I love cyrodiil but..

Bfish22090 · June 2015

It's not possible for a v1 to be equal to a v14 because top tier gear inlant easily available at v1.
Example. Shadow walker, morag tong

VincentBlanquin · June 2015

WebBull wrote: »

All I hear is, I want to be as powerful as a V14 who has been playing the game for a year but I am only V2. ZOS make this happen.

Why? You should be dying to someone 12 level higher than you.

What ZOS should do is make one of the lower pop campaigns have a cap of V7.

precisely, there needs to be campaign for vr1 - vr13. its not about vr2 cant be killed by vr14. but there are vr14 that are invincible, these should be separated from newbies

i hope the game motto "learn how to counterstrike others" will be soon over. and no, its not about i can do that so delete it from the game. the game is rpg not fps

Stories-Bones-Tell · June 2015

qreftanb16_ESO wrote: »

by a coward stealthing around.

Just out of curiosity, do you yell out "CHEAP!" when you lose a 1 v 1?

P3ZZL3 · June 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In a future patch we plan on allowing Veteran Rank players to opt into Battle-leveling if they want to which will help with the power gap. Besides that, the combat team is aware of the disparity between Vet 14 and Vet 1 players and looking to make that less painful.

Agree with the others comments @ZOS_BrianWheeler - Great to see you here and in the other threads

jkemmery · June 2015

The PvP in this game is a bit ridiculous, really. For example, someone can be invisible just by crouching down? No magic, just crouch down and "sneak", no one can see you. Seriously? The difference between a VR1 and a VR14 is probably about twice as much as the difference between a level 1 and a VR1, so at the low level VR ranks, you are going to die a lot. A LOT! By the time you get to VR7 or so, you will finally hit a 1 to 1 ratio between kills and deaths. VR 14 has access to much better weapons and armor, even if their naked stats aren't much higher. Also, I believe that in Cyrodiil there are buffs for higher Alliance Ranks, but I'm not sure. Still, if you're a newbie, you're literally meat on the table for the vets: they target you for an easy kill. This is why ESO:Cyrodiil is often referred to as "Equestrian Simulator Online" because all you do is ride to battle, die, spawn somewhere far away and ride back, die, .... etc ... If you find a decent guild you can run with, you can get involved in some groups where you stand a better chance of living and getting some kills in, advancing your alliance rank and get to the point where you are able to do as much killing as dying. If you care to stick it out. It can become tedious. I personally got tired of sieges and zergs and took a bit of a break from it to level up a bit more. To be successful you need to invest in strong enchantments for your gear, not the white enchantments you can just buy from the vendor, and some good food for buffs, as well as high level armor and weapons. Learn enough traits and find the stations to craft a named set of gear, buff them up to all purple at least, buy some of the Alliance war buff gear or jewelry, buy some strong enchantments from a guild store, or contract someone to make some for you, or level up your enchanting and make them yourself. You have to do all of these things to get to where you can compete with the veterans in Cyrodiil, because that is what they do too.

nastuug · June 2015

jkemmery wrote: »

The PvP in this game is a bit ridiculous, really. For example, someone can be invisible just by crouching down? No magic, just crouch down and "sneak", no one can see you. Seriously? The difference between a VR1 and a VR14 is probably about twice as much as the difference between a level 1 and a VR1, so at the low level VR ranks, you are going to die a lot. A LOT! <snip>

When you hit VR14, you're still going to die "A LOT!"

Zerg = win. Solo = trolol.

Leandor · June 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

You probably have the major breach debuff on you which makes the snipes ignore most of your armor.

The gankers often have increased stealth damage + auto-crit from stealth + debuffs with very high weapon damage. This makes some snipes hit for insane high damage numbers.

Major fracture is worth ~5100 armor reduction. On a tank over physical mitigation cap, this probably doesn't even dent mitigation. If any, it is in combination with CP and/or a spell penetration build in combination with lethal arrow instead of focussed aim (that morph changes to poison damage which is spell resist).

Hits from stealth always crit, no matter build and class. Empower can also be used by every class, as can major sorcery or major brutality. These high hits take a lot of preparation and are not something pulled out of yer arse on the spot. It also requires a very specific build and usually results in a dead DD if you manage to catch him.

jkemmery · June 2015

nastuug wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

The PvP in this game is a bit ridiculous, really. For example, someone can be invisible just by crouching down? No magic, just crouch down and "sneak", no one can see you. Seriously? The difference between a VR1 and a VR14 is probably about twice as much as the difference between a level 1 and a VR1, so at the low level VR ranks, you are going to die a lot. A LOT! <snip>

When you hit VR14, you're still going to die "A LOT!"

Zerg = win. Solo = trolol.

The V14s in my guild only die when we all get wiped. With a big and good enough guild, they can go for days without dying. I watched one of our nighblades take on 7 enemies over my corpse and wipe them all out. Then resurrected me. They were all VR7 - 10s.

Gamertaglemieux · June 2015

qreftanb16_ESO wrote: »

How are you supposed to play pvp when you're VR rank 2 / champion rank 5?

I remember quitting, before the champion patch, because you could never compete with the VR12 players.
I came back to try out the new patch because I thought the old VR system was removed and people were more equal now but oh boy was I wrong. The first thing that happened when I stepped in to Cyrodiil was me getting one-shotted by a coward stealthing around.

Is there a even bigger gap now between the low ranks and the high ranks?

Am I forced to quest my way up to highest VR / champion to even think of playing pvp? Is questing the only way to go to level up?

I feel your pain.

I went into PvP the moment I turned level 10 because was excited and curious to try it.

But after numerous times of getting one shotted, only to respawn, ride a horse for at least two minutes only to be one shotted yet again. I said forget this. Quit Cyrodil. Never went back.

Simply was not enjoyable for me at all.

AshTal · June 2015

I really enjoyed the non VET PVP but VET PVP is just terrible. I am all in favour of people who have worked hard having an advantage but there is a big difference between an advantage and being able to one shot another player. Or where I hit someone with everything I have and do 10% damage to their health bar.

I agree with some of the suggestions have a VET 1 - 10 map. At least then we would not be up against the uber VET 14's instantly and give people an option to level through PVP and not have to play Cadwells Silver and Gold for the 3rd time just to be able to get back into PvP.

Robbmrp · June 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In a future patch we plan on allowing Veteran Rank players to opt into Battle-leveling if they want to which will help with the power gap. Besides that, the combat team is aware of the disparity between Vet 14 and Vet 1 players and looking to make that less painful.

Hello @ZOS_BrianWheeler, for this "Battle-leveling" that you mention, will it also take into account someones Champion points? The reason I ask, is a V14 with 70 CP will have a hard time fighting a V14 with 300 CP. Anyone in the low Vet ranks won't stand a chance even with the "Battle-Leveling" if it doesn't compensate for CP also.

Thank you for your time.

Robbmrp · June 2015

WebBull wrote: »

All I hear is, I want to be as powerful as a V14 who has been playing the game for a year but I am only V2. ZOS make this happen.

Why? You should be dying to someone 12 level higher than you.

What ZOS should do is make one of the lower pop campaigns have a cap of V7.

The whole point to "Battle-Leveling" is to make lower level players equal to the higher level ones so they can stand a chance. A V14 would be more skilled in PVP anyway and should win, but should not be considered a GOD and kill people with 1-2 hits.

If they aren't going to equalize players then they should separate all of the Campaigns so that they are based on level like other MMO's. 1-10, 10-20, 30-40, 40-50, V1-V7 and V8-V14.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · June 2015

CP points stack on top of Battle-level stats regardless of whether you're Vet or Non-Vet.

Example: Battle-level'ed a character has Health recovery of 363. With champion points put into Healthy (health) Recovery, 480 now.

c0rp · June 2015

Bfish22090 wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In a future patch we plan on allowing Veteran Rank players to opt into Battle-leveling if they want to which will help with the power gap. Besides that, the combat team is aware of the disparity between Vet 14 and Vet 1 players and looking to make that less painful.

Why would you introduce veteran battle leveling when you're removing veteran ranks?

The moment I saw battle leveling mentioned for Vet pvp..I knew that the removal of vet ranks will never be happening. It will bite ZoS in the ass too, because all these new console players are going to be quitting just like half the PC base did when they got to vet content.

pecheckler · June 2015

It's PvP. Playing the game for however many hundreds of hours beyond someone else should not yield a power advantage. That is why MOBA, shooter, and sports games are so popular. Competitive gameplay should be fair. ZOS needs to take a hint from guild wars 2's structured PvP. I can return to that game after a year of not playing and still jump into PvP and wreck enemies because it is 100% skill based.

Cyrodiil's PvP archetype has nothing to do with player "skill" unless you're referring to a player's ability to create teams, lead, and coordinate strategy. From a more traditional interpretation of individual combat skill it's almost entirely irrelevant. Gear stats and champion point quantity is all that matters.

ESO needs to not entirely equalize stats but definitely needs to move towards stat normailzation to put players within a reasonable range of eachother. For example three level VR1 players should never lose to a single VR14 player in a 1v3 encounter. That's just absurd. Yet what we have right now is a single VR14 player with 2 million gold worth of gear and 500 champion points wiping the floor with their enemies in a 1v20 encounter against non-vets or even 1v10 encounter versus low-level vet players. These situations are extremely demoralizing and players still stop participating in Cyrodiil PvP in short order when faced with the same situations over and over again.

k2blader · June 2015

qreftanb16_ESO wrote: »

Is there a even bigger gap now between the low ranks and the high ranks?

Yes. Even at the same level, say VR14, there is a significant power gap due to CPs. People who don't play the game to grind CPs mindlessly, typically via PvE, will always be at a large disadvantage.

Am I forced to quest my way up to highest VR / champion to even think of playing pvp? Is questing the only way to go to level up?

No. In fact I'd recommend you PvP even with the disadvantages because it'll help you learn survival methods. It's really irksome to see fresh VR14s come into Cyrodiil and think just because they're VR14 they can kill anyone or multiple people at the same time, use no defensive abilities or strats, then die fast all the time and waste other people's soul gems.

Supposedly Zeni will be adding a veteran battle level option which could help newer VRs adjust to vet PvP. But assuming that works-- which I'm dubious about-- there remains the problem of CP differential.

edit: typos

Prabooo · June 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In a future patch we plan on allowing Veteran Rank players to opt into Battle-leveling if they want to which will help with the power gap. Besides that, the combat team is aware of the disparity between Vet 14 and Vet 1 players and looking to make that less painful.

Isn't this "disparity" between a V14 and a V1 because of the fact that you have invested more time and energy on leveling? People whining about having VR's removed won't last more than three months playing and then abandon... ZENIMAX: Please realize that the people who will invest in the game are people who actually PLAY the game, and are not V1's with no CP's complaining because they get one-shotted in Cyrodiil by a V14 with 200+ CP's

k2blader · June 2015

Prabooo wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In a future patch we plan on allowing Veteran Rank players to opt into Battle-leveling if they want to which will help with the power gap. Besides that, the combat team is aware of the disparity between Vet 14 and Vet 1 players and looking to make that less painful.

Isn't this "disparity" between a V14 and a V1 because of the fact that you have invested more time and energy on leveling? People whining about having VR's removed won't last more than three months playing and then abandon... ZENIMAX: Please realize that the people who will invest in the game are people who actually PLAY the game, and are not V1's with no CP's complaining because they get one-shotted in Cyrodiil by a V14 with 200+ CP's

You don't get it. Zeni and most any thinking person wants *more* people to play Cyrodiil, not fewer. You seriously think more people will want to PvP against people who have the attitude "I've been playing a year longer than you and deserve to smash you in one second, every time, for perpetuity"?

If things go your way, which is entirely possible, enjoy your 1 bar pops of randomly roaming I'm-so-leet arseholes lucky to finish a kill quest in an hour. lol

Messy1 · June 2015

Thank you Brian Wheeler for responding, I hope that PvP goes through some changes and continues to get better. It's fun, but there are still some balance issues and also I can't wait for more PvP scenarios and tactics areound Tamriel.

BRogueNZ · June 2015

Prabooo wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In a future patch we plan on allowing Veteran Rank players to opt into Battle-leveling if they want to which will help with the power gap. Besides that, the combat team is aware of the disparity between Vet 14 and Vet 1 players and looking to make that less painful.

Isn't this "disparity" between a V14 and a V1 because of the fact that you have invested more time and energy on leveling? People whining about having VR's removed won't last more than three months playing and then abandon... ZENIMAX: Please realize that the people who will invest in the game are people who actually PLAY the game, and are not V1's with no CP's complaining because they get one-shotted in Cyrodiil by a V14 with 200+ CP's

Codswallop

Molsondry · June 2015

There is no way to catch up to the players that has 400 champions and they are about 30% stronger then you are even if you had the same gear /lvl . Champions points is broken.

Molsondry · June 2015

Prabooo wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In a future patch we plan on allowing Veteran Rank players to opt into Battle-leveling if they want to which will help with the power gap. Besides that, the combat team is aware of the disparity between Vet 14 and Vet 1 players and looking to make that less painful.

Isn't this "disparity" between a V14 and a V1 because of the fact that you have invested more time and energy on leveling? People whining about having VR's removed won't last more than three months playing and then abandon... ZENIMAX: Please realize that the people who will invest in the game are people who actually PLAY the game, and are not V1's with no CP's complaining because they get one-shotted in Cyrodiil by a V14 with 200+ CP's

Look at the current meta Look at LOL, DOTA2, WoW, HOTS. look how those game are popular and makes tons lots more money then eso yet even if they are F2P(not wow). Do you see in any of these game broken mechanics like the champions points that makes catch up almost impossible?

To have the best comparision , WoW, most played mmo with pvp in it. Its about the end of the season right now. I could go in get a lvl 100 in a week, get max pvp gear in 3 days and after that get myself up to 2.6k mmr if I had the skills . THAT IS THE META. That is what players want. Thats also why WoW is the most played MMO they have great catchup mechanics where you can be on par with everyon in pvp within a week or 2 and you can be on par in pve within a month or 2 at what ever time you start in the patch!!!!!!!

Eso will die if they go towards the way you think is good.

Egonieser · June 2015

The most obvious solutions i see to this problem is:

1: Disable Champion Points upon entering Cyrodiil
2: Take LoTRO's example for pvp-specific gear. For example - make best pvp gear available only at Cyrodiil vendors for a reasonable amount of AP. The bonuses would only apply only in Cyrodiil and not outside in the world (apart from the item's base stats like armour/trait/enchant) That way even new players can be on-par gear-wise relatively soon'ish. And lets face it, getting AP is easy even if you are low rank. AND other way around. Top end PvE gear would be inferior than PvP gear in Cyrodiil, but ONLY in CYRODIIL.

Oldschool pvp junkies who got used to destroy everyone with a few hits will complain and cry murder about how unfair it is that they had to put 29 hours a day and 699 days a year, and ask ZoS a $1403 refund for the energy drinks, coffee and doritos they used up while achieving this goal only to be forced to rely on their skill rather than no-lifing mechanics, which let's face it is fair and dandy in PvE, leaderboards etc where it actually is relevant. But PvP is a competitive, skill-based environment above all else and should remain as such, regardless whether you spent 22 years grinding or 3 weeks. If the 3-weeker has more skill than the OVER 9000!! guy, then he deserves to get rekt rightfully so.

Prabooo · June 2015

Egonieser wrote: »

If the 3-weeker has more skill than the OVER 9000!! guy, then he deserves to get rekt rightfully so.

so what is the whole point of levelling? Even in Alliance War there are Ranks... It is logical to have a progression and advantages over other characters if you have invested more time in learning the skills and crafting/looting the gear you need to be COMPETITIVE

qsnoopyjr · June 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

atm, everthing can one-two hit everthing with the right Setup.
i Play v14 tank dk with lot of hp armor/spell armor and still get twohitted from archers, ist just a retarted Balance between offence and deffence

Then you've got something set up wrong.

Playing in 2 of the Campaigns in VR mode and there are more than enough players who take way for than 1 or 2 shots to take down.

Usally i dont die vs 4-5 Players, but still sometimes (if im not in block) i get 2 Hits from Snipe with a dmg from 14-17k
I have 30k Hp and 32k Armor.
Still dont know if this is just a bug/lag, Hack, Exploit, or just OP combinations from Sets

edit: since the update with bufffood it is even worse.

A good sniper will always kill you in 1 or 2 hits.

Think of it like this. You could be fully wearing bulletproof armor. heck explosive proof armor.

A headshot is a headshot.
An eye shot is an eyeshot.
1 to 2 hits u dead period.

You be fighting a giant.
Volleying him/ hitting him everywhere.
Just tickling him, hes got wayyy too much hp and his thickness/armor too great for u.
...
Snipe/aim at his nuts.
Giant trembles.

You ever seen someone get hit in the nuts?
Instantly they down and out.

...
Is sniping cheap?
Yes, you basically hit someone when they wasn't expecting it.
Just like a cheap shot to the nuts.

Molsondry · June 2015

Prabooo wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

If the 3-weeker has more skill than the OVER 9000!! guy, then he deserves to get rekt rightfully so.

so what is the whole point of levelling? Even in Alliance War there are Ranks... It is logical to have a progression and advantages over other characters if you have invested more time in learning the skills and crafting/looting the gear you need to be COMPETITIVE

Look at this guy Gear and competitive in the same sentence.

THE BIGGEST AND MOST LUCRATIVE GAMES IN THE MARKET (they are F2p btw.. lol) have some some kind of progression . But that guy is right its only a 4 week progrssion to be on par , just enough time to learn the basic.

No game with pvp will be succesfull with a champion system style progression.

Turelus · June 2015

For the comments on PVP gear and sets, please don't make this like many other MMO's where the only thing needed is to PVP and get the "best" PVP set via your earnings and have that armour be useless everywhere else because of the PVP stats on it.

One of the things that myself and many other players love about this game is the fact that gear/skills/attributes/CP actually work towards builds which require some thinking or tweaking depending on your style.
I have played the other games where the only reason you equip and item is because it gives more stats, the set bonuses here are really fun to theory crafting new builds you see the popular sets change each large patch.

Personally I don't understand the want for battle levelling here, I was killing VR 14 players on my VR 1 in Crackwood Cave with a PVE build, because I have done enough PVP to know when to use shields, when to roll and when to attack. Player skill is much more important than player level in ESO and you can notice that.

Battle leveling is happening though so I won't debate it any more than has been done.

Also a huge thank you to @ZOS_BrianWheeler for taking the time to muck in a post here on the forums, this is the kind of dev interactions I have been speaking about in many of my long rant posts.

Molsondry · June 2015

Turelus wrote: »

For the comments on PVP gear and sets, please don't make this like many other MMO's where the only thing needed is to PVP and get the "best" PVP set via your earnings and have that armour be useless everywhere else because of the PVP stats on it.

One of the things that myself and many other players love about this game is the fact that gear/skills/attributes/CP actually work towards builds which require some thinking or tweaking depending on your style.
I have played the other games where the only reason you equip and item is because it gives more stats, the set bonuses here are really fun to theory crafting new builds you see the popular sets change each large patch.

Personally I don't understand the want for battle levelling here, I was killing VR 14 players on my VR 1 in Crackwood Cave with a PVE build, because I have done enough PVP to know when to use shields, when to roll and when to attack. Player skill is much more important than player level in ESO and you can notice that.

Battle leveling is happening though so I won't debate it any more than has been done.

Also a huge thank you to @ZOS_BrianWheeler for taking the time to muck in a post here on the forums, this is the kind of dev interactions I have been speaking about in many of my long rant posts.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever done competitve pvp. I dont think so. If you had ever done some , you wouldnt be talking about killing a vr14 pve noob grinding in the best spot in the game. Not to mention you probly have 200 + champion points to help you out if this guy has 50 or less and you have 200 even if he is vr 14 and your 1 equal gear even a vr 1 200 champion is stronger then a vr14 50 champion points . lol

Right now a vr 1 alt with 200 champion point and 2 million gold for gear is stornger then any new vr 14 with normal gear and avg cp. thats how the game is broken right now. And yes you can easely buy gold for this gaame on the net and the chances you get banned for it are very very very very low. . (yes im pointing out the B2W with Nirn (broken op)expensive gear and legendary expensive mats attainable with gold not to mention most of best in game gear can be baught with gold also !! And this is really really really wrong alot more gear need to be Bound on pickup so does the legedanry mats for upgrade!!!!)

Heruthema · June 2015

If battle leveling happens what would be the point of working hard to improve your character? Why does ZOS listen to the 'I want it NOW and I do not want to work for it' crowd? @ZOS here's an idea make a campaign for VR1-8 only like the non-vet campaign? Why should I be penalized because someone does not want to put in the time to get their character ready for Cyrodiil?
I have worked/played hard to get my CP and get my characters up to 14 so that I can survive Cyrodill and now a NOOB at VR1 will be at my same level? They have already dummied down the PvE areas so that you could do it sleeping. Now lets do it to PvP.

Prabooo · June 2015

Heruthema wrote: »

If battle leveling happens what would be the point of working hard to improve your character? Why does ZOS listen to the 'I want it NOW and I do not want to work for it' crowd? @ZOS here's an idea make a campaign for VR1-8 only like the non-vet campaign? Why should I be penalized because someone does not want to put in the time to get their character ready for Cyrodiil?
I have worked/played hard to get my CP and get my characters up to 14 so that I can survive Cyrodill and now a NOOB at VR1 will be at my same level? They have already dummied down the PvE areas so that you could do it sleeping. Now lets do it to PvP.

Exactly ... some guys just want to keep making the game dumb and pointless...