Pay2win! Now its going live. 50%XP boosters work for Championspoints!

Armitas · June 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

BesMaster wrote: »

I don't see nothing about crown store exp pots in patchnotes 2.0.11. So then i don't see P2W here. Close topic please.

This is what I am wondering... cause I checked the crown store this morning and there was no exp boosts available, did they magically appear?

On June 11th they announced that they would be adding them to the crown store. They have not said anything regarding a change to that plan.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · June 2015

Rhakon wrote: »

I remember that Developers mentioned that the boosters will not affect CS, am i wrong?

This is Pay2win at its best.

<drivel>
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You have NO IDEA what P2W means.
50% XP/CP, is not P2W.

By your logic, anyone who pays for subscription still, err ESO+ is actually Paying 2 Win?
(but I have seen such post).

The other dude doesn't like the costumes, and claims they are P2W also on the other thread bellow.
Same applied few weeks ago about the Horses etc.

One side, you QQ & TT about the subscription model, but you do know that the company must make money to run the servers at least? Let alone developers, etc.

Mate, ZOS is not a charity, is a business. Welcome to real world.

nastuug · June 2015

Rhakon · June 2015

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Rhakon wrote: »

I remember that Developers mentioned that the boosters will not affect CS, am i wrong?

This is Pay2win at its best.

<drivel>
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You have NO IDEA what P2W means.
50% XP/CP, is not P2W.

By your logic, anyone who pays for subscription still, err ESO+ is actually Paying 2 Win?
(but I have seen such post).

The other dude doesn't like the costumes, and claims they are P2W also on the other thread bellow.
Same applied few weeks ago about the Horses etc.

One side, you QQ & TT about the subscription model, but you do know that the company must make money to run the servers at least? Let alone developers, etc.

Mate, ZOS is not a charity, is a business. Welcome to real world.

extra for you DUDE....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win

BobOfTibia · June 2015

This quite the post, in so little time, it's gotten nearly seven pages of posts, nearly arguing about the same thing haha.

But I quite agree, there's no real P2W here.

Not even ESO+. Since it's just speeding up your ability to max out your character, not giving them a permanent advantage over another character.

Rhakon · June 2015

BobOfTibia wrote: »

This quite the post, in so little time, it's gotten nearly seven pages of posts, nearly arguing about the same thing haha.

But I quite agree, there's no real P2W here.

Not even ESO+. Since it's just speeding up your ability to max out your character, not giving them a permanent advantage over another character.

Ofcourse you get an advantage in the Championssystem permanently.

DaveMoeDee · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

You dont catch the fish. There is a slim chance everytime you skin a fish you get one. No passives affect your chance.

I didn't know we were supposed to skin fish. Can I just right click on the fish in the inventory screen to skin?

DaveMoeDee · June 2015

Valrien wrote: »

Rhakon wrote: »

Pay money to get stronger faster = Pay2win! .

not really, since everyone can end up there. P2W is getting something that can only be gotten with money.

Depends upon drop rates for components of food. If drop rates are too low, people who rely on crafting only won't be able to gain XP at rates of those who use crowns. Of course, there is also all the time wasted fishing in order to craft.

If someone has a ton of in-game cash, I imagine that will help keep pace with people who spend crowns.

xaraan · June 2015

You can get the bonus in game, without buying it. Not P2W.

Rhakon · June 2015

xaraan wrote: »

You can get the bonus in game, without buying it. Not P2W.

so you spend ingametime for farming materials recipe or gold to save ingametime...

xaraan · June 2015

Rhakon wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

You can get the bonus in game, without buying it. Not P2W.

so you spend ingametime for farming materials recipe or gold to save ingametime...

that's pretty much how it works, who would spend real money on something you can get easily in game? (I guess a few, but not many)

JamilaRaj · June 2015

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Rhakon wrote: »

I remember that Developers mentioned that the boosters will not affect CS, am i wrong?

This is Pay2win at its best.

<drivel>
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You have NO IDEA what P2W means.
50% XP/CP, is not P2W.

By your logic, anyone who pays for subscription still, err ESO+ is actually Paying 2 Win?
(but I have seen such post).

Sure, they are buying an advantage over other players for cash; blatant case of P2W.
Remarkably even by definition of players that inists that if X that is otherwise for cash can be also obtained in game, it is not P2W (which is irrelevant, because no amount of effort in game will grant you same advantage...effortlessly), because one can not get e.g. ESO+ exp boost in game.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

The other dude doesn't like the costumes, and claims they are P2W also on the other thread bellow.
Same applied few weeks ago about the Horses etc.

One side, you QQ & TT about the subscription model, but you do know that the company must make money to run the servers at least? Let alone developers, etc.

Mate, ZOS is not a charity, is a business. Welcome to real world.

That they do business does not mean they have to produce a game where single most important and decisive game mechanics is plain corruption in broad daylight. They could do business and still maintain fair play. In fact they could do and to a degree did business by precisely doing so.

Kilmister · June 2015

All the people crying P2W and saying they will quit.... please do.

Saltypretzels · June 2015

xaraan wrote: »

You can get the bonus in game, without buying it. Not P2W.

Let's go hypothetical and say that all of the master weapons with the exact right trait could be bought from the store.

You could buy it off the store, or you could get them in the game. And this is allowed it is "convenient" to buy these items and it saves in game grinding. Just like the upcoming XP pots.

But I bet the majority of people would argue that buying the best, hardest to get equipment in the game from the store would be P2W.

There are seriously some logically inconsistencies going on here with you people saying that store pots are not P2W.

MornaBaine · June 2015

So WHEN are we supposed to be getting these amazing potions?

olemanwinter · June 2015

Davadin wrote: »

until crown store has something that increase magicka/health/stam or spell/weapon damage, or increase health bubble or shield or stuff like that.... UNTIL THEN........

Champion points do exactly that. They permanently increase those types of stats. I thought (could be wrong) that these drinks were already confirmed to be available in the store in the future.

Player 1 uses 1/2 as many of these drinks because he takes time to farm the mats, and therefor he gains CP slower.

Player 2 pulls out his VISA card and constantly uses the drinks and gains CP faster.

Both players put CP into "Physical Attacks" and then fight each other in PvP.

The one that paid...wins.

(No, these drinks aren't for sale yet, but I believe they were datamined as crown-store items long ago)

We all assumed they wouldn't effect CP because it's blatant P2W, but we were wrong.

olemanwinter · June 2015

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

You have NO IDEA what P2W means.
50% XP/CP, is not P2W.

By your logic, anyone who pays for subscription still, err ESO+ is actually Paying 2 Win?
(but I have seen such post).

The other dude doesn't like the costumes, and claims they are P2W also on the other thread bellow.
Same applied few weeks ago about the Horses etc.

One side, you QQ & TT about the subscription model, but you do know that the company must make money to run the servers at least? Let alone developers, etc.

Mate, ZOS is not a charity, is a business. Welcome to real world.

Ok...what would be P2W? 80% increased XP/CP? 100%? 250%? 1000%?

At what point does it become P2W, when 2 players doing the same thing play against each other but because the one using his VISA card was so much more efficient HE WINS.

Do you even realize that CP effect things like total damage output? Total health regeneration? etc.

Two players doing everything else the same, with the difference being 50% more CP due to VISA purchases, will not have an even competition.

The one who paid......will win.

Hexyl · June 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

until crown store has something that increase magicka/health/stam or spell/weapon damage, or increase health bubble or shield or stuff like that.... UNTIL THEN........

Champion points do exactly that. They permanently increase those types of stats. I thought (could be wrong) that these drinks were already confirmed to be available in the store in the future.

Player 1 uses 1/2 as many of these drinks because he takes time to farm the mats, and therefor he gains CP slower.

Player 2 pulls out his VISA card and constantly uses the drinks and gains CP faster.

Both players put CP into "Physical Attacks" and then fight each other in PvP.

The one that paid...wins.

(No, these drinks aren't for sale yet, but I believe they were datamined as crown-store items long ago)

We all assumed they wouldn't effect CP because it's blatant P2W, but we were wrong.

This. Totally agree. The real prob is the CS.

And they already find the store item by datamining after this patch. It's a scroll who give 50% xp boost for 2 hours.
They will surely put it the next week with a simple patch.

BobOfTibia · June 2015

The complaints in this thread are arguably unreasonable.

Convenience, is not the same as Unbalanced.

There is nothing that can be obtained by someone who spends money on ZM that cannot be obtained by those who do not, other than cosmetics.

Speed in obtaining, is not the same as not being able to obtain at all.

Just because you don't have time, to play the game and are upset someone else has the time, and cash to level up slightly faster, does not make it unbalanced.

Paying-2-Win refers to the same as the link posted above.

A direct quote from the link states:

"Dude, you've spent like 400 bucks on this game so you can beat everyone who hasn't spent any money. Pay-to-win noob!"

You can spend 400$ or more on ESOTU, and still be no better/more powerful at the game than someone who has spent nothing.

Short-cutting does not give you an edge. It simply let's you get there faster.

With the logic of a lot of the posts here, you quit the game for a month, and come back, everyone should be the same level as you, because you didn't have the time to play for that month.

No. Sorry. That is not the case.

In regards to being able to buy anything from the store that you could get in-game as well.

Then yes. That would not be Pay-To-Win ether.

As long as you could get it in-game.

You just got it faster.

Buying a sword, with 10000000 Attack, and a special ability leading you to dodge every attack, only obtainable by paying real cash for, is considered, Pay-2-Win, if there was no other way to obtain it, or an equal counter-part.

Revisiting the mention of selling every item in-game/traits etc. They don't. Only small conveniences are available. You don't see a level skipping potion, do you? No.

They are small, very small conveniences.

Hexyl · June 2015

BobOfTibia wrote: »

You can spend 400$ or more on ESOTU, and still be no better/more powerful at the game than someone who has spent nothing.

False.
More xp boost = more cp = win

BobOfTibia wrote: »

With the logic of a lot of the posts here, you quit the game for a month, and come back, everyone should be the same level as you, because you didn't have the time to play for that month.

No. Sorry. That is not the case.

True.
Cause this Champion system is VERY TOO LONG to be completed. There is no end. No max lvl. So you will never catch up your late.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

The Crown Experience Scroll, as the name implies, comes from the Crown Store and can be purchased for 1,000 crowns for a pack of 5. A single Crown Experience Scroll lasts for 2 hours, and gives you a 50% boost to Experience gained from any and all sources – any time your Experience Point bar moves, it will move 50% further.

mtwiggz · June 2015

XP potions are awesome. You are not.

Rhakon · June 2015

BobOfTibia wrote: »

The complaints in this thread are arguably unreasonable.

Convenience, is not the same as Unbalanced.

Just because you don't have time, to play the game and are upset someone else has the time, and cash to level up slightly faster, does not make it unbalanced.

With the logic of a lot of the posts here, you quit the game for a month, and come back, everyone should be the same level as you, because you didn't have the time to play for that month.

Ofcourse the Championssystem make it unbalanced..what do you think we are talking about?
Your conclusion is wrong. its about how much ingametime you have to spend and what advantage you get from it, not the time while we are offline.

Personofsecrets · June 2015

p2w isn't any worse than exploit a secret to win or bot to win.

The problem is the champion point system, not people abusing it

Markaeus · June 2015

It's not pay to win if everyone can get the same thing without spending real cash to get it simple as that.. if you pay real cash for something that you CANNOT get in the game in any other fashion, THEN it becomes pay to win

BobOfTibia · June 2015

Ofcourse the Championssystem make it unbalanced..what do you think we are talking about?
Your conclusion is wrong. its about how much ingametime you have to spend and what advantage you get from it, not the time while we are offline.

By that logic, everyone has to quit their jobs. Everyone can't go to school. Everyone can't do anything that gives them less time to play. Because that would be unfair to them.

And everything else stated, is PURE speculation. We don't completely know how the system will work or where the caps are at until it comes out.

Hexyl · June 2015

So in game you can get real time?

Cause it's about that.

My great visa card do the same thing as you pretty mutch faster. So what ?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Markaeus wrote: »

It's not pay to win if everyone can get the same thing without spending real cash to get it simple as that.. if you pay real cash for something that you CANNOT get in the game in any other fashion, THEN it becomes pay to win

They think anything period is pay to win that you pay for. The one guy even thinks that paying for the box and paying for plus is "pay to win". You are talking to people who dont want to hear the truth. Meanwhile ZOS is a company based on making money. The people who code this game have houses, car notes, insurance bills, kids and all the stuff everyone else does. How can they keep this game going for free? Anyways they arent having any of that lol.

Hexyl · June 2015

a game should become a hard-work-grinding-system ? And already should be fine ?

Ok. Let's accept it.

R.I.P mmos.

BobOfTibia · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Markaeus wrote: »

It's not pay to win if everyone can get the same thing without spending real cash to get it simple as that.. if you pay real cash for something that you CANNOT get in the game in any other fashion, THEN it becomes pay to win

They think anything period is pay to win that you pay for. The one guy even thinks that paying for the box and paying for plus is "pay to win". You are talking to people who dont want to hear the truth. Meanwhile ZOS is a company based on making money. The people who code this game have houses, car notes, insurance bills, kids and all the stuff everyone else does. How can they keep this game going for free? Anyways they arent having any of that lol.

Not even bringing their lives into this.

It's just all hear-say complaints.

Five years down the road, if someone finally maxes out the caps if they REALLY are that high (We don't know), then someone else buys the caps, (Won't happen) then great. It's still not pay-2-win. You can obtain it normally.

But the conveniences, stay the same. More than likely, always they are going to be small, saving what, a day or two? IF the person uses their time wisely.

Ether way, it's just people complaining because they don't want someone being faster than them. (Which someone always will be, ESO+, potion w/e or not. Someone will always have more time than you)