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What's the point of people joining a trade guild....
If they are just going to sell the item they have at quick sell value? why not just go to a merchant to do that... In other words stop severely undercutting people that actually want to trade their items at their real value not some crappy quick sale value. If you have a Lesser Glyph don't sell it for 5 gold for christ sakes when you can make so much more than that. Makes no damn sense.
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✭✭✭✭✭You know you can change the suggested price and try to sell it for what you want, right?
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✭EulogyOFaPharaoh wrote: »If they are just going to sell the item they have at quick sell value? why not just go to a merchant to do that... In other words stop severely undercutting people that actually want to trade their items at their real value not some crappy quick sale value. If you have a Lesser Glyph don't sell it for 5 gold for christ sakes when you can make so much more than that. Makes no damn sense.
Uh... Trade guilds control the prime guild trader locations. Thus, if you want your solicitations to reach the bulk of the players traveling in the busiest of places, join a large trading guild.
As far as undercutting, well, that's the way of any trade system, bud...2 -
pandenx✭Is there a website that shows what the going rate for items are? Kinda sucks trying to guess what the "real value" of an item is without visiting 50 guild shops to try and find a median. Most shops I visit don't even have the items I am interested in selling for comparison.0 -
VictoriaRachel✭✭✭The question is why people would undercut to the point where they are no longer actually making any more then vendoring the item. The reasons are:- They do not realise they are doing it.
- They think it is in someway 'helpful' to newer players.
- They are in a large trade guild with sale requirements and just want to make sure they meet them.
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EulogyOFaPharaoh wrote: »If they are just going to sell the item they have at quick sell value? why not just go to a merchant to do that... In other words stop severely undercutting people that actually want to trade their items at their real value not some crappy quick sale value. If you have a Lesser Glyph don't sell it for 5 gold for christ sakes when you can make so much more than that. Makes no damn sense.
Uh... Trade guilds control the prime guild trader locations. Thus, if you want your solicitations to reach the bulk of the players traveling in the busiest of places, join a large trading guild.
As far as undercutting, well, that's the way of any trade system, bud...
its one thing to under cut a reasonable amount its another thing to completely devalue the product where it makes no sense for the person to even be trading it the way they are.
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Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »You know you can change the suggested price and try to sell it for what you want, right?
and i do buy it and re-list it, that's not the point.NA Server - EP1 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭Is there a website that shows what the going rate for items are? Kinda sucks trying to guess what the "real value" of an item is without visiting 50 guild shops to try and find a median. Most shops I visit don't even have the items I am interested in selling for comparison.
There are two addons at least that people use to give an accurate(ish) price for items based on previous sales from your trade guilds. These are:
Master Merchant (MM) - http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info928-MasterMerchant.html
Shopkeeper - http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info616-Shopkeeper-SalesHistoryandAlerts.html
If you're on a console without access to a PC account then unfortunately you'll just have to either go around every guild trader in the game, or make a guess at whether you're getting something at its face value or less.The Legendary Nothing1 -
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Who decided what the real value is? The value of that item for the person selling is exactly what the price is. If that value does not coincide with your perception ...well tough luck.EulogyOFaPharaoh wrote: »If they are just going to sell the item they have at quick sell value? why not just go to a merchant to do that... In other words stop severely undercutting people that actually want to trade their items at their real value not some crappy quick sale value. If you have a Lesser Glyph don't sell it for 5 gold for christ sakes when you can make so much more than that. Makes no damn sense.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)2 -
VictoriaRachel✭✭✭Who decided what the real value is? The value of that item for the person selling is exactly what the price is. If that value does not coincide with your perception ...well tough luck.
There is a vendor value assigned for each value. This is the value you will get for an item if you go up to any NPC merchant and sell it. That is the minimum value for an item and you should not be listing it on the trading post for that as it is just a waste of your time.
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Oh vendor trash traders. It doesn't mater much but any good trade guild should probably kick any players that sell vendor trash even at vendor price or slightly above.VictoriaRachel wrote: »Who decided what the real value is? The value of that item for the person selling is exactly what the price is. If that value does not coincide with your perception ...well tough luck.
There is a vendor value assigned for each value. This is the value you will get for an item if you go up to any NPC merchant and sell it. That is the minimum value for an item and you should not be listing it on the trading post for that as it is just a waste of your time.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭The only reason I see for joining a trade guild is to be able to sell your stuff to a wider group of players. If you don't belong to a large/successful trade guild, you'll have fewer people browsing your wares -> fewer sales. Generally speaking.
Personally, I don't want to have to join a "good trade guild" just to be able to sell stuff and favor a centralized auction house where I can see everything on sale and decide what I'm willing to pay, without having to waste time traveling to "brick and mortars." :-P
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So if you don't actually care about the gold, and you just want someone else to have a chance to get something that you don't want, but which might be useful to them... That's a bad thing?VictoriaRachel wrote: »Who decided what the real value is? The value of that item for the person selling is exactly what the price is. If that value does not coincide with your perception ...well tough luck.
There is a vendor value assigned for each value. This is the value you will get for an item if you go up to any NPC merchant and sell it. That is the minimum value for an item and you should not be listing it on the trading post for that as it is just a waste of your time.
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So if you don't actually care about the gold, and you just want someone else to have a chance to get something that you don't want, but which might be useful to them... That's a bad thing?VictoriaRachel wrote: »Who decided what the real value is? The value of that item for the person selling is exactly what the price is. If that value does not coincide with your perception ...well tough luck.
There is a vendor value assigned for each value. This is the value you will get for an item if you go up to any NPC merchant and sell it. That is the minimum value for an item and you should not be listing it on the trading post for that as it is just a waste of your time.
Exactly. That's the main reason why I keep/sell set items. I may not have a use for them, but someone out there does.The Moot Councillor0 -
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✭EulogyOFaPharaoh wrote: »EulogyOFaPharaoh wrote: »If they are just going to sell the item they have at quick sell value? why not just go to a merchant to do that... In other words stop severely undercutting people that actually want to trade their items at their real value not some crappy quick sale value. If you have a Lesser Glyph don't sell it for 5 gold for christ sakes when you can make so much more than that. Makes no damn sense.
Uh... Trade guilds control the prime guild trader locations. Thus, if you want your solicitations to reach the bulk of the players traveling in the busiest of places, join a large trading guild.
As far as undercutting, well, that's the way of any trade system, bud...
its one thing to under cut a reasonable amount its another thing to completely devalue the product where it makes no sense for the person to even be trading it the way they are.
It exists in any video game marketplace. Complaining on the forums isn't going to cause some mass epiphany in all gamers...0 -
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✭Okay, I've been a trader for about four months. I belong to three large trade guilds and plan to join a fourth shortly. I have to believe that anyone who is seriously trying to trade isn't going to sell their stuff for the vendor price. That said, here's some thoughts on the reality of trading:
1. @VictoriaRachel is right: some people undersell to help people. It's a nice thing to do and their right to do so. But there are other reasons why this might happen.
2. The trade guild you belong to may have "higher" prices than other guilds. This can occur if your guild has a good kiosk location. For example, in one of my guilds, I can sell a blue racial motif (on PC) for $600 gold but if I tried that in another guild it wouldn't sell and I'd have to relist it for a lower price.
3. You're relying on the prices given in a tool like Master Merchant. These numbers are averages and can be deceptive. I've listed items for the MM price that have stagnated. I've had to unlist them and relist them for much less to sell them.
4. Prices vary dramatically depending upon what you're selling and where. For example, I listed 100 worms four days ago in my Guild Store for $4900k. That same day, I sold 4 100 worm stacks on the "open" chat market for between 6-8k each in Glenumbra and Auridon. But it took several days for the guild store sack to sell, even though it was several thousand less than the other stacks.
5. When I see those incredible low prices, I assume some needs money fast. I then do my civic duty and buy their stuff so they can get the money the need. Then I resell it.
I really, really don't think people should be forced to sell for a specific amount or even a range. Buy their stuff it you think it's so cheap.Valar Morghulis.
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭Can I ask the folks really into trade guilds, what is the point of it exactly? What do you want to accomplish by being in trade guilds? Is it so you can make gold to buy stuff you really want? Or is it just to see how high a total number you can get.
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭EulogyOFaPharaoh wrote: »all in all this game needs an auction house period.
Agree. I still wanna know what trading guild supporters support, exactly. lol
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EulogyOFaPharaoh wrote: »all in all this game needs an auction house period.
Agree. I still wanna know what trading guild supporters support, exactly. lol
i trade to get more gold to buy more stuff.NA Server - EP0 -
dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »Is there a website that shows what the going rate for items are? Kinda sucks trying to guess what the "real value" of an item is without visiting 50 guild shops to try and find a median. Most shops I visit don't even have the items I am interested in selling for comparison.
There are two addons at least that people use to give an accurate(ish) price for items based on previous sales from your trade guilds. These are:
Master Merchant (MM) - http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info928-MasterMerchant.html
Shopkeeper - http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info616-Shopkeeper-SalesHistoryandAlerts.html
If you're on a console without access to a PC account then unfortunately you'll just have to either go around every guild trader in the game, or make a guess at whether you're getting something at its face value or less.
Do you know if they have any apps for this? I'm just getting to the point I can make higher end stuff. I'm on console and it would make things a lot better if I can use my phone instead of my laptop.
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sekou_trayvond✭✭✭✭✭Can I ask the folks really into trade guilds, what is the point of it exactly? What do you want to accomplish by being in trade guilds? Is it so you can make gold to buy stuff you really want? Or is it just to see how high a total number you can get.
To has all the gold for what I really want. Pretty simple, really.
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