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Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
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Pecivilis✭✭✭Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
Why do you want VR gone?"Soon™ " - ZOS on TESOUSalty PC PlayerPecivilis - vr14 Breton Sorc - Magicka DPSGuild PvE Officer - The Fatal Legion- NA PvP - Chillrend1 -
Jando✭✭✭✭This is what i write in every thread about veteran ranks, including my own, for the last 3-4 months:
The right approach here is not to remove VR's at all, but to reduce the xp to gain each rank to something like 150K. No other system in the game needs to be changed and they can do it in a hotfix. The 14 Veteran ranks essentially become 14 regular levels.
For those who still want a challenge in Cadwell Gold/Silver content: that content can be optimized for something like VR 15-20 and then they can "battle level" all characters up appropriately when entering those zones.
Done..problem solved. No reason it should be taking this long.
Dear Zos...Veteran Ranks are ruining your game...there's an easy fix...just do it!!Dear ZoS - Sell us great content at a reasonable price. Stop the Grind!!3 -
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✭Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
Why do you want VR gone?
Because it extends the solo quest experience beyond what a lot of people want, and makes Cadwells Silver/Gold basically mandatory unless you just aoe grind mobs, and on top of that, once you get past VR10, ... You're either doing repeatable quests, or aoe grinding mobs.
It bars you from doing group content.
They've told us they're getting rid of them, so they just need to do it, and stop shirking away from it. It's a bandaid fix to endgame to begin with, and now ZoS is telling us we have a better endgame system (Champion Points, Trial Leaderboards, etc), and instead of just ripping that bandaid off, they're trying to pull it off 1 hair at a time.
Without VR's and making level cap 50 (and just using CP for further progression), you can finish your main storyline for your faction, and then go right into veteran dungeons, trials, PVP (and be on a relatively equal footing compared to VR14 vs VR1 the way it is now), Craglorn.. Cadwell's Silver and Gold are there still if you WANT to do them, but you don't have to do them (or grind enough mobs to take their place in xp), in that sense they become a solo player endgame content. It opens up the game.
Main reason though is it'd get my friends to come back so I'd have someone to play with, they'd love to play the game but they're so bored of solo questing for VR's that they quit.4 -
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✭This is what i write in every thread about veteran ranks, including my own, for the last 3-4 months:
The right approach here is not to remove VR's at all, but to reduce the xp to gain each rank to something like 150K. No other system in the game needs to be changed and they can do it in a hotfix. The 14 Veteran ranks essentially become 14 regular levels.
For those who still want a challenge in Cadwell Gold/Silver content: that content can be optimized for something like VR 15-20 and then they can "battle level" all characters up appropriately when entering those zones.
Done..problem solved. No reason it should be taking this long.
Dear Zos...Veteran Ranks are ruining your game...there's an easy fix...just do it!!
Not really problem solved, it's still gating content behind more solo questing or grinding.3 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Make new friends bro.. As of right now ZOS has not said another word about removing vet ranks and "The road ahead" plan has been MIA for months now lol.Edited by Funkopotamus on June 13, 2015 3:48AMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington4 -
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Siniztor✭✭✭Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
Why do you want VR gone?
Because it extends the solo quest experience beyond what a lot of people want, and makes Cadwells Silver/Gold basically mandatory unless you just aoe grind mobs, and on top of that, once you get past VR10, ... You're either doing repeatable quests, or aoe grinding mobs.
It bars you from doing group content.
They've told us they're getting rid of them, so they just need to do it, and stop shirking away from it. It's a bandaid fix to endgame to begin with, and now ZoS is telling us we have a better endgame system (Champion Points, Trial Leaderboards, etc), and instead of just ripping that bandaid off, they're trying to pull it off 1 hair at a time.
Without VR's and making level cap 50 (and just using CP for further progression), you can finish your main storyline for your faction, and then go right into veteran dungeons, trials, PVP (and be on a relatively equal footing compared to VR14 vs VR1 the way it is now), Craglorn.. Cadwell's Silver and Gold are there still if you WANT to do them, but you don't have to do them (or grind enough mobs to take their place in xp), in that sense they become a solo player endgame content. It opens up the game.
Main reason though is it'd get my friends to come back so I'd have someone to play with, they'd love to play the game but they're so bored of solo questing for VR's that they quit.
Be intrested to see what they do cause this way..I can hear thevr-14's crying now when a fresh new 50 gets handed his / her gear and its just the same as peoples vr 14 gear..
Since no level requirements after 50..then theres no reason for vr 1-14 gear..so you take the top gear make it just plain level 50 gear and grind your cp..and dungeons cause no need for differnt level dungeons were all 50..
But wait how do dlc's work?? cause there be no need to run any dungron for gear since its all level 50 gear now as soon as you get the set peices with the stats you want....go back to grindng mobs lol0 -
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✭✭✭✭Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
Why do you want VR gone?
Because it extends the solo quest experience beyond what a lot of people want, and makes Cadwells Silver/Gold basically mandatory unless you just aoe grind mobs, and on top of that, once you get past VR10, ... You're either doing repeatable quests, or aoe grinding mobs.
It bars you from doing group content.
They've told us they're getting rid of them, so they just need to do it, and stop shirking away from it. It's a bandaid fix to endgame to begin with, and now ZoS is telling us we have a better endgame system (Champion Points, Trial Leaderboards, etc), and instead of just ripping that bandaid off, they're trying to pull it off 1 hair at a time.
Without VR's and making level cap 50 (and just using CP for further progression), you can finish your main storyline for your faction, and then go right into veteran dungeons, trials, PVP (and be on a relatively equal footing compared to VR14 vs VR1 the way it is now), Craglorn.. Cadwell's Silver and Gold are there still if you WANT to do them, but you don't have to do them (or grind enough mobs to take their place in xp), in that sense they become a solo player endgame content. It opens up the game.
Main reason though is it'd get my friends to come back so I'd have someone to play with, they'd love to play the game but they're so bored of solo questing for VR's that they quit.
You do know the reason we have so many VR ranks in the first place was because people cried that they should have access to the other factions content right?
You can blame youre fellow gamers, many of whom probably arent around anymore, for the inflated VR Ranks.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
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1000 Crowns on 10 exp_scrolls.Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
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✭✭✭✭✭Same problem we had a year ago and caused all of my friends to leave.
Me? I was just making alts, but I'm at 8/8 chars now, so that's it for me as well.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.1 -
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✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
Why do you want VR gone?
Because it extends the solo quest experience beyond what a lot of people want, and makes Cadwells Silver/Gold basically mandatory unless you just aoe grind mobs, and on top of that, once you get past VR10, ... You're either doing repeatable quests, or aoe grinding mobs.
It bars you from doing group content.
They've told us they're getting rid of them, so they just need to do it, and stop shirking away from it. It's a bandaid fix to endgame to begin with, and now ZoS is telling us we have a better endgame system (Champion Points, Trial Leaderboards, etc), and instead of just ripping that bandaid off, they're trying to pull it off 1 hair at a time.
Without VR's and making level cap 50 (and just using CP for further progression), you can finish your main storyline for your faction, and then go right into veteran dungeons, trials, PVP (and be on a relatively equal footing compared to VR14 vs VR1 the way it is now), Craglorn.. Cadwell's Silver and Gold are there still if you WANT to do them, but you don't have to do them (or grind enough mobs to take their place in xp), in that sense they become a solo player endgame content. It opens up the game.
Main reason though is it'd get my friends to come back so I'd have someone to play with, they'd love to play the game but they're so bored of solo questing for VR's that they quit.
You do know the reason we have so many VR ranks in the first place was because people cried that they should have access to the other factions content right?
You can blame youre fellow gamers, many of whom probably arent around anymore, for the inflated VR Ranks.
You do understand that nobody asked for veteran ranks and the option to play different factions on the same character could be desigend in many ways? And btw blaming players for something devs did is plain stupid.
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✭✭✭This is what i write in every thread about veteran ranks, including my own, for the last 3-4 months:
The right approach here is not to remove VR's at all, but to reduce the xp to gain each rank to something like 150K. No other system in the game needs to be changed and they can do it in a hotfix. The 14 Veteran ranks essentially become 14 regular levels.
For those who still want a challenge in Cadwell Gold/Silver content: that content can be optimized for something like VR 15-20 and then they can "battle level" all characters up appropriately when entering those zones.
Done..problem solved. No reason it should be taking this long.
Dear Zos...Veteran Ranks are ruining your game...there's an easy fix...just do it!!
No additional Veteran Ranks! That is not an improvement. Why would they add more leveling for the same content that would just lead to more armor levels?
If you want to decrease the XP for max level, either the end of Cadwell's Gold should be targeted to be VR14 or the end of Cadwell's Silver. If Silver is chose, than all of Gold would be VR14.
Splitting Silver and Gold is a horrible approach that ZOS clearly did not want. The VR levels wasn't just some random occurrence. If they stayed with normal leveling, max level would be ridiculously high and the armor at the end of Gold would be twice as powerful as level 50 gear. The gap between level 50 and max level would be so drastic that players that we would need a few more tiered campaigns in Cyrodiil. The many levels would also make grouping for dungeons trickier if a player in the silver zone after you is 10 levels beyond you.
The tighter grouping of player in vet ranks is more appropriate at that stage of the game.0 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭I cancelled my sub today, too. Then I bought it again for Xbox right after.
Yhheeesss join us yeeeeeeehhhssss..
Wait you are going to pollute the master race by intermingling with us inferior gamers!
They will send the "lightning bolts" after you man! Consider yourself warned lol.Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington2 -
Luffy✭Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
Why do you want VR gone?
Why do you even ask? Veteran ranks are ruining the game.4 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭I honestly do not have a problem with VR. I think the people that are grind shy and want to be able to max out on a weekend are the ones that are flying off the rails about having to put in time to get anything.
I swear I blame W0W for the "We want it now" MMO mentality...Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington3 -
Pecivilis✭✭✭Veteran Ranks are gone
DLC content to spend my crowns on
at the moment, I have nobody really to play with because VR's and the extra long solo grind have discouraged all my friends from playing, and I have nothing I really want to spend crowns on and you keep teasing DLC content.. but where is it?
Why do you want VR gone?
Why do you even ask? Veteran ranks are ruining the game.
Because I have been playing since Closed Beta and never had an issue with them.
Also even if you take them out and made us all level 50, they would have to figure out what to do about gear, Crafted mainly. As well as re-do the code for all the current content again, thus pushing back any new content even further.
Not to mention people will still ***, only this time it will be about "meh meh he may be level 50 too, but because he started playing way before me or put in more work he has like 300+ cp and I just started earning them WAH WAH WAH something about skinned knees cause I'm a little *** WAH."
And so on..."Soon™ " - ZOS on TESOUSalty PC PlayerPecivilis - vr14 Breton Sorc - Magicka DPSGuild PvE Officer - The Fatal Legion- NA PvP - Chillrend6 -
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✭Pecivilis: most people feel after they've completed their own faction's main storyline quests, that they've done as much work as getting to cap in other MMO's, and they should be ready for end game/group content at that point. But in this game they extend it to make you do the equivalent of reaching cap 3 and a half times over, and it's all solo questing (thanks to phasing and such making it difficult to actually quest in a group)
There's also the other complaint about the way VR's are done (which I think is valid too) for RP'ers, it feels like betraying their actual faction to participate in the other faction's questlines and have to kill members of their real faction.
The only way to avoid that currently is to aoe grind, which a lot of people don't like.
Frankly, the game bled subscribers because of VR's, and even after going B2P, people came back, or new players came in, got to VR's and then quit. The game will never have a healthy population as long as VR's pollute endgame.
It especially doesn't help because they've already said that VR's are going away, over a year ago, and have been making babysteps towards removing them. There are people who don't want to get too invested into the VR system only to have it changed on them.
It has always baffled me why they continued to add VR ranks (from 10 to 12, and then from 12 to 14) when it's been in their long road plan to remove them entirely. Don't reinforce it and get people more invested into a system you're removing, and make the dealing with how gear and content works HARDER by adding more ranks.
It's a thing that needs to be just DONE, quickly, yes it'll be painful, but just like ripping off a bandaid, it's better than trying to peel it off a bit at a time.
They REALLY should have done it before console launch, to not have console players get invested into it. Instead, console players will reach VR's, and many of them will quit playing because they find it tedious, boring, and grind heavy.4 -
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✭Also, CP is not as limiting as VR's, VR's affect mob scaling, gear that you can equip, and how hits and misses and damage are calculated.
CP just gives bonuses while you're able to wear the same gear regardless of how many CP, and it doesn't affect hits and misses, it can affect damage because of bonuses somewhat but not to the same degree as a large level difference.0 -
NadiusMaximus✭✭✭✭✭Vet ranks used to be hard.
Really hard. And long. I can remember going from 50 to 14,took all summer. Then it was made easy, now you want it easier.
Why not just play the game like everyone else.
I bet you through a fit when you reached the end of lvl one and Princes peach was in the next castle huh.1 -
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Skiserony✭✭✭There are some ups and downs because of it.
It sucks that it really takes long to get a character up to VR14, but it also makes sure the build you have you really are going for. That not everyone is running with every single build that is the ost powerful on that moment, which means nerf and hop on to the next one0 Now people actually try to mae the best out of their build (they are 'stuck' with) which means better progression for all classes.
Doesn't have to be changed for me, if it does I'm also happy.0 -
Katsibrokos✭✭✭Pecivilis: most people feel after they've completed their own faction's main storyline quests, that they've done as much work as getting to cap in other MMO's, and they should be ready for end game/group content at that point. But in this game they extend it to make you do the equivalent of reaching cap 3 and a half times over, and it's all solo questing (thanks to phasing and such making it difficult to actually quest in a group)
There's also the other complaint about the way VR's are done (which I think is valid too) for RP'ers, it feels like betraying their actual faction to participate in the other faction's questlines and have to kill members of their real faction.
The only way to avoid that currently is to aoe grind, which a lot of people don't like.
Frankly, the game bled subscribers because of VR's, and even after going B2P, people came back, or new players came in, got to VR's and then quit. The game will never have a healthy population as long as VR's pollute endgame.
It especially doesn't help because they've already said that VR's are going away, over a year ago, and have been making babysteps towards removing them. There are people who don't want to get too invested into the VR system only to have it changed on them.
It has always baffled me why they continued to add VR ranks (from 10 to 12, and then from 12 to 14) when it's been in their long road plan to remove them entirely. Don't reinforce it and get people more invested into a system you're removing, and make the dealing with how gear and content works HARDER by adding more ranks.
It's a thing that needs to be just DONE, quickly, yes it'll be painful, but just like ripping off a bandaid, it's better than trying to peel it off a bit at a time.
They REALLY should have done it before console launch, to not have console players get invested into it. Instead, console players will reach VR's, and many of them will quit playing because they find it tedious, boring, and grind heavy.
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Whole summer? The summer when ESO was hemorrhaging subscribers? When half of my friend list disappeared? You'd like to go back to that summer?NadiusMaximus wrote: »Vet ranks used to be hard.
Really hard. And long. I can remember going from 50 to 14,took all summer. Then it was made easy, now you want it easier.
Why not just play the game like everyone else.
I bet you through a fit when you reached the end of lvl one and Princes peach was in the next castle huh.Edited by Rosveen on June 13, 2015 9:47AM3 -
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Whole summer? The summer when ESO was hemorrhaging subscribers? When half of my friend list disappeared? You'd like to go back to that summer?NadiusMaximus wrote: »Vet ranks used to be hard.
Really hard. And long. I can remember going from 50 to 14,took all summer. Then it was made easy, now you want it easier.
Why not just play the game like everyone else.
I bet you through a fit when you reached the end of lvl one and Princes peach was in the next castle huh.
Where did I say go back? It sucked having to run a four man group just to explore Craglorn because mobs were op and had stacks more hp than now. I just think it's balanced ok now, not best but better. It doesn't have to be easier though, especially since the lack of new content and xp nerds have made pretty much do I g anything besides grinding the secret spots the only way to gain CP. Make it easier and they will once again nerf xp.0 -
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✭NadiusMaximus wrote: »Vet ranks used to be hard.
Really hard. And long. I can remember going from 50 to 14,took all summer. Then it was made easy, now you want it easier.
Why not just play the game like everyone else.
I bet you through a fit when you reached the end of lvl one and Princes peach was in the next castle huh.
Because repeating the same handful of quests in Cyrodiil every single day is excessively boring, but it's what you have to do from VR10+ unless you have a 3+ man group to go with, then you repeat the same handful of quests in Craglorn every single day.
There is no way to reach VR14 without daily repetition of quests, or outright mob grinding.
That's just really bad MMO design.
Every other Modern MMO makes damn well sure that you can reach cap just by doing non repeatable quests, usually with many quests or an entire zone even being skipped.
This is the only MMO in the past 8 or 9 years at least that you cannot reach cap without repeatable quests or mob grinding, where you actually run out of content short of cap.4 -
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✭Regardless of the minority of people who think it's fine and don't mind aoe grinding to reach cap, the majority of people think it's not fine, and quit the game when they reach VR's.
People quitting the game aren't buying and spending crowns.
People quitting the game aren't in ESO plus
People quitting the game weren't subbing and why we aren't a sub based game anymore to begin with.
The biggest issue however, is that ZoS has already said they are going to get rid of them. If they hadn't said that I'd focus my complaints on making sure that VR 10-14 can be done without aoe grind or repeatable quests, that they can be done in a natural feeling quest cycle the way 1-50 is and VR1-VR10 is.
But they said at quake con, and have said in ESO lives as recent as this May, that they are still planning on removing them.
The biggest issue, is that they say they're going to do something... and then are not only NOT doing it, but make steps in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION of the direction they're claiming they're going.
Does the left hand not know what the right hand is doing? is it just incompetence? Do they really have no clue what they're doing?3
