Cancelled ESO plus, not another dime until..

Aneima · June 2015

Vet ranks are not going no where..

Public dungeons and craglorn is getting an xp buff. Vet quests will give more xp. Plus they are reducing the amount of xp so people can get to endgame faster.

So for all you people that make these VR level conversion graphs and for those who flood the forums with their "next" idea, guess what? Your ideas stink! ZOS is going to do it a better way.

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/39hegg/news_zos_had_a_console_aua_today_here_are_the/

phairdon · June 2015

Aneima wrote: »

Vet ranks are not going no where..

Public dungeons and craglorn is getting an xp buff. Vet quests will give more xp. Plus they are reducing the amount of xp so people can get to endgame faster.

So for all you people that make these VR level conversion graphs and for those who flood the forums with their "next" idea, guess what? Your ideas stink! ZOS is going to do it a better way.

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/39hegg/news_zos_had_a_console_aua_today_here_are_the/

Thanks for the link. Was good reading.

Gidorick · June 2015

Thanks @Aneima! I'm glad you enjoy my attempts at productive conversation instead of just outright whining on the forums.

For those of you unaware, @Aneima's comment on graphs was referring to my post here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/174148/level-50-80-vr-replacement-new-ish-concept/p1

Even when Zos goes through with:

" In terms of XP, we're actually buffing for some areas in the next major update. Specifically public dungeons and craglorn are being increased. Additionally we're increasing the XP that veteran level quests give so there's more of a parity between gains between questers and grinders. Lastly we're reducing the amount of XP required to get a veteran rank so players can get to the max level content sooner. "

I still think converting VR ranks to regular levels is the way to go. Even at the lowered XP requirements. It would create a more natural experience that, quite frankly, is a better fit for Elder Scrolls than Veteran Ranks.

Bars · June 2015

ZOS is going to do it a better way

well that made me lol , Vet levels were a o sh-t fix when zo$ seen that they had no end game

Raash · June 2015

Aneima wrote: »

Vet ranks are not going no where..

Public dungeons and craglorn is getting an xp buff. Vet quests will give more xp. Plus they are reducing the amount of xp so people can get to endgame faster.

So for all you people that make these VR level conversion graphs and for those who flood the forums with their "next" idea, guess what? Your ideas stink! ZOS is going to do it a better way.

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/39hegg/news_zos_had_a_console_aua_today_here_are_the/

Cool, yet another broken promise from ZoS then. They must enjoy being looked upon as snakes or something lol.

sadownik · June 2015

Arato wrote: »

Pecivilis: most people feel after they've completed their own faction's main storyline quests, that they've done as much work as getting to cap in other MMO's, and they should be ready for end game/group content at that point. But in this game they extend it to make you do the equivalent of reaching cap 3 and a half times over, and it's all solo questing (thanks to phasing and such making it difficult to actually quest in a group)

There's also the other complaint about the way VR's are done (which I think is valid too) for RP'ers, it feels like betraying their actual faction to participate in the other faction's questlines and have to kill members of their real faction.

The only way to avoid that currently is to aoe grind, which a lot of people don't like.

Frankly, the game bled subscribers because of VR's, and even after going B2P, people came back, or new players came in, got to VR's and then quit. The game will never have a healthy population as long as VR's pollute endgame.

It especially doesn't help because they've already said that VR's are going away, over a year ago, and have been making babysteps towards removing them. There are people who don't want to get too invested into the VR system only to have it changed on them.

It has always baffled me why they continued to add VR ranks (from 10 to 12, and then from 12 to 14) when it's been in their long road plan to remove them entirely. Don't reinforce it and get people more invested into a system you're removing, and make the dealing with how gear and content works HARDER by adding more ranks.

It's a thing that needs to be just DONE, quickly, yes it'll be painful, but just like ripping off a bandaid, it's better than trying to peel it off a bit at a time.

They REALLY should have done it before console launch, to not have console players get invested into it. Instead, console players will reach VR's, and many of them will quit playing because they find it tedious, boring, and grind heavy.

Very well summed up.

mdhammond · June 2015

Sooooo yall want less leveling? Deafeats purpose of an mmmorpg in my eyes, shoot I've been waiting for that no lvl cap mmo to come out myself. The more leveling the better in an mmo in my eyes. This probably only botheres people who want to speed rush all there characters to vr14. Sorry if they don't make it easy to have 7 maxed out Alts lol , get over it

Katsibrokos · June 2015

Bars wrote: »

ZOS is going to do it a better way

well that made me lol , Vet levels were a o sh-t fix when zo$ seen that they had no end game

So much this. Sadly this is 100% true.
I also agree with Arato's comment as its the only truth in my eyes about the game.
Anyway i m still waiting for the DLC to check about the new content & features in order to see if it deserves to stick with it.

Raash · June 2015

mdhammond wrote: »

Sooooo yall want less leveling? Deafeats purpose of an mmmorpg in my eyes, shoot I've been waiting for that no lvl cap mmo to come out myself. The more leveling the better in an mmo in my eyes. This probably only botheres people who want to speed rush all there characters to vr14. Sorry if they don't make it easy to have 7 maxed out Alts lol , get over it

Knock yourself out then, levling is only thing to do in the game imo.... I like pancakes too but not every day

mdhammond · June 2015

@ Raash. So you can't pvp or do stuff with friends? Lol

Raash · June 2015

mdhammond wrote: »

@ Raash. So you can't pvp or do stuff with friends? Lol

No they all left.

Rosveen · June 2015

Considering how they nerfed everything in Craglorn to the ground, making most of its content a waste of time, increasing XP in that area isn't a wonderful improvement, it's a necessary fix.

NotSo · June 2015

Removing VRs was something that ZOS talked about doing a long time ago. I really wish they went ahead with it but at this point it's probably easier to suggest other ways to appropriate VRs.

Which I won't do. Instead, I think VRs should still get cut from the game and the Cadwell's Gold/Silver should be made into group zones (don't even worry about stat tweaking, just fix up all the quests to work seamlessly with groups). A lot of Craglorn will still be doable, only some of the later stuff will need to be toned down.

To hit a little harder over the rest of the game, levels 1(3) through 50 should have had a main string of quests that would get to near level 50 by solo but most(all) of the side-quests really should have been made for groups. And anybody looking for higher difficulty play would only need to tackle a group quest by themselves.

Animation cancelling has got to go, all of the content (minus pvp, because that's a whole other beast) was not built for animation cancelling until late Craglorn and beyond. And the influx of new players is, once again, making it blatant that this should not be a part of the game at all. It doesn't handle like any game I've played before, it feels like it's falling apart. I know a lot of players keep playing because they've mastered all this stuff but mastering animation cancelling makes a huge skill gap. And the game doesn't teach this stuff.

Arato · June 2015

Aneima wrote: »

Vet ranks are not going no where..

Public dungeons and craglorn is getting an xp buff. Vet quests will give more xp. Plus they are reducing the amount of xp so people can get to endgame faster.

So for all you people that make these VR level conversion graphs and for those who flood the forums with their "next" idea, guess what? Your ideas stink! ZOS is going to do it a better way.

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/39hegg/news_zos_had_a_console_aua_today_here_are_the/

Watch the AMA's, they've still said they're committed to removing VR's they just don't know how to do it yet.

Arato · June 2015

mdhammond wrote: »

Sooooo yall want less leveling? Deafeats purpose of an mmmorpg in my eyes, shoot I've been waiting for that no lvl cap mmo to come out myself. The more leveling the better in an mmo in my eyes. This probably only botheres people who want to speed rush all there characters to vr14. Sorry if they don't make it easy to have 7 maxed out Alts lol , get over it

Champion Points are a way to continue progression without barring you from doing endgame content. It's a better system than VR

arena25 · June 2015

In terms of Veteran Rank content...no plans to take it away any time soon.

As far as next major update...we'll find out soon, I hope.

Emma_Overload · June 2015

Pecivilis wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on

at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?

Why do you want VR gone?

Probably because VR causes the grind to max level to take weeks instead of days. This is a real hassle if you are trying to convince to friends to level up so they can play with you.

The_Sadist · June 2015

I've remained subbed despite going on hiatus, yay for crowns!

But seriously, I've been half considering unsubbing purely due to the lack of content. Now that the console port has occurred there's no real excuse for further delays.

Emma_Overload · June 2015

mdhammond wrote: »

Sooooo yall want less leveling? Deafeats purpose of an mmmorpg in my eyes, shoot I've been waiting for that no lvl cap mmo to come out myself. The more leveling the better in an mmo in my eyes. This probably only botheres people who want to speed rush all there characters to vr14. Sorry if they don't make it easy to have 7 maxed out Alts lol , get over it

We already have a 3600 CP grind that will last us 5 to 10 YEARS, why should we continue to be slapped in the face with the boring VR grind? I didn't mind doing Cadwell's Silver and Gold the first time, but doing AGAIN for multiple alts... I'd rather have a tooth pullled in real life!

Tiveria · June 2015

Took you this long to unsub lol? There is no reason to sub unless you are blind and think subbin supports this game and will help with future content/ it wont. I love the game I just dont log in much cuase there isnt anything new to do after being out a year.

I'm not flaming the game just don't understand how they think people were going to keep playing let alone keep a sub this long after nothing new. I understand not all people rushed to end game me myself included but those that did are most likely not playing now.

dRudE · June 2015

For every VR14 character on someones accounts have an increase in XP for level's and VR's. While it might not encourage those unable to get themselves to VR14 the first time, it would help existing veterans to bypass doing the grind again and again. I believe everyone should do the grind at least once and it is a hell of a lot easier now to when we had to do it.

Maybe something like 20-25% increase in XP for leveling and VR's(not CP's) so by the time you have 4-5 VR14's on your account your getting double XP and making another new character would be nothing. I know this exists in other games but it works.

Arato · June 2015

Tiveria wrote: »

Took you this long to unsub lol? There is no reason to sub unless you are blind and think subbin supports this game and will help with future content/ it wont. I love the game I just dont log in much cuase there isnt anything new to do after being out a year.

I'm not flaming the game just don't understand how they think people were going to keep playing let alone keep a sub this long after nothing new. I understand not all people rushed to end game me myself included but those that did are most likely not playing now.

I stayed subbed because I wanted to accumulate some crowns to go toward DLC when it eventually hits but we haven't heard any word on when we can expect any, and they keep handwaving about DLC and VR removal. so.. I have thousands of crowns and the last of my crafting research is underway and will finish before my ESO plus runs out. Seemed like a good time to cancel. I suppose I would want to utilize those 20+ days leveling VR's to get the most out of it but I really can't stomach doing the same 10-40 (depending on which villages aren't gankfests) cyrodiil quests every day anymore. I went from VR10-VR13 doing those Cyrodiil quests and I'm really REALLY sick of them now.

NotSo · June 2015

When patches start rolling out again, I'll resub. But if those first few patches only include new content or contribute nothing to pvp, I'm out forever.