It is crazy rant.

We have champion system that gives something to do for people at 50 lvl. veteran ranks are just very dull and moronic way to prolong the game. Since right now doing cadwell silver gold is the only reliabale way to lvl past 50 many (me included) feel its a dull boring quest grind.

Go play a ''MOBA'' then, and enjoy a specular 10x10m map designed by a *** to play in, for years...lol.

Molsondry wrote: »

Frenkthevile wrote: »

Go play a ''MOBA'' then, and enjoy a specular 10x10m map designed by a *** to play in, for years...lol.

LOL

I already play moba! But I wanted to play eso pvp but current state of game makes me vomit each itme I go pvp. dont get me wrong I am vr 14 and I have 150 CP. And i think it really broken.

Look at wow I could go in right now and in a week be on par in pvp with anybody. Thats the meta , thats what players want. If this game goes towards champions points its gonna die . And thats the truth.

I'd rather not be able to be on the same level as people whose played for years in a week. Seems kind of pointless, Mmorpg's are mean't to be long. Yes there grindy, but if the end game content was small people would complain as well. It's not even the vet system all that does i enable different tiers of gear its the champion point system thats making the gap between people greater.

I don't have too much problems with anyone below vr14, it's just when you come across those people with 1k champion points...

Maybe put the vr14(those 1k cp people) in a separate campaign or such and then limit stats on normal campaigns.

Or even just make a campaign were cp don't work and everyone has the same stats, so it comes down to builds,blocks,skills,dodges etc.. and just overall player skill.

kongkim wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Frenkthevile wrote: »

Go play a ''MOBA'' then, and enjoy a specular 10x10m map designed by a *** to play in, for years...lol.

LOL

I already play moba! But I wanted to play eso pvp but current state of game makes me vomit each itme I go pvp. dont get me wrong I am vr 14 and I have 150 CP. And i think it really broken.

Look at wow I could go in right now and in a week be on par in pvp with anybody. Thats the meta , thats what players want. If this game goes towards champions points its gonna die . And thats the truth.

Its stupid to say it need to be more lidt moba games. its a MMO game and there is a large PvE part of the game also. Many don't care for the PvP in the game. But ofc. they need to find a balance between them. But people that play longer need to be better in a game lidt this.

But VR levels are jo plain boring and take to long and don't really benefit your chr. that much.

It also affect PVE dude . There are leaderboards. Players on the leaderboards get a reward each week for the weekly. Higher you are Higher the rewards is. How do you expectet new player to be in this leader board how do you want a new guild to even stand a chance . I also see the x CP requirement to be in the top guild if it stays like this . Not a single chance for new players in pve.

If you look at wow. You could have a full raid of new player level 1-100 and be almsot on par with everyone with gear in about 1mopnth and a half. Thats what players want.

kongkim wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Frenkthevile wrote: »

Go play a ''MOBA'' then, and enjoy a specular 10x10m map designed by a *** to play in, for years...lol.

LOL

I already play moba! But I wanted to play eso pvp but current state of game makes me vomit each itme I go pvp. dont get me wrong I am vr 14 and I have 150 CP. And i think it really broken.

Look at wow I could go in right now and in a week be on par in pvp with anybody. Thats the meta , thats what players want. If this game goes towards champions points its gonna die . And thats the truth.

Its stupid to say it need to be more lidt moba games. its a MMO game and there is a large PvE part of the game also. Many don't care for the PvP in the game. But ofc. they need to find a balance between them. But people that play longer need to be better in a game lidt this.

But VR levels are jo plain boring and take to long and don't really benefit your chr. that much.

Except MMO's arte the exception when it comes to PvP. Any game that has PvP is entirely based on skill and not level; any other type of PvP game that has a progression is really just teaching you the game for a week or two before you hit level cap.

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Frenkthevile wrote: »

Go play a ''MOBA'' then, and enjoy a specular 10x10m map designed by a *** to play in, for years...lol.

LOL

I already play moba! But I wanted to play eso pvp but current state of game makes me vomit each itme I go pvp. dont get me wrong I am vr 14 and I have 150 CP. And i think it really broken.

Look at wow I could go in right now and in a week be on par in pvp with anybody. Thats the meta , thats what players want. If this game goes towards champions points its gonna die . And thats the truth.

Its stupid to say it need to be more lidt moba games. its a MMO game and there is a large PvE part of the game also. Many don't care for the PvP in the game. But ofc. they need to find a balance between them. But people that play longer need to be better in a game lidt this.

But VR levels are jo plain boring and take to long and don't really benefit your chr. that much.

Except MMO's arte the exception when it comes to PvP. Any game that has PvP is entirely based on skill and not level; any other type of PvP game that has a progression is really just teaching you the game for a week or two before you hit level cap.

MMO is not a game style..MMO is a prefix that means the game is played with others online. The game is RPG. RPG games are all about character development and making your character stronger as you play. We are not gonna "murder" the RPG genre just because of pvp, which is the minority of almost all MMOs (see how pvp centered games have all failed, except eve which has a unique theme).

MMO is not a game, the game is the RPG. MMO can be a prefix for FPS, Strategy, Sport, Racing genre, but what defines the game is the genre.

Sorry but the rest of us who wanna play a true RPG game in massively environment, don't want to see our favorite genre turn into a different game (like it happened with other RPG MMOs like wow)

It was added as emergency endgame fix with Silver/Gold zones, at launch there wasnt Craglorn or anything really, only endgame was Cyrodil and its PVP only.

You guys need to relax and let Zen do their job. I predict one gotta go, whether its CP or VR is yet to see.

My dream is that they remove VR and put all alliance zones for everybody to grind for CPs. That would add tons tons of endgame. Basically you could repeat the zones/quests as much you want when you reach lvl 50. They could make events like double CP from all Stonefall quests, maybe once a week or so.

here is the issue if they changed it from VR ranks to just making the top lvl 64 no one would be complaining. It is just semantics calling them VR ranks however people can not seem to grasp that. Now when the game released once you hit lvl 50/vr1 you stopped getting attribute and skill points. So there was a reason to differentiate between lvl 50-64 ( 50-60) and vr1-14 (1-10) now there is not.

ChingChangChui wrote: »

This again may be silly, but why not have 2 servers (pve/pvp)? Pve for quester and the like who can progress on and on and (here's the silly part) be able to, at any point, take that character, go into the pvp server and have all stats (if fully progressed at level 50) the base /max stats and just play the huge game of risk? Which is awesome, btw.

If that was a viable option, it'd still be nice to be able to spend your sp the way you wanted to give SOME variety. Just sayin'

gaining cp, just like vet levels, isn't meaningful progress. The pve players I know are tired of cp and especially so as exploiters and grinders get an advantage in one of the few meaningful ways of judging skill, the leader boards.

We needed, and still do need, more quests, zones, trials, dungeons, and sets. We don't need another leveling up system (cp).

Many are crying but they do not see the picture.

You do understand if they remove VR there is going to be a pretty BIG part of the community that will react?

Atm, only those who remove VR can be heard, the rest do not care. So by taking as an example "what people want" of the handful or ranters in this forum, is not representative of what people want.

Is VR leveling tedius? Yes. Especially after VR10. They should have left it as it was at 12 last summer.
What would happen if they remove Cadwel silver/gold, as many of the anti-VR ranters "demand"?
Will we be restricted to 120SP only? What happened to those who have 290+ earned by Cadwel's quest lines?

The Champion system is the biggest mistake of ZoS in this game. At least VR14 can be achieved in few months and more or less all players are balanced and left them to compete at PVP based on their levels there. (like DAOC).
To gather up all the CP points and put them on a single char, except is designed for those without life, it has made the PVP aspect of the game, completely broken.

And a fact. EVERY SINGLE TIME, ZoS listened to ranters, they screw up their game.

a) Level 50 is too low, we need more. -> Here are the VR levels
b) We must not be restricted to one alliance -> Here are Cadwel's Silver/Gold
c) Remove softcaps -> Here is the Cyrodiil fragfest
d) Buff NBs we are weak (when they weren't) -> Here is the stealth fragfest and one shots
e) Nerf to oblivion x/y/z is to OP -> Khajiit got 2 passives reduced to dust, post release. DKs, Templars got serious nerfs on many abilities
f) We need better protection against magicka -> We cannot do enough damage due to the Nirn trait
g) Please fix our crits, we cannot crit people due to a trait -> change completely how the trait works so people can get 80%+ crits

Do you want me to continue?

ChingChangChui wrote: »

Hey,

So, if I understand correctly, people want the removal of VR ranks because other (lower VR ranks) can not be destroyed so easily? Plus... Something to do with the access of trials (dunno what they are).

Now if this is the case and I understand correctly, essentially you want to remove character progression? Shouldn't some beast man who has played the game for years deserve the right to be revered/feared by all nub nubs? Did he not earn it?

Example: If I played for 10 years I should need at least 25-30 nub nubs to take me out...

If this is just a crazy rant, feel free to let me know.

I'd say the issue is more of a general one in where veteran ranks divide the community too much and makes finding people for dungeons and other activities a bit messy especially with the champ system and the hunt for XP, VR14's don't want to be running dungeons scaled to VR2 and getting less xp than a quick VR10 delve run or dolmen would give.

That's the problem, because endgame has a leveling system attached to it it's not really endgame at all and an extension of the leveling process that was only put in place to keep us occupied until content was released and not put there to keep players together at what should be endgame in an MMO.

IMO level 50 should be the ultimate level cap, maybe a small CP requirement on things like DSA, trials, newer vet dungeons like CoA but nothing that forces players to grind 14 million xp to reach.

Many have commented already on the levelling and balance, so I'll comment on access.

When you hit Level 50, you have reached "level cap" and entered "endgame", only to find that it's a false summit as the endgame itself also involves levelling. Levelling through endgame is a contradiction.

What currently exists in endgame is a system which looks a bit like this:
New Level 50 -> Silver 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 -> Gold 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 -> Lower Crag -> Upper Crag -> PvP/Trials

What it should look like, which is what the removal of VRs should achieve, is this:
New Level 50 Player ---> ---> Experienced Level 50 Player
Silver 1 -> Silver 2 -> Silver 3 -> Silver 4 -> Silver 5
Gold 1 -> Gold 2 -> Gold 3 -> Gold 4 -> Gold 5
Lower Craglorn -> Upper Craglorn
First Trials -> Last Trial
PvP

Essentially, all gameplay options being available to any Veteran player. Yes, a new Level 50 should have a hard time completing the first Trials, but they should be able to try, rather than being forced to reach VR10 first. Someone who is adverse to completing Cadwell's Almanac should not feel forced to do it, and it should be there as an option of something to do, not an implied requirement to being viable for other endgame content like Craglorn and PvP.

ChingChangChui wrote: »

Hey,

So, if I understand correctly, people want the removal of VR ranks because other (lower VR ranks) can not be destroyed so easily? Plus... Something to do with the access of trials (dunno what they are).

Now if this is the case and I understand correctly, essentially you want to remove character progression? Shouldn't some beast man who has played the game for years deserve the right to be revered/feared by all nub nubs? Did he not earn it?

Example: If I played for 10 years I should need at least 25-30 nub nubs to take me out...

If this is just a crazy rant, feel free to let me know.

No, you've got it wrong. People want VR ranks removed because of the long, boring grind it takes to get from VR1 to VR14. Doing it once isn't so bad, but doing it for the all the alts you were FORCED to roll because of the countless nerfs and ever-shifting buff servers? Please... no more!

Character progression is now served by the the Champion system, which is like a 5+ year grind, anyway. Don't worry, you'll still be a demi-god after 10 years of ESO

I can't help but wonder how some players handle the horrific discovery that they are not allowed to run a multinational company within 2 weeks of starting a new job straight out of school... the shock that they have to learn stuff, do some work and earn progress must be very tough...