any word on next patch? (vigor rank 5) @ZOS

DIENASTY9 · June 2015

looking forward to vigor being rank 5, my stamina nightblade is basically trash. i can take two or three on my own if i get lucky, but vigor being rank ten is a huge turn off. i dont want to use 2h just to be pro mlg not die in two seconds.

just hoping for some word on this, is there some time frame, or even progress on it?

bertenburnyb16_ESO · June 2015

are they really going to do that? -_-

ItsMeToo · June 2015

Keep it where it is. You can use pots.

BuggeX · June 2015

yea lets face even more dogerolling nb with vigor....no ty

Ajaxduo · June 2015

They already confirmed they were going to change it. My guess is it will be changed when they release Imp City/Orsinium.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Thanks for your patience, folks. We have some answers to both questions below. It's worth mentioning that these answers are straight from the combat team, headed up by Eric Wrobel.

Erock25 wrote: »

I have two questions that I would really appreciate an answer to.

1. Is Nirnhorned armor working as intended? As it is on live, a few pieces of Nirnhorned easily brings you up to the hard cap on spell resist even in Light Armor. Each piece of Nirnhorned is increasing total spell resist by the listed percentage. It is working as the Nirnhorned tooltip states, but I was wondering if you could provide a bit of clarity if this is indeed the intended mechanic.

Currently, Nirnhoned is more effective than intended. We’ll be adjusting how this works so it's not quite as powerful. This change is currently slated to go into the next major update.

Erock25 wrote: »

2. Has there been any further discussion on the Alliance Rank needed to obtain the Vigor skill? The last quote I heard from ZOS on this issue was that they want Alliance Ranks to be a long process to achieve but I feel that putting such a game changing skill at Rank 10 is a bit too much. I could personally accept it at Rank 10 if Alliance Rank was account wide, but as it is currently, none of my alts have any hope of ever reaching Vigor. My main is only Alliance Rank 8, and I spend a vast majority of my time in PVP and have been playing since the first day of early access. I am fairly casual, but just for reference, I gain on average around 1 CP a day (I keep up with enlightenment totals basically).

Yes, there has been further discussion and plans for change are in progress. We plan to move Vigor and Guard to Alliance Rank 5, also in the next major update.

JacksonCarter13 · June 2015

I hope they dont change is that would be absolutely lame! Im rank 9 still on my way to 10 but it really should be those who worked for it..

R0M2K · June 2015

PVE people wants Vigor nerfed to alliance lvl 5.... Can PvP people get then the Undaunted pasives to lvl 3 too?

DIENASTY9 · June 2015

Lol at everyone thinking this was a suggestion, no its been "confirmed". Frankly, i would have been ok with level 7 for max skills, same with undaunted. Past that gets kind of ridiculous. You complain about my doge rolling, when all i ever see is sorc/ dk spamming aoe. I have 18k stam in my pool compared to infinite aoe seige and your thirty sorc dk magicka aoe pools. I deserve ONE heal. You try running off of degeneration or leeching strikes, even stacked together with the ritual mundus and swallow soul slotted you get destroyed. I think you all need to realize that stamina nightbladea are the WORST class in the game. We can gank a solo or or two, sure but we have no survivability what so ever, even a healer cant keep me up i beed one or two when you are all spamming aoe and your dragon wing feet. Its silly that your all complaining about a single heal, when you have plenty. Trying to keep the worst class option down simply to make your lives easier:,)

DIENASTY9 · June 2015

Not to mention how silly it is so suggest pots, you have no cooldown on your heals. Not only do i use stamina for every attack and sprinting and blocking ect, i use it for a heal too. That limits me to maybe once or twice a fight before im out dry. Try playing a stam nb before we start a whaaa riot

Garion · June 2015

"Stamina NB worst class in game"

AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHSHAHAHHA

timidobserver · June 2015

I think that it is a shame to removed the only high end PvP awards because pvers feel left out.

BuggeX · June 2015

Stamina NB the worst class? well....

im done here

edit: 18k Stamina on a "Stamina NB"

even my Magica DK has more lol

Durham · June 2015

I hope this change does not go in....

DIENASTY9 · June 2015

lol LOL, ok well apparently you have. Not played much stam nb, i see all other classes able to heal in burst or instantly. This is touted as a "play your way" game right? Ok i want a heal that runs off stamina. Not much to ask for. In pvp the zerg fest that it is, its not like one guy heing himself is going to cha ge the entire game. You can still rekt me in groups, but at least ill have a chance. Im not using 2h so i literally have no burst heals. Thats not very fun. You all complaining about a class getting a buff, putting it closer to the level of a magicka based class. Kinda obvious whats going on. Regardless tbis was a post directed to ZOS, not whiny mmo community. Im sorry you dont approve, but for the sake of balance it needed to be done.

At vr4 with this guy of course hes only around 18-20k stam. Unlike many tranfer destroyers i chose to start clean.

olemanwinter · June 2015

I love how people constantly claim stam nb is OP yet all I ever hear in game is that if you cant 1vX then you suck and Stam nb cant 1vX.

So which is it?

Stam nb only feels OP in specific circumstances.

Also...back on point...there are other classes that run stamina builds and would like a reasonably achievable Vigor.

Im already at rank 9 and having slowly gotten here I still want to cry thinking about the remaining 2 million AP I need.

Guess I better equip a restoration staff and zerg.

Garion · June 2015

DIENASTY9 wrote: »

lol LOL, ok well apparently you have. Not played much stam nb, i see all other classes able to heal in burst or instantly. This is touted as a "play your way" game right? Ok i want a heal that runs off stamina. Not much to ask for. In pvp the zerg fest that it is, its not like one guy heing himself is going to cha ge the entire game. You can still rekt me in groups, but at least ill have a chance. Im not using 2h so i literally have no burst heals. Thats not very fun. You all complaining about a class getting a buff, putting it closer to the level of a magicka based class. Kinda obvious whats going on. Regardless tbis was a post directed to ZOS, not whiny mmo community. Im sorry you dont approve, but for the sake of balance it needed to be done.

As a sorc I don't have a reliable self heal. I use healing ward for that and therefore I am forced into using a resto staff. If I had a self heal, would I use healing ward? No I wouldn't. I am forced into using a resto staff as a magicka player. With that said, why shouldn't you be forced into using a particular weapon as a stamina player, should you wish to have a self heal?

Preyfar · June 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Im already at rank 9 and having slowly gotten here I still want to cry thinking about the remaining 2 million AP I need.

I gave up on getting Vigor since Thornblade died again. =P

Garion · June 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

I love how people constantly claim stam nb is OP yet all I ever hear in game is that if you cant 1vX then you suck and Stam nb cant 1vX.

So which is it?

Stam nb only feels OP in specific circumstances.

Also...back on point...there are other classes that run stamina builds and would like a reasonably achievable Vigor.

Im already at rank 9 and having slowly gotten here I still want to cry thinking about the remaining 2 million AP I need.

Guess I better equip a restoration staff and zerg.

If you can't 1vX with a stamina NB you are doing it wrong.

Lava_Croft · June 2015

Garion wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

I love how people constantly claim stam nb is OP yet all I ever hear in game is that if you cant 1vX then you suck and Stam nb cant 1vX.

So which is it?

Stam nb only feels OP in specific circumstances.

Also...back on point...there are other classes that run stamina builds and would like a reasonably achievable Vigor.

Im already at rank 9 and having slowly gotten here I still want to cry thinking about the remaining 2 million AP I need.

Guess I better equip a restoration staff and zerg.

If you can't 1vX with a stamina NB you are doing it wrong.

Stamina NB 1vX? Roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll.

And keep rolling!

Garion · June 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

I love how people constantly claim stam nb is OP yet all I ever hear in game is that if you cant 1vX then you suck and Stam nb cant 1vX.

So which is it?

Stam nb only feels OP in specific circumstances.

Also...back on point...there are other classes that run stamina builds and would like a reasonably achievable Vigor.

Im already at rank 9 and having slowly gotten here I still want to cry thinking about the remaining 2 million AP I need.

Guess I better equip a restoration staff and zerg.

If you can't 1vX with a stamina NB you are doing it wrong.

Stamina NB 1vX? Roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll.

And keep rolling!

You missed a couple of rolls, but yeah you have more or less got it!

BuggeX · June 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

I love how people constantly claim stam nb is OP yet all I ever hear in game is that if you cant 1vX then you suck and Stam nb cant 1vX.

So which is it?

Stam nb only feels OP in specific circumstances.

Also...back on point...there are other classes that run stamina builds and would like a reasonably achievable Vigor.

Im already at rank 9 and having slowly gotten here I still want to cry thinking about the remaining 2 million AP I need.

Guess I better equip a restoration staff and zerg.

If you can't 1vX with a stamina NB you are doing it wrong.

Stamina NB 1vX? Roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll.

And keep rolling!

dont Forget, turn arround instand kill one and rollon

DIENASTY9 · June 2015

The thing here is im pretty sure my sorc friends have told me they have heals, they also get larger gains from entropy and its morphs, theres at least options for a magicka build, and because of max mag increasing the heal effect you get better heals on those skills than i do when i am forced to use them. Fairly simple concept here, at least give players one option.

On to the whole 1v1 arguement, i can 1v1 abnormally well, but what merit does a 1v1 no heal dps build have in a zerg fest? ZERO. Theres no point to nightblades aside from pre determined 1v1 or gank parties. And this is a zerg based team tactic type game. Not a lone wolf hehe trololol game. If i actually played a nightblade as a respawn line ganker i would miss out on SSOO many AP. You cant compare a gankers ap gains to a zerg-er. If this was so hard for people to figure out im ashamed to be replying and i may as well stop trying. Stam nb is good 1v1 obviously, but in this type of pvp they are so gimped its ridiculous.

BuggeX · June 2015

DIENASTY9 wrote: »

The thing here is im pretty sure my sorc friends have told me they have heals, they also get larger gains from entropy and its morphs, theres at least options for a magicka build, and because of max mag increasing the heal effect you get better heals on those skills than i do when i am forced to use them. Fairly simple concept here, at least give players one option.

On to the whole 1v1 arguement, i can 1v1 abnormally well, but what merit does a 1v1 no heal dps build have in a zerg fest? ZERO. Theres no point to nightblades aside from pre determined 1v1 or gank parties. And this is a zerg based team tactic type game. Not a lone wolf hehe trololol game. If i actually played a nightblade as a respawn line ganker i would miss out on SSOO many AP. You cant compare a gankers ap gains to a zerg-er. If this was so hard for people to figure out im ashamed to be replying and i may as well stop trying. Stam nb is good 1v1 obviously, but in this type of pvp they are so gimped its ridiculous.

entropy heal 1,5k instant and 1,5k all 6 sec for 12 sec so 7k in 12 sec.

you have steel Tornado in zergs

bertenburnyb16_ESO · June 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

I love how people constantly claim stam nb is OP yet all I ever hear in game is that if you cant 1vX then you suck and Stam nb cant 1vX.

So which is it?

Stam nb only feels OP in specific circumstances.

Also...back on point...there are other classes that run stamina builds and would like a reasonably achievable Vigor.

Im already at rank 9 and having slowly gotten here I still want to cry thinking about the remaining 2 million AP I need.

Guess I better equip a restoration staff and zerg.

If you can't 1vX with a stamina NB you are doing it wrong.

Stamina NB 1vX? Roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll.

And keep rolling!

Phinix1 · June 2015

R0M2K wrote: »

PVE people wants Vigor nerfed to alliance lvl 5.... Can PvP people get then the Undaunted pasives to lvl 3 too?

This post makes me laugh. Most of the posts in this thread, in fact.

This whole discussion is a perfect example of the "I only want it because others can't have it" elitism that defines our simplistic "us vs. them" cookie jar psychology as a species.

murmur · June 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

I love how people constantly claim stam nb is OP yet all I ever hear in game is that if you cant 1vX then you suck and Stam nb cant 1vX.

So which is it?

Stam nb only feels OP in specific circumstances.

Also...back on point...there are other classes that run stamina builds and would like a reasonably achievable Vigor.

Im already at rank 9 and having slowly gotten here I still want to cry thinking about the remaining 2 million AP I need.

Guess I better equip a restoration staff and zerg.

If you can't 1vX with a stamina NB you are doing it wrong.

Stamina NB 1vX? Roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll, roll.

And keep rolling!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYnFIRc0k6E

Garion · June 2015

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

PVE people wants Vigor nerfed to alliance lvl 5.... Can PvP people get then the Undaunted pasives to lvl 3 too?

This post makes me laugh. Most of the posts in this thread, in fact.

This whole discussion is a perfect example of the "I only want it because others can't have it" elitism that defines our simplistic "us vs. them" cookie jar psychology as a species.

That, or we are sick of ZOS and their casual catering, which in turn makes PvP have zero reward past a certain point...

asteldian · June 2015

R0M2K wrote: »

PVE people wants Vigor nerfed to alliance lvl 5.... Can PvP people get then the Undaunted pasives to lvl 3 too?

Firstly, it is not just pvers that complained. Anyone who doesn't enjoy *** zerging wanted the change too because the requirement is stupidly excessive.

Secondly, I doubt any pvers would give a crap if undaunted was lvl 3, very few consider it a rite of passage that all must suffer through. Heck, competitve pvers would support the change so they don't have to waste time on alts getting to lvl 9.

Thirdly, 45 minutes a day for a few weeks to max undaunted is hardly comparable to the millions of xp required for rank 10.

Alcast · June 2015

R0M2K wrote: »

PVE people wants Vigor nerfed to alliance lvl 5.... Can PvP people get then the Undaunted pasives to lvl 3 too?

Who said that? Vigor is stuipdly OP in both PvP and PvE. If it goes to Ally lv 5 then we aint need no more healers in PvE.
I hope they will nerf it

ItsMeToo · June 2015

DIENASTY9 wrote: »

Not to mention how silly it is so suggest pots, you have no cooldown on your heals. Not only do i use stamina for every attack and sprinting and blocking ect, i use it for a heal too. That limits me to maybe once or twice a fight before im out dry. Try playing a stam nb before we start a whaaa riot

I am a stamina NB since Beta and I still say leave vigor at PvP rank 10. Use pots for healing.

DIENASTY9 · June 2015

ItsMeToo wrote: »

DIENASTY9 wrote: »

Not to mention how silly it is so suggest pots, you have no cooldown on your heals. Not only do i use stamina for every attack and sprinting and blocking ect, i use it for a heal too. That limits me to maybe once or twice a fight before im out dry. Try playing a stam nb before we start a whaaa riot

I am a stamina NB since Beta and I still say leave vigor at PvP rank 10. Use pots for healing.

Congrats? Im so glad to hear a nb likes to spend egregious amounts of gold on potions wbile other classes dont NEED to.

Again with the steel tornado zerging posts, no, i dont want to zerg, i would rather have an ability that actually allows me to play a lone wolf of sorts or at least pop a heal while sneaking behind a keep. The fact that i need to wait five times as long to get max health again in combat is silly. I dont mant to zerg, but i want a chance to fight a zerg party or at least make it back to my teammates.

And quite frankly, i wont lie, i dont want to see it nerffed into the ground, but IM OK with a nerf going from 8k max heal to more like 5-7k. It IS a very strong heal. Thats not the reason i want it. I simply want a burst stamina heal on my bar regardless of how op it is or isn't.