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Templar or Dragonknight

KrustyWilly
Hey guys, I'm fairly new to elder scrolls online, I played skyrim and oblivion, but this is way different. I'm having issues choosing between my imperial templar and my nord dragonknight. I want a character that I can solo PvE and eventually be able to do PvP with when I get better. I want to be able to put out a lot of damage yet be able to sustain and survive. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
  • Funkopotamus
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    Both TBH...

    But it depend are you a go all out burst happy player-DK
    Shield up and come out bursting when you can and run people over with shielding- TEMP
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington
  • leepalmer95
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    Dragonknight:

    Stamina based - Imperial
    Magicka based - Dark elf


    Templers are terrible compare to dragon knights.
    PS4 EU DC

    Current CP : 756+

    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • Nestor
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    I would recommend a Templar for your first character. Your main attack also heals you, so death is rare. Not that a DK is not fun and easy to play, it's just the Templar is the easiest to get off the ground and use to get your head wrapped around the game. Once you figure out the mechanics and what to do, roll a DK too and play that. And then a Sorcerer and then a Nightblade.
    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • Funkopotamus
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    ^^ Hasn't been ran over by a Holy-Roller build lately :)
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington
  • Enemy-of-Coldharbour
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    Hmm...Imperial Dragonknight! >:)

    Silivren (Silly) Thalionwen | Altmer Templar | Magicka | 9-Trait Master Crafter/Jeweler | Master Angler | PVE Main - Killed by U35
    Jahsul at-Sahan | Redguard Sorcerer | Stamina | Werewolf - Free Bites | PVP Main
    Derrok Gunnolf | Redguard Dragonknight | Stamina | Werewolf - Free Bites
    Liliana Littleleaf | 9-Trait Grand Master Crafter/Jeweler (non-combat)
    Amber Emberheart | Breton Dragonknight | Stamina | Master Angler
    Vlos Anon | Dunmer Nightblade | Magicka | Vampire - Free Bites
    Kalina Valos | Dunmer Warden | Magicka | Vampire - Free Bites
    Swiftpaws-Moonshadow | Khajiit Nightblade | Stamina
    Morgul Vardar | Altmer Necromancer | Magicka
    Tithin Geil | Altmer Sorceress | Magicka
    Dhryk | Imperial Dragonknight | Stamina

    Guild Master - ESO Traders Union
    PC/NA - CP 2560+
  • KrustyWilly
    So I should stick with my imperial templar? I was thinking to do that because I feel like it'll last longer with the shields and healing, but my DK has fairly good damage so I was stuck.
  • KrustyWilly
    And for my templar I converted puncuring jabs to biting jabs instead of puncturing sweep.. was that a mistake?
  • Nestor
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    Yep, unless you don't want the heal and your running a Stamina Templar.
    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • KrustyWilly
    Wasn't planning on stamina. Most of the templar abilities are Magika and the imperial has a boost in health and stamina so that helps those aspects. That's why I'm not that worried about biting jabs, but I accidentally picked it without seeing the health restored on puncturing sweeps.
  • KrustyWilly
    The only reason biting jabs is nice on stamina is if Im low on Magika I usually have full stamina to spam that.
  • likewow777
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    If you're splitting your DPS between magicka and stamina, you might find your damage output is lower than it could be if you specialize in one. I'm building a stamina Templar myself and took the Biting Jabs morph, for primary DPS. Since my stamina pool is large, abilities like Jabs scale with it and hit hard. In the same way, magicka abilities will scale with your magicka pool. It sounds like you want to do primary magicka, so I would recommend the same as @Nestor : take the Puncturing Sweep morph.

    Note: Stamina Temps are powerful right now, so if you ever go down that road you'll be very happy. You don't get the heal from Biting Jabs, but Repentance is a free health/stamina restore, morph of Restoring Aura. I combine that with 2H, which results in excellent damage and sustain, and THAT results in being able to solo PvE content very easily.

    Just my 2 cents.
    "War doesn't build character, it reveals it."
  • templesus
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    Im currently a level 38 magicka dark elf templar and roll over people in pvp. Its very tedious and difficult up to level 42 dawns wrath but once your there and get jesus beam its game over for people. Just *** a level 41 sorc people dont realize but evlipse is like a lock down killer for sorcs. Just kite dks and youll be fine also. Definately recommend magicka temp.
  • KrustyWilly
    Do you just morph your abilities to stamina based instead of Magika based ones or how would you go down the staMina skI'll line? @likewow777
  • Dahkoht
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    likewow777 wrote: »
    If you're splitting your DPS between magicka and stamina, you might find your damage output is lower than it could be if you specialize in one. I'm building a stamina Templar myself and took the Biting Jabs morph, for primary DPS. Since my stamina pool is large, abilities like Jabs scale with it and hit hard. In the same way, magicka abilities will scale with your magicka pool. It sounds like you want to do primary magicka, so I would recommend the same as @Nestor : take the Puncturing Sweep morph.

    Note: Stamina Temps are powerful right now, so if you ever go down that road you'll be very happy. You don't get the heal from Biting Jabs, but Repentance is a free health/stamina restore, morph of Restoring Aura. I combine that with 2H, which results in excellent damage and sustain, and THAT results in being able to solo PvE content very easily.

    Just my 2 cents.

    If don't mind me tagging along with some questions as just returned to the game after being gone for a good while , and starting over as a templar again. Played DK and Templar before , enjoyed them but was much more hybrid like.

    This time I want to go the stamina 2hd templar route , just really enjoy 2hd sword playstyle , and wondered if overall you should dump all your points into stamina or a few into health also ?

    And odd question , but whats good for a 2nd bar/weapon ? I get that bow uses stamina but wondered if that was the only option. I was actually considering a 2nd 2hd weapon and just mix up a few abilities , but that might be an odd route to go.

    Just curious.
  • KrustyWilly
    I did the imperial so they specialize in 1H and shield, but 2H would work better?
  • BurtFreeman
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    most here will suggest you DK, but in learning the game you also may think the templar is a good choice, becouse of his powerfull survivability heaingl spells, since level 1. it will keep in life your alt, easily, just in the most important step aproching the game: the begin.
    with the templar you are almost fine since the very firsts levels:
    - you have a stun javelling that can be morphed into stamina; you can use it in congiunction with the destructive flame stuff spell, having a nice control given by magika and stamina pool.
    - you have a very powerfull puncturing croud controll spell, also morpable into stamina.
    - you have the best auto healing of the game, chip, quick and powerfuul. you will be almost immortal in pve, using it.
    - you have nice range damage over time spells, very important.

    i'm pretty sure you will like the templar. also is nice if you make 4 alt, one for each class, in the beginning, and play a little of them all, just to see your feeling with classes.
    i've started with dk and played for long, then i start a sorc, and i find out my way with it. also i loved templar. nb i don't like; so if you start them all, you may be able to see wich class give you a better feeling and fun; in the future you will be able to play all.
  • likewow777
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    I did the imperial so they specialize in 1H and shield, but 2H would work better?

    That class "specialty" simply means that weapon skill line will level up faster than the others, if you equip it. You can get to lvl 50 in any weapon, regardless of that passive, it'll just happen slightly slower. If you can get some weapons with the Training trait, it will help level the skill line faster.

    I chose 2H for DPS mostly because I like how satisfying it is to use. I've got a NB that uses bow and DW, though, and the DPS you can get with that is great as well. 1H+S is mainly meant for tanking, and you'll notice that the skills don't do a lot of damage all on their own. The idea there is to taunt, debuff, and otherwise lower the enemies ability to fight effectively. That said, tanks can very effectively solo even stuff that isn't meant to be solo (i.e. Craglorn). The downside is that DPS is generally low, and it can take forever to kill anything.
    Do you just morph your abilities to stamina based instead of Magika based ones or how would you go down the staMina skI'll line? @likewow777

    For my stamina builds, I always choose the stamina morph over the magicka one. For Templars, those are Biting Jabs, Blinding Javelin (I believe this is the one), and Power of the Light (Dawn's Wrath skill line). I tend to weave those abilities in with weapon abilities. So for 2H, a typical rotation is:

    Momentum (buff) -> Critical Rush -> Biting Jabs (repeat if needed) -> Executioner (finishes them off) -> Repentance

    For multi target, like public dungeons, 2H's Brawler is almost essential. For single target, Biting Jabs can be substituted for Wrecking Blow, or both could be used in conjunction.

    If you want to do something other than 2H, there are generally similar abilities. Steel Tornado, from the DW line, is one of the best AoE stamina damage abilities. There are also builds that focus on maximizing damage from Rapid Strikes, which can give killer single target DPS.

    Bow has abilities that do a lot of DoTs, which just saw away slowly at HP. When I use bow, I'll poison the crap out of everything, then just walk away as they die slowly. :wink: Plus, with high DPS, you can generally kill a mob of 3 before they even have a chance to get to you.

    Almost everything that's said above can be applied to a magicka build, though. Just substitute a destruction staff in, swap around the skills, and take all the magicka morphs.
    "War doesn't build character, it reveals it."
  • KrustyWilly
    What skill line is rapid strikes? And I'll focus on stamina then because I've only morphed biting jabs to stamina and one other which is Magika, so I can just continue to morph skills to stamina and pump points into stamina. Do you pump points only into stamina or into stamina and health?
  • likewow777
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    Dahkoht wrote: »
    likewow777 wrote: »
    If you're splitting your DPS between magicka and stamina, you might find your damage output is lower than it could be if you specialize in one. I'm building a stamina Templar myself and took the Biting Jabs morph, for primary DPS. Since my stamina pool is large, abilities like Jabs scale with it and hit hard. In the same way, magicka abilities will scale with your magicka pool. It sounds like you want to do primary magicka, so I would recommend the same as @Nestor : take the Puncturing Sweep morph.

    Note: Stamina Temps are powerful right now, so if you ever go down that road you'll be very happy. You don't get the heal from Biting Jabs, but Repentance is a free health/stamina restore, morph of Restoring Aura. I combine that with 2H, which results in excellent damage and sustain, and THAT results in being able to solo PvE content very easily.

    Just my 2 cents.

    If don't mind me tagging along with some questions as just returned to the game after being gone for a good while , and starting over as a templar again. Played DK and Templar before , enjoyed them but was much more hybrid like.

    This time I want to go the stamina 2hd templar route , just really enjoy 2hd sword playstyle , and wondered if overall you should dump all your points into stamina or a few into health also ?

    And odd question , but whats good for a 2nd bar/weapon ? I get that bow uses stamina but wondered if that was the only option. I was actually considering a 2nd 2hd weapon and just mix up a few abilities , but that might be an odd route to go.

    Just curious.

    Personally, I like the 2H/2H setup. Generally, the main bar is focused on single target, while bar 2 is AoE and healing. That said, being in melee range isn't always the easiest thing. Many bosses in trials and VR dungeons are hard to hit when you need to be in close. Mind you, there's always a way.

    While I like 2H/2H, my NB uses DW/Bow, which is extremely effective as well. Plus, I'm eventually going to do 2H/Bow with my Temp.

    As for attribute points, I always put every one into the pool I depend on the most. My tank does all HP, my stams do all stamina, etc. The reason is that you can make up any deficit using armor enchants, jewelry, item set bonuses, and food. As a real example, my VR14 DK 2H has every point in stamina, but the resulting stats with food are: ~22k HP & ~25k Stamina. If I have the emperor buff, I can use drinks for regen instead, because my health will be ~19.5k naturally. She's an Imperial, though, so these stats are more easily achieved with those racial passives.

    While at endgame, it's recommended healers and DPS have 20k HP, before you get there it doesn't matter so much. If you're worried, I'd just make or buy some cheap green health buff food and eat that whenever you think you might need to.
    "War doesn't build character, it reveals it."
  • likewow777
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    What skill line is rapid strikes? And I'll focus on stamina then because I've only morphed biting jabs to stamina and one other which is Magika, so I can just continue to morph skills to stamina and pump points into stamina. Do you pump points only into stamina or into stamina and health?

    It's the morph of Flurry from the Dual Wield weapon skill line.

    For attribute points, my previous post talks a bit about it.
    "War doesn't build character, it reveals it."
  • KrustyWilly
    Alright thanks. I put 3 points in magika, 3 in health, and 1 in stamina but from now on I'll pump all,my points into health and stamina. And I'm going to sound really stupid and I'll realize once you say it what it is, but what do you mean when you says buffs and buff food?
  • KrustyWilly
    Actually should I probably put all in stamina? Bc I know armor and potions make up for health like you said.
  • BurtFreeman
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    Alright thanks. I put 3 points in magika, 3 in health, and 1 in stamina but from now on I'll pump all,my points into health and stamina. And I'm going to sound really stupid and I'll realize once you say it what it is, but what do you mean when you says buffs and buff food?

    when you approach the second zone, you will be able to respect your atributes and skills.
    at the begin it is fine to put points into healt, becouse ensure a better survivability.
  • KrustyWilly
    Is the second zone pretty deep into the game?
  • templesus
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    Is the second zone pretty deep into the game?
    Not at all, i was there by level 10. Take friends and 9 will do.

  • KrustyWilly
    What us the second zone if i don't mind asking lol
  • hamgatan
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    What us the second zone if i don't mind asking lol

    which alliance did you choose?

    EP/DC/AD?

    EP = Deshaan
    DC = Stormhaven
    AD = Grahtwood

    Edited by hamgatan on June 23, 2015 1:58AM
    PC / NA - 1900 CP

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
  • KrustyWilly
    Ebonheart
  • KrustyWilly
    Btw a question for all of you guys, would you recommend stamina or magika build? Which would be better in the long run? Since I can respwxy my points and such soon.
  • hamgatan
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    ..so Deshaan. The rededication shrines are in Mournhold in the Central Building that houses the Bank.

    Keep in mind any time you use the shrines it costs you money. It isn't free to respec skills/morphs and attributes. The cost is scaled on how many of each you have. If you have 20 or so Skill points it won't cost much at all, later on when you have 200+ skill points, it starts getting into the tens of thousands of gold to respec.
    Edited by hamgatan on June 23, 2015 2:15AM
    PC / NA - 1900 CP

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
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