Never . ZOS decided that stamina is the way to go since everyone and their granny wants to be a duel derp + blow rouge type character.Expect more nerfs to magicka skills and survivability.

Also in before idiot talking about bathrobes , pajamas and sticks thinking he is funny.

Well, fair should be fair.

Revert impulse and talons then, and uncap inhale again (or at least cap it at 6 like sap essence)

I'm having 5+ Steel Tornado on death recap pretty consistently now when run over by a train. But we all knew this day would come.

There's 2 skills in 1.6 that needs toning down. That is Proxi Detonation and Steel Tornado.

Not sure what's worse. What genius came up with the idea of a stamina based AoE execute with 12 meters range, when the game requires you to stack on flags in PvP?

Than there's the design and burst of Proxi. I've been one shot by Proxi Detonation while having 50k spell res . You can stack up every dmg buff in the game, than bolt or sneak in and explode for over 20-25k while dropping ulti simultaneously, finishing who ever is left standing.

Magicka Detonation was suppose to break up zerg-blobs, but it's rather used by zerg-blobs to farm a lot of AP. Hardly a surprise. Public groups and randoms generally sucks when it comes to applying the latest fotm cheese.

However, Proxi bombing actually requires a bit of skill, sneaky and timing. This while Tornado is just spamstackoncrown, Impulse train 1.2 here I come, but with another build.

So you guys already gimped Impulse and totally ruined Wall of Elements... now you're going after the only useful abillity in the Dual Wield line? Do you all play chess with only pawns because it's more "balanced"?

PvP is destroying ESO.

eliisra wrote: »

There's 2 skills in 1.6 that needs toning down. That is Proxi Detonation and Steel Tornado

My main (magicka sorc) is optimized around Proxi bombs. My future main (stamina NB) is designed to spam Tornado.

And I agree with you completely. I generally play in organized guild groups, and that's what gameplay has become. Timed proxi bombs and steel tornado spam. Because I wear lots of nirn, the former don't really hurt me, but these two abilities, in general, dominate PvP to an extent that makes it less varied and fun.

What's this proxi detonation anyways?

So I know this is slightly off topic, but how would people feel if proxy detination also damaged the user a little bit? It's mostly squishy builds that use it and would add more risk to its use. I've not really thought this through, the idea just popped into my head.

Nah, they should just acknowledge proximity and inevitable detonations for the blunders they are and remove them from the game again. Even though they are fun to use, PvP was better before them, and given the fact that they work opposite of their intention speaks loudly enough to warrant a removal.

I agree with Flintstone, seen so many mmo classes in previous games get totally destroyed due to"pvp balance"changes, gets very annoying.

On entering pvp all skills should be removed, just leaving normal attack and block, all armour and weapons become the same.then even though there will still be whining about it being unfair, we will all know its fair and it won't affect everyone else;)

flintstone wrote: »

Any PVP skill nerfs should always be confined to PVP unless the other sixty six percent of the population are crying right along with them.

This. We need these skills in PVE too for taking down the mobs in trials.

Hey all of you saying that nerfing steel tornado is ruining pvp! Remember you probably contributed to it's decline by crying about things like how OP DK's were in 1.5 and now you want it to stop?????? Nah, the *** burger that is ZOS attempt at balancing continues. It's now your turn to have a taste

Steel tornado could definitely use a nerf of some kind, aoe skills in PvP in general are horrible. Hard to know what kind of nerf would make sense though and wouldn't ruin the skill for PvE. For a spammy skill it's far too powerful right now.

Proxy det is basically a blight on the game and should never have been introduced.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the alliance war was just DC vs AD. Then we wouldn't have all our useful for PvE skills nerfed.

Aquanova wrote: »

Hey all of you saying that nerfing steel tornado is ruining pvp! Remember you probably contributed to it's decline by crying about things like how OP DK's were in 1.5 and now you want it to stop?????? Nah, the *** burger that is ZOS attempt at balancing continues. It's now your turn to have a taste

This is the kind of 'thinking' that ruins MMOs.

PvP'ers who believe that because their favourite character class or play style suffered an imbalance, then the perpetrators should suffer the same in return.

They complain about an imbalance and it is legit... their 'opponents' complain and it's labelled 'whining' or 'crying'.

At the same time, they abuse the game mechanics to the maximum extent to give themselves advantage whilst disregarding the effect it has on those who are the targets of the OP abilities or techniques employed.

They can 'dish it', but cannot 'take it', and instead of accepting that the game needs to be truly balanced, they wail that they want their turn being OP.

Game ruining selfishness.

This is why MMOs designers should not listen to the loudest and most strident PvP'ers when balancing abilities in PvP, especially when it impacts on the majority player base - PvE'rs.

Why MMO companies don't get a group of the worst spec. and exploit abusers who play their games and pay them to sit on a separate PTS finding all the possible ways to ruin the game IN ADVANCE, so they can fix it, and prevent them from driving the game over a cliff with their epeen approach BEFORE game changes go live on the main server is beyond my understanding.

Anyone with half a brain, watching the car crash of extreme imbalance followed by opposite and equally imbalanced counter swing is bound to wonder why this hasn't become standard practice...

... and yet, it hasn't...

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Can you imagine the threads that would exist if mobs could posts about PvE balance issues? PvErs are lucky that the victims of a games bad balance and design can't complain about it.

Hahaha. Man, the Blood Spawn's just salty because everyone focuses him down.

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

People blame the PvE'rs for Zenimax's mess, just because they complain that their game (the majority game) is made far less challenging and enjoyable?

They're complaining that the game is made more challenging when skills are toned down, but I'm not making this about sides; I told them to have a blessed day.