Psijic Ambrosia is here!

Xendyn · June 2015

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/179679/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-0-11#latest

Interesting.
Recipe comes in fragments and only from writs.
Perfect Roe from fishing, as we thought.

Time to get on those writs!

Mansome · June 2015

Its crazy they would link something this important to something almost no one ever does. Seriously fishing? I would even say link it to dungeon drops or something but fishing? Its the most boring thing in this game. Guess I won't be making any of this.

Endenium · June 2015

Mansome wrote: »

Its crazy they would link something this important to something almost no one ever does. Seriously fishing? I would even say link it to dungeon drops or something but fishing? Its the most boring thing in this game. Guess I won't be making any of this.

No one does it because there's very few rewards for it. The point is to make fishing a viable way to make gold and a worthwhile action. It makes fishing much more relevant. Bait will no longer be ignored in resource nodes, and fishing will be much more common from now on.

It makes a lot of sense.

Endenium · June 2015

I applaud ZOS for creating an elegant solution to the complex problem of the Vet Rank system and end game leveling.

In one patch, it looks like they removed the XP wall that so many players hated, myself included. I thank Christ that I have my V14 Tank, but I want my alts to be V14 as well. And I don't want to have to play for 2 more years before I get to experience max level end game with them.

So congrats ZOS and ESO players - Psijic Ambrosia is a welcomed addition!

An elegant solution.

sadownik · June 2015

Endenium wrote: »

Mansome wrote: »

Its crazy they would link something this important to something almost no one ever does. Seriously fishing? I would even say link it to dungeon drops or something but fishing? Its the most boring thing in this game. Guess I won't be making any of this.

No one does it because there's very few rewards for it. The point is to make fishing a viable way to make gold and a worthwhile action. It makes fishing much more relevant. Bait will no longer be ignored in resource nodes, and fishing will be much more common from now on.

It makes a lot of sense.

Sadly it still makes no sence. Fishing gives no xp so time spent on getting that golden mat is wasted (when it comes to xp and cp). Ofc it depends on drop ratio but my guess it will be very very rare since its a crown store potion competition. So in the time you spend farming mats you could be grinding, getting xp and loot.

Xendyn · June 2015

Endenium wrote: »

I applaud ZOS for creating an elegant solution to the complex problem of the Vet Rank system and end game leveling.

In one patch, it looks like they removed the XP wall that so many players hated, myself included. I thank Christ that I have my V14 Tank, but I want my alts to be V14 as well. And I don't want to have to play for 2 more years before I get to experience max level end game with them.

So congrats ZOS and ESO players - Psijic Ambrosia is a welcomed addition!

An elegant solution.

Yeh my Vet 1 NB that's been gathering dust will be happy.
Just couldn't bring myself to slog thru Cadwell's for a 5th time. This, of course, is kind of depending on the Roe drop rate, I will not throw RL money at it.

SirAndy · June 2015

sadownik wrote: »

Fishing gives no xp so time spent on getting that golden mat is wasted (when it comes to xp and cp).

Au contraire, the time spent fishing counts towards your enlightenment time, so it does aid your CP collection ...

Haxnschwammer · June 2015

All that crafting chars that gave the owner a passive income through hirelings
get a new purpose. 8 chars will do provisioning writs every day to farm the new recipe
pages and sell them for a high price. It will be dwemer motifs all over...but this time
people will sell their mother to get xp potion recipe...

And as many crafting chars haven't been leveled to Vet 1 to get into Craglorn
(which is needed for the writs) I guess xp farming will be even more popular the next weeks...

It's a good thing I kept all the bait and frost mirriam and the other purple thing.
Not sure if I want to just sell or take part in the hunt. Don't like xp potions, but
I could need the money... spent nearly 200 k on recipes last days.
Pokemon! I mean, I get em all!
I'm such a geek...

f047ys3v3n · June 2015

sadownik wrote: »

Sadly it still makes no sence. Fishing gives no xp so time spent on getting that golden mat is wasted (when it comes to xp and cp). Ofc it depends on drop ratio but my guess it will be very very rare since its a crown store potion competition. So in the time you spend farming mats you could be grinding, getting xp and loot.

2 hours fishing, 105 white fish, 0 perfect roe. We, mostly M12, are in the process of assembling a large enough data set of fileting to determine the drop rate with some degree of precision. Our preliminary yacking seems to suggest about 1/200. The bottom line is that ignoring the rarity of the recipe fragments, as well as the fact that you need 7 of them, the amount of time needed to farm the mats to craft the enlightenment drink is clearly such that the net effect of attempting to use crafted +XP potions as a way to gain XP faster will be a decrease in xp/hour vs simply grinding without the consumable.

This quite simply means that XP potions are pay to win as crafting them yourself for use is a massively XP/hour loosing proposition. Making it technically possible to do so in order to claim that such an item in the crown store is not pay to win is doublespeak, disingenuous, and insulting to our intelligence. Time from crown store opening to pay to win ~ 4 months assuming that the consumable part of the crown store works again in few days as the patch broke it.

Xendyn · June 2015

Had a little different experience, about 2 hours of fishing 150 or so fish and 4 Perfect Roe.

Not a sniff of a recipe part on 4 provisioners tho. For me, looks like that's gonna be the hard part.

Kozai · June 2015

sadownik wrote: »

Sadly it still makes no sence. Fishing gives no xp so time spent on getting that golden mat is wasted (when it comes to xp and cp). Ofc it depends on drop ratio but my guess it will be very very rare since its a crown store potion competition. So in the time you spend farming mats you could be grinding, getting xp and loot.

Where it makes sense is for someone who (a) likes fishing, (b) likes low-risk ways of earning gold, or (c) has a lot of hours to play and has leveled everyone they want to to do the actual fishing, and put the roe up for sale to people who have money and are impatient to level. Possibly via the intermediary of a Provisioner Plus there will be a trickle of supply from people who are waiting for a friend to join them, for example, and happen to be standing near a fishing hole.

But that is the basis for the market economy in most games, people who happen to get something they aren't very interested in sell it to people who have accumulated money and don't want to take the time to farm low-rate drops themselves.

Interesting data point, I saw some of the Psijic for sale this morning, 10k each. Somebody got everything put together pretty fast.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · June 2015

Endenium wrote: »

I applaud ZOS for creating an elegant solution to the complex problem of the Vet Rank system and end game leveling.

In one patch, it looks like they removed the XP wall that so many players hated, myself included. I thank Christ that I have my V14 Tank, but I want my alts to be V14 as well. And I don't want to have to play for 2 more years before I get to experience max level end game with them.

So congrats ZOS and ESO players - Psijic Ambrosia is a welcomed addition!

An elegant solution.

Hardly elegant. It's a ham-fisted and cheesy/gimmicky addition to the game, and only brought on only by the game's B2P switch and Crown Store monetization. There would be no need for them if the quest lines in the Cadwell's Silve/Gold areas actually gave decent experience (and rewards), and made other activities (e.g. crafting, fishing, PvP, etc) provide better exp. The mentality and necessity of grinding for CP could be gone if they made the diminishing returns for Constellation passives even higher than they are (because balance now without softcaps is already an issue), or put a diminishing return on post-50 exp gain itself so there would be no incentive to grind (they couldn't do this until Vet Ranks are gone though).

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

This quite simply means that XP potions are pay to win as crafting them yourself for use is a massively XP/hour loosing proposition. Making it technically possible to do so in order to claim that such an item in the crown store is not pay to win is doublespeak, disingenuous, and insulting to our intelligence. Time from crown store opening to pay to win ~ 4 months assuming that the consumable part of the crown store works again in few days as the patch broke it.

This is exactly it. These exp potions are pure "pay for convenience" monetization through and through, not "elegant game design" by any stretch of the imagination.

Defilted · June 2015

Psijic Ambrosia
You are now able to craft Psijic Ambrosia, an Experience point booster that gives you 50% boost to Experience gained from any source and all sources for 30 minutes. Psijic Ambrosia is considered a drink, and thus works with Provisioner passives that affect drinks.

It says this is something you craft. In the link I see nothing that it will be in the Crown store. Are you guys making an assumptions that this is coming to the Crown store?

Xendyn · June 2015

Defilted wrote: »

Psijic Ambrosia
You are now able to craft Psijic Ambrosia, an Experience point booster that gives you 50% boost to Experience gained from any source and all sources for 30 minutes. Psijic Ambrosia is considered a drink, and thus works with Provisioner passives that affect drinks.

It says this is something you craft. In the link I see nothing that it will be in the Crown store. Are you guys making an assumptions that this is coming to the Crown store?

It was datamined awhile back as was the recipe for the crafted version before it made it into the game.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · June 2015

Before we had info about craftable exp pots they said in an ESO Live or something (maybe a comment in a thread here? can't remember) that is was indeed coming to the Crown Store.

Defilted · June 2015

I am not sure whether I care or not if this is on the crown store. I feel that it would seriously cheapen crafting. Not sure if it even matters if someone levels to VR14 faster. Crafting is what bothers me the most. Now if it never goes to the CS then I do not see an issue with them at all.

Jayne_Doe · June 2015

While I like the idea of crafting XP potions, I was quite disappointed to see all of the hoops you have to go through just to be able to make it:

1. Find all 7 pages (having to keep 6 of them in your inventory/bank until you find the 7th). These only come as random drops from provisioning writs (with higher chances at higher levels).

2. Find bait (though this isn't too hard, it will take some time if you don't have any - or perhaps a lot of gold).

3. Fish! Ok...I haven't done any fishing yet, and this does give me an incentive to start. I don't mind the idea of fishing - in fact, I've always figured I'd do it "some day."

4. Fish enough fish that you can filet for a "small chance" of getting Perfect Roe. So far, it seems like it's following the drop rate of gold tempers, which is basically a crap shoot.

5. Put 10 points in Provisioning (6 for recipe improvement; 4 for recipe quality - they added another level that you have to spend a point on).

6. Put another 3 points in Provisioning (in Brewer - though these are optional, they are basically necessary given the time/effort/chance of getting Perfect Roe).

7. Also have Frost Mirriam and Bervez Juice (though most of us should have plenty of these already).

8. Craft them!

Seriously!? At the very least, how about a small (smaller than FM/BJ) to receive Perfect Roe from your hirelings/provisioning writs?

SpAEkus · June 2015

Anyone know, for all the Ambrosia that was already available last night and this AM, did saved Urns drop recipe parts as soon as patch was live?

Or did players actually run enough Writs in 12hours to get all parts that fast?

Xendyn · June 2015

SpAEkus wrote: »

Anyone know, for all the Ambrosia that was already available last night and this AM, did saved Urns drop recipe parts as soon as patch was live?

Or did players actually run enough Writs in 12hours to get all parts that fast?

I'm curious about this, too. I was thinking a guild or two pooled the fragments to get them this fast.