TequilaFire wrote: »

But what you are all suggesting which is nothing more than another nerf affects players who play normal and grind.
And who is to say what is normal anyway, if someone spends time grinding or questing that is their business.
What this all seems to be about is time and effort jealousy.
Those that don't put in the time and effort want to be on equal footing with those who do.
I have less than 200 CP and have no problems other than zergs and lag in pvp.
Just play the game.

What is abnormal is grinding the same area for hours everyday just for CP. The vast majority of players do no grind, as grinding is not fun.
You could grind all you want, it IS your business, but it is very silly to reward grinders more than people who play the actual game instead of 0.1% of the game where you just kill the same mobs over and over. Grinding should not be promoted.
Also note that many people simply cannot put time and effort because they have jobs, families, education, etc., that many hardcore grinders lack in every area (after all, how else would they grind so much?)

Normal players are the majority, so we can say whatever the majority does is the "normal", and the majority do not grind CP points.

k2blader wrote: »

First I agree CPs were/are a stupid, stupid, bad idea. However, it's what gives the hardcores reason for playing the game with less skill.

Also, Zeni can't get rid of CPs unless they're willing to eat crow. And they aren't.

CP's were not a bad idea, just poorly implemented. There should have been a wall on them and they should have incrementally increased that wall as time went on, like standard level raising. Like everyone can have 100 at the start and later they bump it up another 20 and so on.

Even incrementally raising a cap has the same gap problem. Once the cap reaches 3600 points, what will you do with a new or returning player? It would be worse, because now there would be even more people with top CP. By then, the game would be almost exclusively for long term players. New players would not have a chance.

i think CP is not going on, becouse if you bound inventory space for a horse training (i can't use that horse with another alt) why are you give the experience i got with one char to all of the alts?
first time i've experienced this i was thinking about an exploit!
this is a thing that has no foundation in logic thought, something new in rpg concept; for me is just cheating, of course is my decision to use it, but the way others players can use it this cheat make no sense to me.

instead i will garantee a buff to new player, becouse they may need it early in game, but i will remove from vet, becouse the game is already too easy in pve, and in pvp there is already a challenge.

anyway i'm not against the CP system if remain bounded to the character was involved.

burn in grill champion system .

mdhammond wrote: »

I'm confused about cp, so you all are saying the console crowd has no chance of ever catching a V14 transfer from PC?

Well it is like this..

If a transfer was grinding CP and transferred to console then yes even though you are grinding away trying to catch up. even with exp potions.

The transfer will always be grinding away to increase this gap. So unless the transferring player just stops playing for about 6 months then yes you will not catch them and be on equal terms when it comes to PvP.

The people who crying about CPs are the same type of people screaming macro when they die.

You have never lost because of cps and that guy who hit you four times in 1.4 seconds did not use a macro. L2play, harsh but oh so true.

This is the biggest load of garbage I have ever heard. Has anyone actually done the math or actually looked at the champion system? First off even if somebody grinds to the MAX number of champion points, they wont have a HUGE advantage over somebody with a normal level of champion points that an average player will have at end game. Champion points are really only a factor after the following criteria are met:

1. You are fighting a player of equal skill and are not out numbered.
2. Both of you are using optimal top tier gear for your playstyles.
3. Neither of you are playing a build that is a direct counter to the other person's build.

All of these are such huge factors that champion points wont make any difference in deciding the outcome in PVP.

Second of all even with all champion points maxed, not all of the champion buffs can be helping a player or even helping them to a large degree IE: Boost to destro staff when using a sword, or boosts to spell penetration/damage on a mainly stamina user, armor type boosts, revive other player passives. Assuming you are assigning champion points to optimize your build all of these champion point passives and the useless bonus passives are completely irrelevant.

Most importantly the majority benefit of the champion point passives are given within the first 30-50 points or so, and they aren't even game breaking bonuses to begin with when factoring in all the other ways you make your character more powerful. Assuming you played Veteran enough to atleast have the proper gear to nullify the gear factor, combined with enlightenment, and spending champion points to give you the biggest impact for your character, the maxed out person only has a slight advantage in pvp that you won't even notice 99% of the time.

So quit QQing, and just play the damn game, I have 90 champion points already and I only have one VR7 character, after you have 400-500 champion points, the additional gains in power will be barely noticable.

mdhammond wrote: »

I'm confused about cp, so you all are saying the console crowd has no chance of ever catching a V14 transfer from PC?

Ive around 240 CP, new console player when they reach lvl 50 get 1 CP, enlightment gives easy CP per day or you can grind all the day and get 4 CP or so. So you do the math how many days you're behind us, 6 month at least.

One proposal was to lock boosters for top players, so they cant further their gap, but it wasnt Zen's vision of the game.

Furor wrote: »

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/39gv5r/the_elder_scroll_online_tamriel_unlimited_team/cs3awsr

We are aware of balance concerns from players with more champion points. As Phil mentioned the system was designed to help keep players closer in power level with diminishing returns and enlightenment bonus XP. In the future we can implement catchup mechanics so the first 400 champion ranks require less experience, helping get new players catch up.
In terms of XP, we're actually buffing for some areas in the next major update. Specifically public dungeons and craglorn are being increased. Additionally we're increasing the XP that veteran level quests give so there's more of a parity between gains between questers and grinders. Lastly we're reducing the amount of XP required to get a veteran rank so players can get to the max level content sooner. - ZOS_Eric

That was my worst case scenario, so basically all the hard work we have done for CPs, its given for new and casuals almost freely. I think its fail, its confusing for players. SO basically now its good idea to stop char at 50 and wait when gold/silver zones are buffed. I already feel sorry for those console and PC players who grind silver/gold zones now and then they buff them. Do they think we are idiots, now its time to grind chars to lvl 50 and wait for buff.

Ive played lots of MMOs, and this isnt going to end up well. I assure you this. Locked boosters, new and casual players needs to use little bit of real money to catch up the rest of us, espeially when they need to reduce the price of the game, they just might give 50-150 euros for the shop, because they bought the game so cheap, its alot simplier than waiting for some dungeon/zone buffs and who get burned and who doesnt.

Ok, Im done with this topic.