Helping lower levels level up...

xC0MMAND0x · June 2015

Good day, I have a few questions /comments / need clarification on helping lower levels level up.

1. When I give them a lot of gear, it seems to help their crafting skill level up OK when they deconstruct it. But, they don't get all of the useful materials.

2. Also, I was doing a cave (I'm LVL 30) and had my brother (LVL 6) with me. He basically stayed back while I killed everything...he didn't seem to get much if any XP, and, he couldn't loot ANY of the bodies - is that because they are too high of a level?

3. I went to do Banished Cells with 2 players who were (LVL 7) and (LVL 8) when I was a (LVL 29). I thought / expected the enemies to be lower levels, but they were all around 28 or 29...is that normal for when you are in a group? Does it matter who is party leader?

Playing on Xbox One now, FYI.

Thanks!

AzraelKrieg · June 2015

1. There crafting level isn't high enough yet so the drops will be rare on really high level items

2. If there is more than a 5 level difference between the mobs and the player, no XP or drops will be awarded

3. Group dungeons scale to the group leader. Since it sounds like you were the leader, it scaled to your level.

Pendrillion · June 2015

First: You have to invest some Skillpoints into Crafting to get out all the crafting mats. It runs through a Random Number Generator still when you have maxed some of the crafting abilities. If you have used a mat 2 times you can not get it back from deconstructing.

Second: If your brother doesn't hit enemies he is not eligible to loot or XP.

Third: Dungeons scale on groupleader. Guess your group had a blast wiping

dlepi24 · June 2015

yeah, I feel bad for all my friends starting out. I want them to level up their crafting so I don't have to do all of them, but it seems like such a waste of mats for them to decon and get next to nothing. Oh well, maybe I'll have time to enjoy the game instead of constantly making sets for everyone and becoming a human tutorial for the game haha.

xC0MMAND0x · June 2015

Interesting...

So if my brother had actually "hit" the enemies he would have gotten XP and been able to loot...

As far as the "scaling to group leader" we tried again, when I made my friend the group leader, but enemies were still really high levels...

If they do Banished Cells when they are around LVL 10 or so, how can I help them beat it easily without it scaling to a high level? Are you sure it's just the group leader and not a group average?

More than a 5 level difference too - that's a bummer, haven't heard that before...

Pendrillion · June 2015

The Group Dungeons are starting at level 12 or so? They are thought to be done when you are about to move out of the zone usually. But they scale from levels 12 - VR14. Also Dungeon Mobs hit harder and are bigger than overland mobs. Make the lowest member of the group leader.

Also you wont get much loot for helping your buddies either. You have to be within 5 levels of your lowest level member to be eligible for loot and XP. Those are security measures to deter Botters and Multiboxers. Or people who just want to be PUGed and profit without contributing.

stojekarcub18_ESO · June 2015

to add to the notes about dungeons scaling to group leader:

It has been my experience that the dungeons will scale to whomever was the ORIGINAL group leader upon formation of the party. Even if you pass the crown to another group member before entering the dungeon, it scales to whomever had it first. We've had to disband and reform, with the player who's level we've wanted the dungeon to scale to be the one to send out the invites.

Epona222 · June 2015

xC0MMAND0x wrote: »

Interesting...

So if my brother had actually "hit" the enemies he would have gotten XP and been able to loot...

As far as the "scaling to group leader" we tried again, when I made my friend the group leader, but enemies were still really high levels...

If they do Banished Cells when they are around LVL 10 or so, how can I help them beat it easily without it scaling to a high level? Are you sure it's just the group leader and not a group average?

More than a 5 level difference too - that's a bummer, haven't heard that before...

Why should someone who does nothing (no damage, no healing, just hides behind someone else) get any XP or loot? Of course your brother has to actually do something to get rewarded, otherwise we could all just group up and let 1 person do stuff while the rest of us go read a book or something!

dlepi24 · June 2015

I've done the entry level group dungeons several times now on console to help friends out. The 5 level rule is still in effect. In order for your brother to get credit, he needs to be within 5 levels of the group leader, or he himself needs to be the leader if the first isn't possible. You can still help them complete it as a higher level, just don't expect anything for it.

xC0MMAND0x · June 2015

stojekarcub18_ESO wrote: »

to add to the notes about dungeons scaling to group leader:

It has been my experience that the dungeons will scale to whomever was the ORIGINAL group leader upon formation of the party. Even if you pass the crown to another group member before entering the dungeon, it scales to whomever had it first. We've had to disband and reform, with the player who's level we've wanted the dungeon to scale to be the one to send out the invites.

Ah, this could be the ticket. I was the original leader. I will try doing disband and reform later.

Thanks for all the tips! It's cool having all my console friends hop on and play - that's why I ported over to Console too. So far (other than the loading issues) I've been really happy and enjoying the game a lot!

xC0MMAND0x · June 2015

Epona222 wrote: »

xC0MMAND0x wrote: »

Interesting...

So if my brother had actually "hit" the enemies he would have gotten XP and been able to loot...

As far as the "scaling to group leader" we tried again, when I made my friend the group leader, but enemies were still really high levels...

If they do Banished Cells when they are around LVL 10 or so, how can I help them beat it easily without it scaling to a high level? Are you sure it's just the group leader and not a group average?

More than a 5 level difference too - that's a bummer, haven't heard that before...

Why should someone who does nothing (no damage, no healing, just hides behind someone else) get any XP or loot? Of course your brother has to actually do something to get rewarded, otherwise we could all just group up and let 1 person do stuff while the rest of us go read a book or something!

I guess I didn't think of it that way - makes perfect sense. I was just trying to help the guy

AlnilamE · June 2015

The dungeon instance is set to whoever is group leader when someone first enters the dungeon. To set it to a different person, you need to disband the group and reform. Just going out and changing leaders will not do it.

You can still help your brother and friends. Just make sure the dungeon is set close to their level and take up more of a support role if you can.

I was running dungeons yesterday with my level 30 tank with two guildies who were 22 and 23 when we started, as well as a V1 healer. We set it to 22, so the healer and I didn't get any XP (except from the quests if we hadn't done them) and my lower level friends went up 2 levels just from doing the dungeons.

I've been in guild outings where I was way under-leveled and as long as I focus on one mob that nobody else is hitting, I tend to get some XP.

xC0MMAND0x · June 2015

Question - how does it determine WHO gets XP? Is it if the enemies are more than 5 LVLS apart, you don't get XP?

Example - I am doing a dungeon with friends. They are all LVL 12 and host it. I am LVL 30 and go in and help them kill all LVL 15 enemies...

Do they all get XP because the enemies are 3 LVLs off? And I wouldn't get any because I'm much higher of a level? Can I still get loot drops at least?

Thanks!

OzJohnD · June 2015

Why powerlevel ? .... more fun to experience the game at your level and progress learning how to play your class along the way. (my opinion anyways)

xC0MMAND0x · June 2015

OzJohnD wrote: »

Why powerlevel ? .... more fun to experience the game at your level and progress learning how to play your class along the way. (my opinion anyways)

Perhaps "powerlevel" isn't the term I should use. I want to get my friends up to higher levels quicker, so we can do more quests / dungeons / that type of thing together.

I want to help them, and want to do it the best way.

xC0MMAND0x · June 2015

xC0MMAND0x wrote: »

Question - how does it determine WHO gets XP? Is it if the enemies are more than 5 LVLS apart, you don't get XP?

Example - I am doing a dungeon with friends. They are all LVL 12 and host it. I am LVL 30 and go in and help them kill all LVL 15 enemies...

Do they all get XP because the enemies are 3 LVLs off? And I wouldn't get any because I'm much higher of a level? Can I still get loot drops at least?

Thanks!

Any insight into exactly how this detail works?

RazzPitazz · June 2015

xC0MMAND0x wrote: »

xC0MMAND0x wrote: »

Question - how does it determine WHO gets XP? Is it if the enemies are more than 5 LVLS apart, you don't get XP?

Example - I am doing a dungeon with friends. They are all LVL 12 and host it. I am LVL 30 and go in and help them kill all LVL 15 enemies...

Do they all get XP because the enemies are 3 LVLs off? And I wouldn't get any because I'm much higher of a level? Can I still get loot drops at least?

Thanks!

Any insight into exactly how this detail works?

In short, yes. You pretty much nailed it.
If a player enters an area where the enemies are either 6 levels above or below that player, no xp is awarded. You still get loot.
Would like to note, if you take on a quest that is 6 levels above or below your character then you are still rewarded the quest xp and quest reward loot.