PVP Buffs Active in PVE - Thoughts?

SirEwan · June 2015

PVP Buffs are buffs granted by capturing Keeps & Scrolls and Crowning an Emperor in Cyrodiil.
They range from things like Spell Resistance & Spell Power Increases to Health and Critical Strike Increases.

These Buffs are also active in PVE meaning teams with Buffs are significantly advantaged compared to teams without Buffs. PVE Teams who have never PVP'd or contributed in any way to their faction's success in Cyrodiil are granted advantages over their competitors in a game where leaderboards are active and there is a competitive raiding scene.

What are the communities thoughts currently?
Please elaborate on your vote if you have time!

"PVP Bonuses: Keep, Elder Scroll, and the Emperorship bonuses (passive buffs) will apply only in PVP spaces. This change will effectively do away with the concept of “buff servers.” Originally, we wanted these bonuses to provide a game-wide benefit, but we’ve seen this design become detrimental to the PVP experience due to alliances having "buff servers."

-Brian Wheeler

VICTORY!

xMovingTarget · June 2015

I have an idea to make it better! (Elaborate Please)

Remove from PvE Zones entirely. Or at least remove 'em as soon as people enter any competitive Trial(Arena).

I do not like it. It´s imbalanced and unfair.

nastuug · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

Worked great in DAOC. There's nothing wrong with it.

lsneakl · June 2015

Benefit of buff going to PvE is that PvE players of non-buffed alliances may look to help out from time to time in the fight to gain the buff back (if it even makes a difference to them).

Sallington · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

I've thought this was a terrible idea from the start. Buffs you gain from PvP should stay in PvP.

It might be different if there was only one PvP server, and all factions were actually fighting for control of ONE zone, but the whole "buff servers" situation is awful.

SirEwan · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

My opinion is that it is completely ridiculous to link 2 seperate parts of the game together in a way that grants Significant Advantages in a Competitive environment with Leaderboards.

Ridiculous.

Heromofo · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Remove from PvE entirely.

I do not like it. It´s imbalanced and unfair.

I think you chose the wrong option bud.

Side note: they are fine srsly who cares its pve they do not affect you.

You should be more cornered about champion points personally i dont care about that ither lol.

SirEwan · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Sallington wrote: »

I've thought this was a terrible idea from the start. Buffs you gain from PvP should stay in PvP.

It might be different if there was only one PvP server, and all factions were actually fighting for control of ONE zone, but the whole "buff servers" situation is awful.

Now that is a good idea!
Only ONE server that provides PVP Buffs, and perhaps that server is always the server with the highest population.

SirEwan · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Heromofo wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Remove from PvE entirely.

I do not like it. It´s imbalanced and unfair.

I think you chose the wrong option bud.

Side note: they are fine srsly who cares its pve they do not affect you.

You should be more cornered about champion points personally i dont care about that ither lol.

Side note: they are fine srsly who cares its pve they do not affect you.
lol.

Sallington · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

SirEwan wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

I've thought this was a terrible idea from the start. Buffs you gain from PvP should stay in PvP.

It might be different if there was only one PvP server, and all factions were actually fighting for control of ONE zone, but the whole "buff servers" situation is awful.

Now that is a good idea!
Only ONE server that provides PVP Buffs, and perhaps that server is always the server with the highest population.

Yup! I've said it before and I'' say it again: I'd rather wait for 20-30minutes in a queue and have great PVP competition when I enter, than have no queue and a dead/meaningless experience.

nastuug · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

Lol. That was poorly worded, @Heromofo.

PBpsy · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Remove from the game entirely.

Heromofo · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

nastuug wrote: »

Lol. That was poorly worded, @Heromofo.

Yeah im drunk and tired and cant sleep but you get the jist of it lol.

Armitas · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

I like it only for the reason that it brings people into pvp that otherwise would not enter. Thus giving us a higher population total that should in turn give us a bigger voice on the developer table.

I would make the buffs based on total alliance success rather than individual campaign success because it would necessarily redistribute that PvE population and put an end to buff servers.

Alcast · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Relying on PvP buffs as a PvE players is ridiculous.

We have had like 6days full buffs on pact(EU) since 1.6....

Cant do leaderboard runs if we are missing PvP buffs.

PvP buffs boost dps by about 20%..

Take them away already!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Xendyn · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

They are the reason we have dead campaigns called buff servers. They need to just go away entirely.

SirEwan · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Armitas wrote: »

I like it only for the reason that it brings people into pvp that otherwise would not enter. Thus giving us a higher population total that should in turn give us a bigger voice on the developer table.

I would make the buffs based on total alliance success rather than individual campaign success because it would necessarily redistribute that PvE population and put an end to buff servers.

I can confirm from being in multiple PVE Guilds since Beta of this game, I don't remember any instances of PVE'rs going to PVP when buffs are not up in the hopes of claiming some. It takes too much time when teams want to raid and most of the time teams will just not raid, or do something casual, because there's no point in raiding hardcore when they know whatever they achieve will be beaten shortly by a team who is buffed.

From my experience it absolutely does not help PVP grow with PVE players but instead is slowly destroying the active & competitive raiding environment in this game.

nastuug · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

SirEwan wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

I like it only for the reason that it brings people into pvp that otherwise would not enter. Thus giving us a higher population total that should in turn give us a bigger voice on the developer table.

I would make the buffs based on total alliance success rather than individual campaign success because it would necessarily redistribute that PvE population and put an end to buff servers.

I can confirm from being in multiple PVE Guilds since Beta of this game and I don't remember once PVE'rs going to PVP when buffs are not up in the hopes of claiming some. It takes too much time when teams want to raid and most of the time teams will just not raid, or do something casual, because there's no point in raiding hardcore when they know whatever they achieve will be beaten shortly by a team who is buffed.

From my experience it absolutely does not help PVP grow with PVE players

Idk. I've lost buffs on EP recently from surges of derps takin' mah scrolls.

Edit: needed derps

Darlgon · June 2015

Sigh... if I had a nickel for every thread I have seen on this topic in the last 18 months..

Psychobunni · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

I can't say I think "It's imbalanced and unfair" because it's an option to every player lvl 10 and up, so in that respect it's completely fair.

If you want to be on the leaderboards but are too lazy to utilize every benefit, you can't complain about not being as competitive as others who make the extra effort to gain every edge they can. This is life, no competition (of any meaning) gives the same prize to those who don't work as hard for it.

That said, if they made it a PVP only buff...I'd be okay with that too, because that too would be fair. You'd also see complaints come flying in about PVE needing nerfs, but that's another matter.

Marsgodofwar · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Darlgon wrote: »

Sigh... if I had a nickel for every thread I have seen on this topic in the last 18 months..

You'd have ~$50 give or take some nickels

Exstazik · June 2015

I have an idea to make it better! (Elaborate Please)

1) less population alliance got this bonuses
2) remove pvp from pve
3) these who lose get it

Armitas · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

SirEwan wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

I like it only for the reason that it brings people into pvp that otherwise would not enter. Thus giving us a higher population total that should in turn give us a bigger voice on the developer table.

I would make the buffs based on total alliance success rather than individual campaign success because it would necessarily redistribute that PvE population and put an end to buff servers.

I can confirm from being in multiple PVE Guilds since Beta of this game, I don't remember any instances of PVE'rs going to PVP when buffs are not up in the hopes of claiming some. It takes too much time when teams want to raid and most of the time teams will just not raid, or do something casual, because there's no point in raiding hardcore when they know whatever they achieve will be beaten shortly by a team who is buffed.

My experience is different though I have been in less guilds. Whenever my factions buff server is down all I hear in my pve guild channel is QQ and battle crys of "lets get our buffs back". I have even had them whisper me to stop making AD angry by pvping on their buff server because they switch servers and go after my factions buff server.
They usually try and get it done before trial time.

I have always played on the other factions buff server and going against them they do not seem to be experienced in PvP, they also seem to be vacant until something flips and then they pour in like you hit a bees nest. They are not there to PvP so I can only assume they are there for PvE.

Alcast · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Heromofo wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Remove from PvE entirely.

I do not like it. It´s imbalanced and unfair.

I think you chose the wrong option bud.

Side note: they are fine srsly who cares its pve they do not affect you.

You should be more cornered about champion points personally i dont care about that ither lol.

You must be completly new to the game, PvP buffs work in PvE dude, srsly jesus christ.

Because of people like you, who do not even understand the gamemechanics, stuff like that, jeez

SirEwan · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Psychobunni wrote: »

I can't say I think "It's imbalanced and unfair" because it's an option to every player lvl 10 and up, so in that respect it's completely fair.

If you want to be on the leaderboards but are too lazy to utilize every benefit, you can't complain about not being as competitive as others who make the extra effort to gain every edge they can. This is life, no competition (of any meaning) gives the same prize to those who don't work as hard for it.

That said, if they made it a PVP only buff...I'd be okay with that too, because that too would be fair. You'd also see complaints come flying in about PVE needing nerfs, but that's another matter.

That's the thing. Many PVE Guilds make no effort to help their PVP Campaign but are rewarded advantages in PVE because they have a strong PVP Faction.

Alcast · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

Psychobunni wrote: »

I can't say I think "It's imbalanced and unfair" because it's an option to every player lvl 10 and up, so in that respect it's completely fair.

If you want to be on the leaderboards but are too lazy to utilize every benefit, you can't complain about not being as competitive as others who make the extra effort to gain every edge they can. This is life, no competition (of any meaning) gives the same prize to those who don't work as hard for it.

That said, if they made it a PVP only buff...I'd be okay with that too, because that too would be fair. You'd also see complaints come flying in about PVE needing nerfs, but that's another matter.

So you are saying ME as a PvE person HAVE TO go to PvP and get buffs? man, you dont get it right? But its okay, its okay..

EgoRush · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

They need to be removed completely. How is it fair to allow some factions to consistently attempt trials with massive boosts to their stats when other factions get them intermittently at best? It is absolutely ridiculous.

Honestly, who can vote that it's fair when the majority of the time there is no even playing field?!!

Psychobunni · June 2015

I like it. It's fair.

Alcast wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

I can't say I think "It's imbalanced and unfair" because it's an option to every player lvl 10 and up, so in that respect it's completely fair.

If you want to be on the leaderboards but are too lazy to utilize every benefit, you can't complain about not being as competitive as others who make the extra effort to gain every edge they can. This is life, no competition (of any meaning) gives the same prize to those who don't work as hard for it.

That said, if they made it a PVP only buff...I'd be okay with that too, because that too would be fair. You'd also see complaints come flying in about PVE needing nerfs, but that's another matter.

So you are saying ME as a PvE person HAVE TO go to PvP and get buffs? man, you dont get it right? But its okay, its okay..

No, you don't get it. The example given is PVE leaderboards, and in that respect the current set up is fair. For anyone trying to make leaderboards there is no buff offered to one group that is not offered to another. It's not even hidden behind a pay wall or an addon. It is there for every player to utilize if they so choose. If you choose not to utilize it, that's your problem. As much as running a sub optimum build and expecting optimum results....etc.

@SirEwan Do I think it's fair PVE only players get a benefit from PVP without ever stepping foot?, *no*. Which is why I said if the buffs were cyro only.... then that would be fair as well. But your line of reasoning for the poll didn't exactly ask that.

Emma_Overload · June 2015

I do not like it. It's imbalanced and unfair.

PvP players don't like the buffs because it distorts the population of their servers, and many PvE players (like me) don't like the buffs because they create unfair imbalances between players in different factions. Getting rid of the PvP buffs would also have the beneficial side effect of cutting down most of the begging for a faction change option.

ZoS could kill the PvP buffs with a simple patch like a hotfix, why don't they do it?

timidobserver · June 2015

With the champion system, PvP buffs are not really needed anymore.

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