 -
Yasha✭✭✭✭✭OK the reason I was told they had to go B2P was because of M$ and Sony. Starting to really not understand that concept! The confusing part to me is because of the XBOX Live and Play Station Plus majority of people on console would never want to also pay for a subscription to a MMO online game.
Yet the more I think about it, if you want to go with that reason why would anyone on console want to also pay the money for the game and then have to also pay the console subscription buy any DLC from crown store? Doesn't that just about amount to the same darn thing?
Someone explain this to me because a DLC is going to run anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars depending how big it is!
One last question to the console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?
I guess now that you believe the b2p system amounts to "the same darn thing" as you put it, we won't be seeing any more of your threads about the game going b2p?
Was that an attack? Yes I do believe it was so unfortunately I have to ignore you.
No, its just that I think every one of your threads I have read has been about b2p, so I was hoping now that you have come to the conclusion that it is "the same darn thing" you will move onto a new topic to talk about?
You miss the whole point it is what we were told at the time and yes a lot of us believe and it shows we were lead to believe they were working on PC/MAC fixing bugs and such. But again read this part "They weren't, they just wanted our money so it wouldn't dry up".
So now next question would it have stopped any work on consoles if they told us the truth and would a lot of us have stopped supporting them. To me the answer is easy, YES.
Have a good day Yasha
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[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Discussing Disciplinary Actions]
The whole point in my view of every thread of yours I have read since the game went b2p is to complain about the transition to a b2p model and to allege that the devs have made pc gamers pay for beta testing the console release, this thread is no different.
However, you can't have it both ways, either a sub is "the same darn thing" (as you put it in your OP) as ESO's b2p model (and therefore you should be happy anyway), or the sub model and the b2p model are quite different with the sub being quite a bit more expensive and therefore a money winner while working on the console release (the position you have moved to in the above quote).2 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭OK the reason I was told they had to go B2P was because of M$ and Sony. Starting to really not understand that concept! The confusing part to me is because of the XBOX Live and Play Station Plus majority of people on console would never want to also pay for a subscription to a MMO online game.
Yet the more I think about it, if you want to go with that reason why would anyone on console want to also pay the money for the game and then have to also pay the console subscription buy any DLC from crown store? Doesn't that just about amount to the same darn thing?
Someone explain this to me because a DLC is going to run anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars depending how big it is!
One last question to the console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?
I guess now that you believe the b2p system amounts to "the same darn thing" as you put it, we won't be seeing any more of your threads about the game going b2p?
Was that an attack? Yes I do believe it was so unfortunately I have to ignore you.
No, its just that I think every one of your threads I have read has been about b2p, so I was hoping now that you have come to the conclusion that it is "the same darn thing" you will move onto a new topic to talk about?
You miss the whole point it is what we were told at the time and yes a lot of us believe and it shows we were lead to believe they were working on PC/MAC fixing bugs and such. But again read this part "They weren't, they just wanted our money so it wouldn't dry up".
So now next question would it have stopped any work on consoles if they told us the truth and would a lot of us have stopped supporting them. To me the answer is easy, YES.
Have a good day Yasha
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Discussing Disciplinary Actions]
The whole point in my view of every thread of yours I have read since the game went b2p is to complain about the transition to a b2p model and to allege that the devs have made pc gamers pay for beta testing the console release, this thread is no different.
However, you can't have it both ways, either a sub is "the same darn thing" (as you put it in your OP) as ESO's b2p model (and therefore you should be happy anyway), or the sub model and the b2p model are quite different with the sub being quite a bit more expensive and therefore a money winner while working on the console release (the position you have moved to in the above quote).
After reviewing all the posts you have made it is clear you are a fan-boy, in fact every post I looked at had nothing negative about the game. Shocking to me because that would put you in the 1%. In fact couple of threads people wonder if you work for the company or a family member. Personally don't care one way or another and yes you are in the right to you're opinion. Now you have the right to express your views on the game and you made it very apparent what you think of my posts. It doesn't bother me, it does bother me you can attack more than once and still keep it coming. in truth it is like you are trying to get me to attack you to get me banned. Sorry it won't happen.
Like I said in other posts in 17 years I have seen a lot when it comes to MMO's. In fact i seen the downfall of AC2, seen the fall coming for SOE, no need to bring up Vanguard and right now I see a lot of the same stuff going on here. Do I want the game to fail? Answer is NO, is it on the track to fail? Yes. You can only treat you're players like they have for so long then bad things will happen. In fact am betting a lot of bad reviews are about to hit. Now do I hope they put those reviews out till after the console patch, yes. Is this going to be a live or die moment for ESOTU, yes. Sure they sold a bunch of console boxes, but we are about to see in the next few days how many have been returned, that could be devastating for the game. Also a major dollar hit to them.
Now as you bring up B2P, yes we were told in no uncertain terms they were not going F2P, well they didn't they went B2P, but no difference in how they keep it from all of us trusting them that they would never stray from P2P. Now maybe you have a lot of cash to throw around, I don't, plus I hate not being told what is going on, more so when am supporting you with my money. They and you can try and silence me but even if you do, someone will be right behind me stating the same stuff. You have been reading the forums I hope and not just my posts.
Last point why have I restated a lot of what I said in past about the game, bugs, because I see the exact same things going on with consoles now that they did with PC/MAC. They should have learned with us but sadly they didn't. They should have also jumped to make us PC/MAC loyal players happy, it's called good business. I have attempted to warn them because like I stated been there done that, seen that. MMO's have for a long time have repeated history and that should worry all of us, because it means we will never turn that corner to the next best great game. I really thought this one would be it, now am having a lot of second thoughts.
Have a great day Yasha and I wish I could be like you, wait i was at the beginning, sure you read my posts telling the F2P crowd it would never happen. Old saying Fool me once.
The Old man!“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Yasha✭✭✭✭✭OK the reason I was told they had to go B2P was because of M$ and Sony. Starting to really not understand that concept! The confusing part to me is because of the XBOX Live and Play Station Plus majority of people on console would never want to also pay for a subscription to a MMO online game.
Yet the more I think about it, if you want to go with that reason why would anyone on console want to also pay the money for the game and then have to also pay the console subscription buy any DLC from crown store? Doesn't that just about amount to the same darn thing?
Someone explain this to me because a DLC is going to run anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars depending how big it is!
One last question to the console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?
I guess now that you believe the b2p system amounts to "the same darn thing" as you put it, we won't be seeing any more of your threads about the game going b2p?
Was that an attack? Yes I do believe it was so unfortunately I have to ignore you.
No, its just that I think every one of your threads I have read has been about b2p, so I was hoping now that you have come to the conclusion that it is "the same darn thing" you will move onto a new topic to talk about?
You miss the whole point it is what we were told at the time and yes a lot of us believe and it shows we were lead to believe they were working on PC/MAC fixing bugs and such. But again read this part "They weren't, they just wanted our money so it wouldn't dry up".
So now next question would it have stopped any work on consoles if they told us the truth and would a lot of us have stopped supporting them. To me the answer is easy, YES.
Have a good day Yasha
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Discussing Disciplinary Actions]
The whole point in my view of every thread of yours I have read since the game went b2p is to complain about the transition to a b2p model and to allege that the devs have made pc gamers pay for beta testing the console release, this thread is no different.
However, you can't have it both ways, either a sub is "the same darn thing" (as you put it in your OP) as ESO's b2p model (and therefore you should be happy anyway), or the sub model and the b2p model are quite different with the sub being quite a bit more expensive and therefore a money winner while working on the console release (the position you have moved to in the above quote).
After reviewing all the posts you have made it is clear you are a fan-boy, in fact every post I looked at had nothing negative about the game. Shocking to me because that would put you in the 1%. In fact couple of threads people wonder if you work for the company or a family member. Personally don't care one way or another and yes you are in the right to you're opinion. Now you have the right to express your views on the game and you made it very apparent what you think of my posts. It doesn't bother me, it does bother me you can attack more than once and still keep it coming. in truth it is like you are trying to get me to attack you to get me banned. Sorry it won't happen.
Like I said in other posts in 17 years I have seen a lot when it comes to MMO's. In fact i seen the downfall of AC2, seen the fall coming for SOE, no need to bring up Vanguard and right now I see a lot of the same stuff going on here. Do I want the game to fail? Answer is NO, is it on the track to fail? Yes. You can only treat you're players like they have for so long then bad things will happen. In fact am betting a lot of bad reviews are about to hit. Now do I hope they put those reviews out till after the console patch, yes. Is this going to be a live or die moment for ESOTU, yes. Sure they sold a bunch of console boxes, but we are about to see in the next few days how many have been returned, that could be devastating for the game. Also a major dollar hit to them.
Now as you bring up B2P, yes we were told in no uncertain terms they were not going F2P, well they didn't they went B2P, but no difference in how they keep it from all of us trusting them that they would never stray from P2P. Now maybe you have a lot of cash to throw around, I don't, plus I hate not being told what is going on, more so when am supporting you with my money. They and you can try and silence me but even if you do, someone will be right behind me stating the same stuff. You have been reading the forums I hope and not just my posts.
Last point why have I restated a lot of what I said in past about the game, bugs, because I see the exact same things going on with consoles now that they did with PC/MAC. They should have learned with us but sadly they didn't. They should have also jumped to make us PC/MAC loyal players happy, it's called good business. I have attempted to warn them because like I stated been there done that, seen that. MMO's have for a long time have repeated history and that should worry all of us, because it means we will never turn that corner to the next best great game. I really thought this one would be it, now am having a lot of second thoughts.
Have a great day Yasha and I wish I could be like you, wait i was at the beginning, sure you read my posts telling the F2P crowd it would never happen. Old saying Fool me once.
The Old man!
I have read several of your threads since the game went b2p and they all essentially are complaining about the game going b2p and/or fear mongering like in this thread's OP "console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?" You do not offer constructive criticism, you are basically just complaining that the payment system is no longer to your liking.
Now in this threads OP you say that a sub and b2p are "the same darn thing". So I sincerely say to you, if you believe in your own logic, take that to heart and just enjoy the game as you did before in went b2p. Its the same game, the only real change that has happened (when you strip away all the fear, shock, and your attachment to a sub-based system) is that you no longer have to pay a sub to play the game.
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭DoubleShot27 wrote: »this game simply isnt worth a subscription and with license tranfers on console you can spilt the cost with a friend good game but not 15 a month good lol
So what do you consider enough to pay ZoS for ESO?
nothing as i do currently.
and that will not change anymore.
DLCs will be fun - released at best every 3 months console players will not pay 45€/$(aka full game prize) for a measly zone and an additional dungeon so ESO+ dumbsters are wasting ~30€/$ for a 10% xp bonus and a few crowns worth nothing if you allready own everything in the shop...spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"1 -
kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭We can speculate all we want on why, but with no official word and no matter how much anyone thinks they are right unless ZOS confirms it is still speculation and really does no one any good and is a mute point, the deal is done, there are far more important topics to discuss than beating this dead horse..:)Edited by kevlarto_ESO on June 22, 2015 11:13AM0 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭OK the reason I was told they had to go B2P was because of M$ and Sony. Starting to really not understand that concept! The confusing part to me is because of the XBOX Live and Play Station Plus majority of people on console would never want to also pay for a subscription to a MMO online game.
Yet the more I think about it, if you want to go with that reason why would anyone on console want to also pay the money for the game and then have to also pay the console subscription buy any DLC from crown store? Doesn't that just about amount to the same darn thing?
Someone explain this to me because a DLC is going to run anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars depending how big it is!
One last question to the console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?
I guess now that you believe the b2p system amounts to "the same darn thing" as you put it, we won't be seeing any more of your threads about the game going b2p?
Was that an attack? Yes I do believe it was so unfortunately I have to ignore you.
No, its just that I think every one of your threads I have read has been about b2p, so I was hoping now that you have come to the conclusion that it is "the same darn thing" you will move onto a new topic to talk about?
You miss the whole point it is what we were told at the time and yes a lot of us believe and it shows we were lead to believe they were working on PC/MAC fixing bugs and such. But again read this part "They weren't, they just wanted our money so it wouldn't dry up".
So now next question would it have stopped any work on consoles if they told us the truth and would a lot of us have stopped supporting them. To me the answer is easy, YES.
Have a good day Yasha
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Discussing Disciplinary Actions]
The whole point in my view of every thread of yours I have read since the game went b2p is to complain about the transition to a b2p model and to allege that the devs have made pc gamers pay for beta testing the console release, this thread is no different.
However, you can't have it both ways, either a sub is "the same darn thing" (as you put it in your OP) as ESO's b2p model (and therefore you should be happy anyway), or the sub model and the b2p model are quite different with the sub being quite a bit more expensive and therefore a money winner while working on the console release (the position you have moved to in the above quote).
After reviewing all the posts you have made it is clear you are a fan-boy, in fact every post I looked at had nothing negative about the game. Shocking to me because that would put you in the 1%. In fact couple of threads people wonder if you work for the company or a family member. Personally don't care one way or another and yes you are in the right to you're opinion. Now you have the right to express your views on the game and you made it very apparent what you think of my posts. It doesn't bother me, it does bother me you can attack more than once and still keep it coming. in truth it is like you are trying to get me to attack you to get me banned. Sorry it won't happen.
Like I said in other posts in 17 years I have seen a lot when it comes to MMO's. In fact i seen the downfall of AC2, seen the fall coming for SOE, no need to bring up Vanguard and right now I see a lot of the same stuff going on here. Do I want the game to fail? Answer is NO, is it on the track to fail? Yes. You can only treat you're players like they have for so long then bad things will happen. In fact am betting a lot of bad reviews are about to hit. Now do I hope they put those reviews out till after the console patch, yes. Is this going to be a live or die moment for ESOTU, yes. Sure they sold a bunch of console boxes, but we are about to see in the next few days how many have been returned, that could be devastating for the game. Also a major dollar hit to them.
Now as you bring up B2P, yes we were told in no uncertain terms they were not going F2P, well they didn't they went B2P, but no difference in how they keep it from all of us trusting them that they would never stray from P2P. Now maybe you have a lot of cash to throw around, I don't, plus I hate not being told what is going on, more so when am supporting you with my money. They and you can try and silence me but even if you do, someone will be right behind me stating the same stuff. You have been reading the forums I hope and not just my posts.
Last point why have I restated a lot of what I said in past about the game, bugs, because I see the exact same things going on with consoles now that they did with PC/MAC. They should have learned with us but sadly they didn't. They should have also jumped to make us PC/MAC loyal players happy, it's called good business. I have attempted to warn them because like I stated been there done that, seen that. MMO's have for a long time have repeated history and that should worry all of us, because it means we will never turn that corner to the next best great game. I really thought this one would be it, now am having a lot of second thoughts.
Have a great day Yasha and I wish I could be like you, wait i was at the beginning, sure you read my posts telling the F2P crowd it would never happen. Old saying Fool me once.
The Old man!
I have read several of your threads since the game went b2p and they all essentially are complaining about the game going b2p and/or fear mongering like in this thread's OP "console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?" You do not offer constructive criticism, you are basically just complaining that the payment system is no longer to your liking.
Now in this threads OP you say that a sub and b2p are "the same darn thing". So I sincerely say to you, if you believe in your own logic, take that to heart and just enjoy the game as you did before in went b2p. Its the same game, the only real change that has happened (when you strip away all the fear, shock, and your attachment to a sub-based system) is that you no longer have to pay a sub to play the game.
Wait you actually said for me to offer constructive criticism? After over a year of paying for a game I get NOTHING but SILENCE from the developers? Yet you want me to give them WHAT? The people running this game has given me nothing but bugs and silence yet wants to keep taking my money the way they have treated me/us! Sorry, but for once I would expect nothing less than an official response (not one little paragraph either) from the lead developers of this game that I have helped pay their wages. I would expect answers to why they did what they did to us PC/MAC players and why they are ignoring us on even the simple things like a server restart today!
Yasha I expected at least one comment where I commented about other people in threads accusing you of working for or some how a part of ZoS and I notice you never deny it. I also notice you are like Baghdad Bob where you yell in all your posts the game is fine nothing to see here. Maybe you should turn what you say to me around and direct it at your self. Clearly the game has major problems and like majority of us we all see it! But yes I have gave then constructive criticism and like you said you are bored of hearing it over and over again, well am tired along with others of the silence from the developers and I have told them in no uncertain terms what I expect from them and the crickets just keep singing.
I also find it amazing you say "console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?" yes I want them to know what to expect because clearly in a majority of their posts they clearly have no idea how a MMO is suppose to run. Things are going to hit them square in the face soon and why wouldn't I want to warn them.
Just one final comment to you sir and that is a question I purpose to you and the rest of ZoS! Do you want to keep this game running for years like i do? If you answer yes to it in your head then it's time to stand up and respond to all the threads you guys think are attacks on you or not helping, that my friends will help this game immensely. But it has to be the TRUTH and said from the heart.
I said it in the past I say it now the loyal players here from start and have paid should be treated better and yes out of everyone we deserve better not the silence we have received. A good start would be to give us all free ESO Plus!
Sorry for the long post I always want to try and cut my comments down to small threads but the game does that to me and I care about it and it's future which clearly a lot do not. To me and others that is loyalty!
Thanks,
From the Old man who has seen it all!
P.S.
How is that for constructive criticism?“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do I want the game to fail? Answer is NO, is it on the track to fail? Yes.
Then the faster it fails, the better. Unless ZOS abandons its current toxic business model (no game that slumped into P2W swamp has made it back however), further development is just spectacular waste of not only money, but worse of the devs, because some apparently had at least a few good ideas. Whatever they do, it will be ultimately subverted by the crown store.3 -
Uncle_Voodoo✭✭✭Me and a bunch of my PS4 friends from DCUO got tired of the bs over there and decided to play ESOTU. I just want to say, I'm loving it. I subbed on DCUO since 1/11/2011 and it is set up the same as over here. You pay by the month and dont have to pay for dlc, just extras that you want from the in-game store. The alternative is to not pay the monthly sub and then you have to purchase any dlc content that you wish to play.Edited by Uncle_Voodoo on June 22, 2015 2:15PM1 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do I want the game to fail? Answer is NO, is it on the track to fail? Yes.
Then the faster it fails, the better. Unless ZOS abandons its current toxic business model (no game that slumped into P2W swamp has made it back however), further development is just spectacular waste of not only money, but worse of the devs, because some apparently had at least a few good ideas. Whatever they do, it will be ultimately subverted by the crown store.
It has already failed in most of its promises before release with the change to B2P. Matt Firor himself said that anything but a subscription model would force them to make changes to the game that would compromise its quality. If consoles are the reason ESO went B2P, they should have never developed for consoles. It would certainly be a better game now if they hadn't.
As for lack of subscribing players, that might be part of the reason, but there were only 2 major reasons for player exodus during ESO's first year: Lots of bugs and bots at launch, and the veteran system. The gamestopping bugs and bots were squashed after the first 1-2 months, but we still have the veteran system to this day. Regardless, lack of updates was not a reason as far as I could tell, they kept their schedule of updates every 4-6 weeks up until Update 5 (Update 6 released 3 months later, and Update 7 is nowhere to be seen).
Another reason which they actually mentioned is that they were constantly told that "I would play this game if it didn't have a subscription". Apparently the accumulative pressure of all reasons was too great, and they dropped their original vision for the game as a high quality, unlimited product.
And I agree, I'm really sad for some of the developers who had great ideas and put a lot of work into their art. QuakeCon 2014 made everyone so hopeful for the future of this game, it's just sad.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.2 -
Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭As the majority of XBox gamers would have the Gold Live so they can play online I don't think it was a major consideration for why the game went Free to Play (B2P semantic).
They went free to play for the same reason most games do, falling Subs.
There is a very good market now for in game purchases within games that appeals to player. As the game has gone Free to Play many older players who stopped Subing come back and play occassionally, some will buy crowns to get something shiney and new...
Give it a few months and the game will be in the Sales, then they will make some more money and more store sales to new players.0 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cherryblossom wrote: »As the majority of XBox gamers would have the Gold Live so they can play online I don't think it was a major consideration for why the game went Free to Play (B2P semantic).
They went free to play for the same reason most games do, falling Subs.
There is a very good market now for in game purchases within games that appeals to player. As the game has gone Free to Play many older players who stopped Subing come back and play occassionally, some will buy crowns to get something shiney and new...
Give it a few months and the game will be in the Sales, then they will make some more money and more store sales to new players.
Even in the sales bin it still makes it B2P not F2P, just wanted to correct you there. “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭Well about time they are listening! Just hope they keep it up and answer everyone's questions on all sides.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1921591/#Comment_1921591
Now we just need them to put it in a FAQ Sticky!
See it does work!Edited by BigM on June 22, 2015 6:31PM“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭Another reason which they actually mentioned is that they were constantly told that "I would play this game if it didn't have a subscription". Apparently the accumulative pressure of all reasons was too great, and they dropped their original vision for the game as a high quality, unlimited product.
This is likely just poor excuse on their part. It makes no sense to alter business model to cater to players who are not going to give them any money (and anger some of those paying). Unless they were confident these players were thoroughly stupid and would end up paying nevertheless.Edited by JamilaRaj on June 22, 2015 7:24PM0 -
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✭Another reason which they actually mentioned is that they were constantly told that "I would play this game if it didn't have a subscription". Apparently the accumulative pressure of all reasons was too great, and they dropped their original vision for the game as a high quality, unlimited product.
This is likely just poor excuse on their part. It makes no sense to alter business model to cater to players who are not going to give them any money (and anger some of those paying). Unless they were confident these players are thoroughly stupid and will end up paying nevertheless.
They learned that players won't pay subs for a game that offers very little in the way of bug fixes/promised content additions, but would drop derp amounts on pretty rainbow horses and leopards...0 -
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✭Another reason which they actually mentioned is that they were constantly told that "I would play this game if it didn't have a subscription". Apparently the accumulative pressure of all reasons was too great, and they dropped their original vision for the game as a high quality, unlimited product.
This is likely just poor excuse on their part. It makes no sense to alter business model to cater to players who are not going to give them any money (and anger some of those paying). Unless they were confident these players are thoroughly stupid and will end up paying nevertheless.
They learned that players won't pay subs for a game that offers very little in the way of bug fixes/promised content additions, but would drop derp amounts on pretty rainbow horses and leopards...
PC/MAC yes, consoles, many kids play consoles so no I do not see it happening.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭Another reason which they actually mentioned is that they were constantly told that "I would play this game if it didn't have a subscription". Apparently the accumulative pressure of all reasons was too great, and they dropped their original vision for the game as a high quality, unlimited product.
This is likely just poor excuse on their part. It makes no sense to alter business model to cater to players who are not going to give them any money (and anger some of those paying). Unless they were confident these players are thoroughly stupid and will end up paying nevertheless.
They learned that players won't pay subs for a game that offers very little in the way of bug fixes/promised content additions, but would drop derp amounts on pretty rainbow horses and leopards...
PC/MAC yes, consoles, many kids play consoles so no I do not see it happening.
Well ofc. It was a poor decision to design a console version of this game unless it was a pure cash grab attempt on initial box sales.2 -
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✭Another reason which they actually mentioned is that they were constantly told that "I would play this game if it didn't have a subscription". Apparently the accumulative pressure of all reasons was too great, and they dropped their original vision for the game as a high quality, unlimited product.
This is likely just poor excuse on their part. It makes no sense to alter business model to cater to players who are not going to give them any money (and anger some of those paying). Unless they were confident these players are thoroughly stupid and will end up paying nevertheless.
They learned that players won't pay subs for a game that offers very little in the way of bug fixes/promised content additions, but would drop derp amounts on pretty rainbow horses and leopards...
PC/MAC yes, consoles, many kids play consoles so no I do not see it happening.
Well ofc. It was a poor decision to design a console version of this game unless it was a pure cash grab attempt on initial box sales.
That is what I believe on the box sales, I just don't see kids going to parents Dad Mom I really want this senche or I need this potion to gain experience faster. Now there may be a few that say OK you can have a month of ESO Plus and will see how it is, but as we all know kids they will also want that new horse in the store and want it now. Going to be very interesting on how they have thrown all their apples into one basket!
But am more interested how many boxes have been taken back.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭Another reason which they actually mentioned is that they were constantly told that "I would play this game if it didn't have a subscription". Apparently the accumulative pressure of all reasons was too great, and they dropped their original vision for the game as a high quality, unlimited product.
This is likely just poor excuse on their part. It makes no sense to alter business model to cater to players who are not going to give them any money (and anger some of those paying). Unless they were confident these players are thoroughly stupid and will end up paying nevertheless.
They learned that players won't pay subs for a game that offers very little in the way of bug fixes/promised content additions, but would drop derp amounts on pretty rainbow horses and leopards...
PC/MAC yes, consoles, many kids play consoles so no I do not see it happening.
Well ofc. It was a poor decision to design a console version of this game unless it was a pure cash grab attempt on initial box sales.
That is what I believe on the box sales, I just don't see kids going to parents Dad Mom I really want this senche or I need this potion to gain experience faster. Now there may be a few that say OK you can have a month of ESO Plus and will see how it is, but as we all know kids they will also want that new horse in the store and want it now. Going to be very interesting on how they have thrown all their apples into one basket!
But am more interested how many boxes have been taken back.
Supposedly, they are allowing used box sales through Gamestop where no unique serial key is required to activate an account. Meaning a single game disc can spawn an unlimited number of accounts, yet only one of them can play at any given time. However, they won't see any of that revenue once the games start getting dumped into the bargain pre-owned bin.0 -
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✭Another reason which they actually mentioned is that they were constantly told that "I would play this game if it didn't have a subscription". Apparently the accumulative pressure of all reasons was too great, and they dropped their original vision for the game as a high quality, unlimited product.
This is likely just poor excuse on their part. It makes no sense to alter business model to cater to players who are not going to give them any money (and anger some of those paying). Unless they were confident these players are thoroughly stupid and will end up paying nevertheless.
They learned that players won't pay subs for a game that offers very little in the way of bug fixes/promised content additions, but would drop derp amounts on pretty rainbow horses and leopards...
PC/MAC yes, consoles, many kids play consoles so no I do not see it happening.
Well ofc. It was a poor decision to design a console version of this game unless it was a pure cash grab attempt on initial box sales.
That is what I believe on the box sales, I just don't see kids going to parents Dad Mom I really want this senche or I need this potion to gain experience faster. Now there may be a few that say OK you can have a month of ESO Plus and will see how it is, but as we all know kids they will also want that new horse in the store and want it now. Going to be very interesting on how they have thrown all their apples into one basket!
But am more interested how many boxes have been taken back.
Supposedly, they are allowing used box sales through Gamestop where no unique serial key is required to activate an account. Meaning a single game disc can spawn an unlimited number of accounts, yet only one of them can play at any given time. However, they won't see any of that revenue once the games start getting dumped into the bargain pre-owned bin.
Agree, I still do not see the reasoning behind this other than exactly what you said, all for initial sales.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭DoubleShot27 wrote: »this game simply isnt worth a subscription and with license tranfers on console you can spilt the cost with a friend good game but not 15 a month good lol
Have to disagree. I still think it's the best subscription game on the market. I don't mind that others can play without it, it means they are just more content for me specifically in PvP.0 -
If you play Call of Duty you spend 60 dollars for the game then 20-30 2 months later for 5 new maps. How is this any different? I dont get why console players are complaining about the P2P, how often has a console gamer bought a new game for 60.00 beat it in 40-80 hours and spend another 60.00 4 weeks later to do it all over again on a different game. MMOs are a lot more difficult to maintain after the release date and the cost of ESO is not much more even with all the upkeep.0
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✭SCAGNETTI4691 wrote: »If you play Call of Duty you spend 60 dollars for the game then 20-30 2 months later for 5 new maps. How is this any different? I dont get why console players are complaining about the P2P, how often has a console gamer bought a new game for 60.00 beat it in 40-80 hours and spend another 60.00 4 weeks later to do it all over again on a different game. MMOs are a lot more difficult to maintain after the release date and the cost of ESO is not much more even with all the upkeep.
You can't compare any game to an MMO unless of course it is another MMO. They cost way more for upkeep and content. Servers are way more expensive even more for megaservers.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Yasha✭✭✭✭✭OK the reason I was told they had to go B2P was because of M$ and Sony. Starting to really not understand that concept! The confusing part to me is because of the XBOX Live and Play Station Plus majority of people on console would never want to also pay for a subscription to a MMO online game.
Yet the more I think about it, if you want to go with that reason why would anyone on console want to also pay the money for the game and then have to also pay the console subscription buy any DLC from crown store? Doesn't that just about amount to the same darn thing?
Someone explain this to me because a DLC is going to run anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars depending how big it is!
One last question to the console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?
I guess now that you believe the b2p system amounts to "the same darn thing" as you put it, we won't be seeing any more of your threads about the game going b2p?
Was that an attack? Yes I do believe it was so unfortunately I have to ignore you.
No, its just that I think every one of your threads I have read has been about b2p, so I was hoping now that you have come to the conclusion that it is "the same darn thing" you will move onto a new topic to talk about?
You miss the whole point it is what we were told at the time and yes a lot of us believe and it shows we were lead to believe they were working on PC/MAC fixing bugs and such. But again read this part "They weren't, they just wanted our money so it wouldn't dry up".
So now next question would it have stopped any work on consoles if they told us the truth and would a lot of us have stopped supporting them. To me the answer is easy, YES.
Have a good day Yasha
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The whole point in my view of every thread of yours I have read since the game went b2p is to complain about the transition to a b2p model and to allege that the devs have made pc gamers pay for beta testing the console release, this thread is no different.
However, you can't have it both ways, either a sub is "the same darn thing" (as you put it in your OP) as ESO's b2p model (and therefore you should be happy anyway), or the sub model and the b2p model are quite different with the sub being quite a bit more expensive and therefore a money winner while working on the console release (the position you have moved to in the above quote).
After reviewing all the posts you have made it is clear you are a fan-boy, in fact every post I looked at had nothing negative about the game. Shocking to me because that would put you in the 1%. In fact couple of threads people wonder if you work for the company or a family member. Personally don't care one way or another and yes you are in the right to you're opinion. Now you have the right to express your views on the game and you made it very apparent what you think of my posts. It doesn't bother me, it does bother me you can attack more than once and still keep it coming. in truth it is like you are trying to get me to attack you to get me banned. Sorry it won't happen.
Like I said in other posts in 17 years I have seen a lot when it comes to MMO's. In fact i seen the downfall of AC2, seen the fall coming for SOE, no need to bring up Vanguard and right now I see a lot of the same stuff going on here. Do I want the game to fail? Answer is NO, is it on the track to fail? Yes. You can only treat you're players like they have for so long then bad things will happen. In fact am betting a lot of bad reviews are about to hit. Now do I hope they put those reviews out till after the console patch, yes. Is this going to be a live or die moment for ESOTU, yes. Sure they sold a bunch of console boxes, but we are about to see in the next few days how many have been returned, that could be devastating for the game. Also a major dollar hit to them.
Now as you bring up B2P, yes we were told in no uncertain terms they were not going F2P, well they didn't they went B2P, but no difference in how they keep it from all of us trusting them that they would never stray from P2P. Now maybe you have a lot of cash to throw around, I don't, plus I hate not being told what is going on, more so when am supporting you with my money. They and you can try and silence me but even if you do, someone will be right behind me stating the same stuff. You have been reading the forums I hope and not just my posts.
Last point why have I restated a lot of what I said in past about the game, bugs, because I see the exact same things going on with consoles now that they did with PC/MAC. They should have learned with us but sadly they didn't. They should have also jumped to make us PC/MAC loyal players happy, it's called good business. I have attempted to warn them because like I stated been there done that, seen that. MMO's have for a long time have repeated history and that should worry all of us, because it means we will never turn that corner to the next best great game. I really thought this one would be it, now am having a lot of second thoughts.
Have a great day Yasha and I wish I could be like you, wait i was at the beginning, sure you read my posts telling the F2P crowd it would never happen. Old saying Fool me once.
The Old man!
I have read several of your threads since the game went b2p and they all essentially are complaining about the game going b2p and/or fear mongering like in this thread's OP "console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?" You do not offer constructive criticism, you are basically just complaining that the payment system is no longer to your liking.
Now in this threads OP you say that a sub and b2p are "the same darn thing". So I sincerely say to you, if you believe in your own logic, take that to heart and just enjoy the game as you did before in went b2p. Its the same game, the only real change that has happened (when you strip away all the fear, shock, and your attachment to a sub-based system) is that you no longer have to pay a sub to play the game.
Wait you actually said for me to offer constructive criticism? After over a year of paying for a game I get NOTHING but SILENCE from the developers? Yet you want me to give them WHAT? The people running this game has given me nothing but bugs and silence yet wants to keep taking my money the way they have treated me/us! Sorry, but for once I would expect nothing less than an official response (not one little paragraph either) from the lead developers of this game that I have helped pay their wages. I would expect answers to why they did what they did to us PC/MAC players and why they are ignoring us on even the simple things like a server restart today!
Yasha I expected at least one comment where I commented about other people in threads accusing you of working for or some how a part of ZoS and I notice you never deny it. I also notice you are like Baghdad Bob where you yell in all your posts the game is fine nothing to see here. Maybe you should turn what you say to me around and direct it at your self. Clearly the game has major problems and like majority of us we all see it! But yes I have gave then constructive criticism and like you said you are bored of hearing it over and over again, well am tired along with others of the silence from the developers and I have told them in no uncertain terms what I expect from them and the crickets just keep singing.
I also find it amazing you say "console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?" yes I want them to know what to expect because clearly in a majority of their posts they clearly have no idea how a MMO is suppose to run. Things are going to hit them square in the face soon and why wouldn't I want to warn them.
Just one final comment to you sir and that is a question I purpose to you and the rest of ZoS! Do you want to keep this game running for years like i do? If you answer yes to it in your head then it's time to stand up and respond to all the threads you guys think are attacks on you or not helping, that my friends will help this game immensely. But it has to be the TRUTH and said from the heart.
I said it in the past I say it now the loyal players here from start and have paid should be treated better and yes out of everyone we deserve better not the silence we have received. A good start would be to give us all free ESO Plus!
Sorry for the long post I always want to try and cut my comments down to small threads but the game does that to me and I care about it and it's future which clearly a lot do not. To me and others that is loyalty!
Thanks,
From the Old man who has seen it all!
P.S.
How is that for constructive criticism?
You didn't offer one piece of constructive criticism in the above quote, or anywhere else in this thread. You are just complaining about the game going b2p, and justifying your lack of constructive criticism by saying (falsely) that the devs not communicated for over a year.
Again I ask you why are you complaining if your OP says that subs and b2p are the "same darn thing"? If they are the same you should be happy, if they are not the same why did you write that?
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✭✭✭Would be nice if the personal attacks could stop and stick to the subject being discussed instead of insulting the person talking.1 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Would be nice if the personal attacks could stop and stick to the subject being discussed instead of insulting the person talking.
LOL not sure what he said he has been on ignore. He just wants to argue, and am not going to fall for it. “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Dixa✭✭✭✭OK the reason I was told they had to go B2P was because of M$ and Sony. Starting to really not understand that concept! The confusing part to me is because of the XBOX Live and Play Station Plus majority of people on console would never want to also pay for a subscription to a MMO online game.
Yet the more I think about it, if you want to go with that reason why would anyone on console want to also pay the money for the game and then have to also pay the console subscription buy any DLC from crown store? Doesn't that just about amount to the same darn thing?
Someone explain this to me because a DLC is going to run anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars depending how big it is!
One last question to the console players you do realize you will need to pay for all content to the crown store if you want to play it right?
this is different from your typical console shooter...how...exactly?
and there is absolutely NOTHING in the crown store that is required to play or be competitive. it is all cosmetic.Edited by Dixa on June 23, 2015 12:07AM0
