i always here ppl talking everywhere especially at the vamp and ww its a party there 24 7

mdhammond wrote: »

You don't see what my argument is? Then re read my statement. You can't compare halo to rpg fans and then apply it to all console gamers, wich you did. Most on console are rpg fans and want that tight knit community but cannot get it through voice chat thus far. I don't care how many maps you created or what you've achieved it dosnt change the fact that you made ignorant statements saying console gamers were mostly druggies or kids and that console gamers are incapable of having tight communities. My argument is plain as day if you can read, all console gamers are not halo or sports fanatics, we have a huge rpg fan base that wants adventure with others and immersion

I'd quit while your ahead. He clearly knows what he is talking about, and has the experience to back it up... on both platforms.

p.s it's laughable that you think that most playing ESO on a console are rpg fans. I'd wager while SOME are, for the vast majority a) ESO is their first mmo, and b) Skyrim was their first RPG. Nothing wrong with that either, it's just funny you think that crowd thirsts for a tight knit RPG community... one they have never experienced.

Not everybody wants to use voice chat, having their mic for a whole lotta strangers can feel as an invasion of privacy to people.
Seconly, close range voice chat doesn't work for everything, like looking for dungeon groups (not counting on the group tool for that) or trying to sell stuff outside of guildstores ....

dietlime wrote: »

I didn't say they all were, but those are some examples of people who gravitate not just towards console gaming, but away from PC gaming.

Also, I'm not desperate. My video game server is full right now, and actually at this moment they're playing a map I made. Using the same SDK the developers did. It's pretty legit, I spent like 200 hours on it.

I've met people I've gamed with in PC VOIP channel in real life just out of coincidence; that's how much more tight-knight we're talking. We're talking flight canceled so I go hang out with a total stranger I know all about already in a foreign city. I realize that's a pretty exceptional example, but it did happen.

I'm not sure what your argument is either, other than being a platform fanboy. I do have an Xbox One, we're about to play Destiny on it, myself and a couple people I know IRL. Even though they added VOIP to every Destiny game, and I ping every match, only twice in a hundred or more games has anyone replied. About a third of the time there's an open mic, though. I've probably been console gaming longer than you, I know better than anyone.

No real friendships are made with strangers on Xbox Live. Almost never. It's just a shifting sea of anonymous Gamertags, randomly served at the press of a button. Which is mechanically and functionally the penultimate opposite of filtering named/unique servers by ping, map, gametype, lobby status, etc. to identify the best fit and then "getting to know" the same "regulars" that always appear.

It just is what it is, there's nothing to get upset about.

I've been playing with a group of people I met on COD 4 since 2007. Even when I would play PC more than Xbox, I'd still wear my Xbox headset and join their party while I played some PC game with no sound. Of those 5 people, I've met 4 of them in real life. 2 of them have actually traveled hundreds of miles to stay with my girlfriend and I and even some of my friends from highschool who had become friends with them while playing in the same party throughout the years. We've all slowly quit playing games as much as we used to, but we still send text messages back and forth, make fantasy leagues together, trash talk our favorite teams when we play each other and act like we've known one another for years. I'm not sure what you're talking about, but a friendship is a friendship whether it be on PC or console or someone from work. Sounds like you're just the kind of guy that doesn't have very many of those, though.

My biggest problem is when group finder work it just pairs you up..it needs to teleport you to a dungeon. Without doing that everyone does their own thing and the group breaks apart. This is an easy fix that needs to happen.

usmcjr09 wrote: »

My biggest problem is when group finder work it just pairs you up..it needs to teleport you to a dungeon. Without doing that everyone does their own thing and the group breaks apart. This is an easy fix that needs to happen.

Agreed completely. Coming from a World of Warcraft background you take that sort of functionality for granted as it's been the status quo there for so long.

For TESO to STILL not be doing this was a big what the? moment for me.

I can't believe a 2015 MMO release doesn't support that sort of functionality in it.

Even free to play MMOs like Neverwinter do it flawlessly... it's laughably bad TESO can't get THAT right.

dlepi24 wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

I didn't say they all were, but those are some examples of people who gravitate not just towards console gaming, but away from PC gaming.

Also, I'm not desperate. My video game server is full right now, and actually at this moment they're playing a map I made. Using the same SDK the developers did. It's pretty legit, I spent like 200 hours on it.

I've met people I've gamed with in PC VOIP channel in real life just out of coincidence; that's how much more tight-knight we're talking. We're talking flight canceled so I go hang out with a total stranger I know all about already in a foreign city. I realize that's a pretty exceptional example, but it did happen.

I'm not sure what your argument is either, other than being a platform fanboy. I do have an Xbox One, we're about to play Destiny on it, myself and a couple people I know IRL. Even though they added VOIP to every Destiny game, and I ping every match, only twice in a hundred or more games has anyone replied. About a third of the time there's an open mic, though. I've probably been console gaming longer than you, I know better than anyone.

No real friendships are made with strangers on Xbox Live. Almost never. It's just a shifting sea of anonymous Gamertags, randomly served at the press of a button. Which is mechanically and functionally the penultimate opposite of filtering named/unique servers by ping, map, gametype, lobby status, etc. to identify the best fit and then "getting to know" the same "regulars" that always appear.

It just is what it is, there's nothing to get upset about.

I've been playing with a group of people I met on COD 4 since 2007. Even when I would play PC more than Xbox, I'd still wear my Xbox headset and join their party while I played some PC game with no sound. Of those 5 people, I've met 4 of them in real life. 2 of them have actually traveled hundreds of miles to stay with my girlfriend and I and even some of my friends from highschool who had become friends with them while playing in the same party throughout the years. We've all slowly quit playing games as much as we used to, but we still send text messages back and forth, make fantasy leagues together, trash talk our favorite teams when we play each other and act like we've known one another for years. I'm not sure what you're talking about, but a friendship is a friendship whether it be on PC or console or someone from work. Sounds like you're just the kind of guy that doesn't have very many of those, though.

You sort of proved part of his point, he said almost never making true friendship.

So you are close friends with 5 people out of what? 100,000 people you probably have played over the last 7/8 years? That is the definition of very rare.

Personally outside of my BF2 clan I was in back in college (which I lost touch with and was on PC) I have never made friends on Xbox Live but what I have done is become friends with friends of friends. What do I mean? Friends or people at work would invite people they know to play and over time you become friends with them at least for video gaming.

Personally I think its worse on PC as at least on Xbox everyone is there for a one night stand when your playing but on PC everyone is jumping around to the next long term relationship every week. The point of the example is with a good queue system (possibly a billboard outside of the dungeons that opens up the grouping tool) console players can be far superior for pick up and play as everyone is looking to get into the action. On PC though there is so many clichés its like the movie Mean Girls.

By the way most PC players are not elitist and will invite new people into their group but the issue is being that new guy/gal in a clan of 50-100 people. It doesnt lend itself to randomly matching up to run a dungeon.

Text chat NEEDS to be supported. I'm relativity new to MMO's and my only real experience playing one would be DCUO. Which I played for a good couple years. And to be honest I couldn't imagine playing that game for nearly as long without text chat. Voice chat is fine once you get into a group but for open world and in towns how do you NOT have text chat?

Again not being super familiar to MMO's but I'm guessing the draw to them is interacting with other players and at the very core of that interaction is communication. Playing DCUO, I've met several people that I would consider online friends, we not only play DCUO but many other games together as well. And it all started with me just typing "Healer CR30 - LFG" in the world chat.

I'm really loving ESO, I think the world is great, the combat is fun and the questing has been fantastic but I honestly feel like I'm playing a single player game here. Which hasn't really been a problem so far till now. I'm only level 17 (lol i've been playing since ESO came out but I keep remaking my char) and solo questing has been fine but now that I'm trying to do open world group bosses or dungeons I'm finding it next to impossible to get into a group.

I've tried the group finder and for the most part nothing happens. I've tried waiting outside group bosses for people to come by and nothing, I've gone into town hopelessly wondering around asking random people on voice chat (which feels freakin weird) if they want to group up and I get no response. Also half the time I HAVE to turn mics off because as people have said 90% of the people you hear on voice aren't actually talking but it's just random background noises.

On a personal note, I work graveyards and tend to play when my GF and son have already gone to bed and since we live in a relativity small apartment I can't be using the mic at 3am because they have work and school to go to in the morning.

I honestly can't fathom why ESO doesn't have Text chat. In a game where communication is 100% required and key to ones playing experience and enjoyment. Whether it's voice OR text, to remove and not include it on the console, especially since it's on the PC version is purely aggravating. I sincerely hope this changes because like I said I am really enjoying the game but I can see this issue becoming more and more apparent as I continue to level up.

Anyways sorry for the long post

lsneakl wrote: »

dlepi24 wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

I didn't say they all were, but those are some examples of people who gravitate not just towards console gaming, but away from PC gaming.

Also, I'm not desperate. My video game server is full right now, and actually at this moment they're playing a map I made. Using the same SDK the developers did. It's pretty legit, I spent like 200 hours on it.

I've met people I've gamed with in PC VOIP channel in real life just out of coincidence; that's how much more tight-knight we're talking. We're talking flight canceled so I go hang out with a total stranger I know all about already in a foreign city. I realize that's a pretty exceptional example, but it did happen.

I'm not sure what your argument is either, other than being a platform fanboy. I do have an Xbox One, we're about to play Destiny on it, myself and a couple people I know IRL. Even though they added VOIP to every Destiny game, and I ping every match, only twice in a hundred or more games has anyone replied. About a third of the time there's an open mic, though. I've probably been console gaming longer than you, I know better than anyone.

No real friendships are made with strangers on Xbox Live. Almost never. It's just a shifting sea of anonymous Gamertags, randomly served at the press of a button. Which is mechanically and functionally the penultimate opposite of filtering named/unique servers by ping, map, gametype, lobby status, etc. to identify the best fit and then "getting to know" the same "regulars" that always appear.

It just is what it is, there's nothing to get upset about.

I've been playing with a group of people I met on COD 4 since 2007. Even when I would play PC more than Xbox, I'd still wear my Xbox headset and join their party while I played some PC game with no sound. Of those 5 people, I've met 4 of them in real life. 2 of them have actually traveled hundreds of miles to stay with my girlfriend and I and even some of my friends from highschool who had become friends with them while playing in the same party throughout the years. We've all slowly quit playing games as much as we used to, but we still send text messages back and forth, make fantasy leagues together, trash talk our favorite teams when we play each other and act like we've known one another for years. I'm not sure what you're talking about, but a friendship is a friendship whether it be on PC or console or someone from work. Sounds like you're just the kind of guy that doesn't have very many of those, though.

You sort of proved part of his point, he said almost never making true friendship.

So you are close friends with 5 people out of what? 100,000 people you probably have played over the last 7/8 years? That is the definition of very rare.

So just like real life. How many close friends do people usually have compared to the number of people we interact with every day?

nastuug wrote: »

Viktoras wrote: »

Meanwhile Reddit is spamming threads to tell people to shut off their mics because its annoying.

And people actually thought the kiddies wouldn't cause problems in a voice-only chat in this type of game... lol.

"Kiddies" aren't the only ones blasting music through their mics and definitely not the ones who talk to their spouse/partner/child with half of town listening.

We really need to stop generalizing the "kids" in this game. I'm 44 and seriously the worst offenders i've heard on the mics has been players that sound strangely mature in the age department. Can we replace the word kids with immature? Not only is that much more appropriate but can apply to any demographic.

That being said , I can use a headset/mic but choose to rarely do so as my dogs would have the thing going off constantly. Maybe the more expensive sets have a bit more offerings sensitivity-wise , but I'm stuck with what my kids used to have a long time ago. I have serious medical expendatures so making it month to month is hard most times. Needless to say , that shiny set of Turtle Beach is off limits.

We live directly across from the neighborhood park and as soon as the snow melts the basketball courts are packed sometimes from pre-sunup til nearly 2am. This drives my dogs nut , which drives me nuts but i'm used to it. I'm sure noone else wants to hear them. I only use vc when my brother wants to group. Otherwise i'm stuck soloing or farming mats.

Between these issues this game was a godsend being ftp. This was the whole reason I even got the Ps4 at launch. At the time my pc was running fine so when they pushed this game back so many times it prompted me to try the beta on pc which was flawed but exceeded my expectations. It was something I could see making it and coexisting alongside WoW. The lack of any text chat makes me forget i'm even playing online sometimes and I wish it felt more like a getting to know others online game but it really doesn't yet. I'd like to interact with others but i'm kinda stuck not having much of a choice at this time and the forseeable future.

FelixTheCatt wrote: »

We really need to stop generalizing the "kids" in this game. I'm 44 and seriously the worst offenders i've heard on the mics has been players that sound strangely mature in the age department. Can we replace the word kids with immature? Not only is that much more appropriate but can apply to any demographic.

That being said , I can use a headset/mic but choose to rarely do so as my dogs would have the thing going off constantly. Maybe the more expensive sets have a bit more offerings sensitivity-wise , but I'm stuck with what my kids used to have a long time ago. I have serious medical expendatures so making it month to month is hard most times. Needless to say , that shiny set of Turtle Beach is off limits.

We live directly across from the neighborhood park and as soon as the snow melts the basketball courts are packed sometimes from pre-sunup til nearly 2am. This drives my dogs nut , which drives me nuts but i'm used to it. I'm sure noone else wants to hear them. I only use vc when my brother wants to group. Otherwise i'm stuck soloing or farming mats.

Between these issues this game was a godsend being ftp. This was the whole reason I even got the Ps4 at launch. At the time my pc was running fine so when they pushed this game back so many times it prompted me to try the beta on pc which was flawed but exceeded my expectations. It was something I could see making it and coexisting alongside WoW. The lack of any text chat makes me forget i'm even playing online sometimes and I wish it felt more like a getting to know others online game but it really doesn't yet. I'd like to interact with others but i'm kinda stuck not having much of a choice at this time and the forseeable future.

Actually anyone who acts like that is labeled as a "kid/child/***" in my book. It doesn't matter what you generalize them as. The point is that filth is ridiculously annoying to listen to.

And since you're on the topic of making sure we avoid incorrect generalizations, the game isn't Free-to-Play...