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[POLL] : Show your support for Duels within your faction 1v1
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Nihili✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)wilsonirayb16_ESO wrote: »No, because I can't stand being at a crafting station or doing something else in a town that makes sense to do in a town and a bunch of dweebs are spraying fire everywhere while doing the childish bunny hop all over the place.
It also defeats the purpose of being alliance united against the enemy. ZOS made a whole game based around lore and canon, they should stick to it.
I'd only support duels if :- They remove alliance restrictions on PVE content
- You can only duel outside of a town (and that includes quest hub areas or camps out in the world)
Omg did you read the thread? It would be outside cities (so no where near your crafting) and it would be considered training for the war if you want lore-reasons. Well done providing arguments for things already discussed.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???
I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL
Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.
It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.
@Tandor
"lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.
Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.
Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..
Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.
If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.
The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.
I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.
The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.
This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.
The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.
People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?
PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.
There have been several suggestions of how to implement duelling without causing a problem for people that do not like it. One which would completely eliminate the issue is to have duels only occur in certain places- like a training ground in Cyrodiil for example.
As shown in this thread, at least some of the people that want duels have listened to the other side and have suggested compromises that while not exactly what they might have originally wanted, will still allow them to duel while also ensuring it does not impact the game experience of other members of the community.
So now that you have been given a clear example of a way to implement duels without it having to impact your gameplay and also been shown how people on the other side are actually trying to think of ways to be inclusive and cater for other members of the community, what do you think?
My position is clear in post #47 on page 1.
All I've been doing lately is defending those who have given good reasons for holding their views - whether I agree with them or not - against those who accuse them of being selfish or obstructive because they happen to hold a different view to those making the accusations.
Bear in mind also, of course, that people are asked to vote on the proposition outlined in the original post, not in the light of any subsequent discussion.
We have repeatedly posted ways to implement a duelling system that takes into account all of the concerns raised by people in this thread.
Some of them, not all of them. People are still entitled to hold a contrary opinion without being insulted. You need to wake up to the fact that people will continue to oppose your ideas if you continue to call them selfish, obstructive, and negative. What possible reason is there for them to change their views to accord with those who are insulting them?
People with different views are not bad, people who persist in being obstructionist when they no longer have any logical reason to be are being selfish and obstinate. Since I have already spelled this out to you a few times but you continue to try and misrepresent my position I can only assume that you fall into the same bracket.
I'm not misrepresenting your position at all, you again accuse people of being obstructive and selfish because they hold a different view to you and aren't swayed by your arguments that their views have been accounted for. No argument at all has been put forward to counter the view, for example, that the introduction of duelling would divert developer resources from more important things, nor has any argument been put forward to counter people's individual experience of having been pursued and harassed when declining duels in other games.
There will always be tension in PvE areas when PvP is introduced to them, and that is reflected in the discussion here. As always, it is the PvPers who throw the insults around when others have the temerity to disagree with them. This discussion is no different, and has run its course.
I am not interested in changing people's views, I want to listen to what people think about this and then come up with solutions so that a duelling system can be introduced without hurting other players game experience. And that is exactly what I and others in this thread have done. We have already thought of ways to introduce a duelling system that takes into account all the fears expressed by the nay sayers in this thread.
Personally I would be happy with just the standard duel anywhere system like in wow, but the most common reason among people who do not want a duel system seems to be that they have had to deal with some sort of harassment in that system. We thought of a way to totally side-step that problem (and other issues), but even after addressing all the concerns you are still against it -just "because". Your irrational hate for pvp is not a valid reason for not having duelling in the game.
Answers have been provided to some of the reasonable objections to duelling, not to all of them. Where are the solutions to the diversion of developer resources, the ongoing harassment of individuals who decline duels, or the constant "nerf this, buff that" complaints based on 1 vs 1 PvP that will affect balancing decisions in relation to the whole game?
Nowhere have I provided any irrational hate for PvP. On the contrary, you told me in an earlier post that my personal view was reasonable. I'm perfectly fine with PvP. In Cyrodiil. I don't want it in the open world, whether masquerading as the Justice System or otherwise, but duelling in private instances would be ok so long as it was placed well down the list of priorities for developer resources. As the main reason for wanting it seems to be to test classes and skills so as to provide feedback, perhaps it should just be introduced on the PTS where that feedback would be most useful.Edited by Tandor on June 3, 2015 10:37PM0 -
SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)MercyKilling wrote: »The game does not need more PvP options. <--that's a period. Means full stop.
Lol this guy though.
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Yasha✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???
I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL
Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.
It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.
@Tandor
"lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.
Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.
Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..
Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.
If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.
The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.
I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.
The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.
This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.
The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.
People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?
PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.
There have been several suggestions of how to implement duelling without causing a problem for people that do not like it. One which would completely eliminate the issue is to have duels only occur in certain places- like a training ground in Cyrodiil for example.
As shown in this thread, at least some of the people that want duels have listened to the other side and have suggested compromises that while not exactly what they might have originally wanted, will still allow them to duel while also ensuring it does not impact the game experience of other members of the community.
So now that you have been given a clear example of a way to implement duels without it having to impact your gameplay and also been shown how people on the other side are actually trying to think of ways to be inclusive and cater for other members of the community, what do you think?
My position is clear in post #47 on page 1.
All I've been doing lately is defending those who have given good reasons for holding their views - whether I agree with them or not - against those who accuse them of being selfish or obstructive because they happen to hold a different view to those making the accusations.
Bear in mind also, of course, that people are asked to vote on the proposition outlined in the original post, not in the light of any subsequent discussion.
We have repeatedly posted ways to implement a duelling system that takes into account all of the concerns raised by people in this thread.
Some of them, not all of them. People are still entitled to hold a contrary opinion without being insulted. You need to wake up to the fact that people will continue to oppose your ideas if you continue to call them selfish, obstructive, and negative. What possible reason is there for them to change their views to accord with those who are insulting them?
People with different views are not bad, people who persist in being obstructionist when they no longer have any logical reason to be are being selfish and obstinate. Since I have already spelled this out to you a few times but you continue to try and misrepresent my position I can only assume that you fall into the same bracket.
I'm not misrepresenting your position at all, you again accuse people of being obstructive and selfish because they hold a different view to you and aren't swayed by your arguments that their views have been accounted for. No argument at all has been put forward to counter the view, for example, that the introduction of duelling would divert developer resources from more important things, nor has any argument been put forward to counter people's individual experience of having been pursued and harassed when declining duels in other games.
There will always be tension in PvE areas when PvP is introduced to them, and that is reflected in the discussion here. As always, it is the PvPers who throw the insults around when others have the temerity to disagree with them. This discussion is no different, and has run its course.
I am not interested in changing people's views, I want to listen to what people think about this and then come up with solutions so that a duelling system can be introduced without hurting other players game experience. And that is exactly what I and others in this thread have done. We have already thought of ways to introduce a duelling system that takes into account all the fears expressed by the nay sayers in this thread.
Personally I would be happy with just the standard duel anywhere system like in wow, but the most common reason among people who do not want a duel system seems to be that they have had to deal with some sort of harassment in that system. We thought of a way to totally side-step that problem (and other issues), but even after addressing all the concerns you are still against it -just "because". Your irrational hate for pvp is not a valid reason for not having duelling in the game.
Answers have been provided to some of the reasonable objections to duelling, not to all of them. Where are the solutions to the diversion of developer resources, the ongoing harassment of individuals who decline duels, or the constant "nerf this, buff that" complaints based on 1 vs 1 PvP that will affect balancing decisions in relation to the whole game?
Nowhere have I provided any irrational hate for PvP. On the contrary, you told me in an earlier post that my personal view was reasonable. I'm perfectly fine with PvP. In Cyrodiil. I don't want it in the open world, whether masquerading as the Justice System or otherwise, but duelling in private instances would be ok so long as it was placed well down the list of priorities for developer resources. As the main reason for wanting it seems to be to test classes and skills so as to provide feedback, perhaps it should just be introduced on the PTS where that feedback would be most useful.
The only major difference in your view and mine on the issue of duels is that I want it to be implemented sooner than you.
I don't think you have understood the reasons why people want a duelling system though- certainly the main reason is not just to provide feedback, in fact that has absolutely nothing to do with why I would like to duel.
Finally we have addressed the "reasonable" objections, for example a duelling zone in Cyrodiil or another specific spot in the normal world would mean no duel requests could be made unless players were actually in that specific area/spot. If you go there expect to be asked to duel, anywhere else and there is not even an option to request a duel.
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KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)
And PVPers would accept ZOS position silently, right?Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »and a statement from ZOS saying that they balance the classes for AvA combat. Just because they allow duels does not mean they are going to re-balance the game for 1v1.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)Anyone voting no is plain selfish. If you vote no you think only aobut yourself WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD IT DO TO YOU IF THERE WAS DUEL WITH A OPTION IN MENU TO DESACTIVATE THEM ???
I SEE 86 SELFISH PLAYER IN THE POLL
Complete nonsense. A number of very clear reasons have been given by people opposed to the introduction of duelling, including increased PvE lag, diversion of developer resources from more important issues, expansion of PvP into PvE areas, and increased complaints on skill balance issues based solely on PvP considerations but which would impact on PvE, to name a few.
It's not remotely selfish to hold a different opinion on something to you.
@Tandor
"lag in PvE" that is ridiculous, I don't see how adding duelling would create zergs and lag trains, so there is zero reason why this would add any more lag than there is currently.
Some have said "I don't want to be harrassed by people who want to duel me and who call me chicken"
My answer : toggle ability to see or not see the duel invites. And if you can't handle someone who spams whispers to you, you have nothing to do on the internet my friend. Also /ignore will instantly rid you of the problem.
Another fact that people seem to forget, is that we all play on a megaserver. Not everyone is in the same zone. Guess what the server does? It places in the zone your guild mates, friends, and people who take part in the same kind of activity as you. Which is why, if you hate PvP so much and are only member of PvE guilds, there is a good chance you wouldn't even meet duellers..
Balance issues? Just know that on the NA and on the EU servers there are already duelling guild (Legend in Na if i'm not mistaken and Arena in EU). People already duel the heck out of each other, and it's a good thing because it highlights the bugs and imbalances in the game. You won't see more posts than there already are, because the people who want to duel their faction already duel the opposing factions.
If you think PvP imbalances influence PvE too much, it's true on both sides. Guess what major change happened because of PvE tanks whining? Ultimate generation. Ners and buffs are going to happen.
The only semi valid argument you have is the diversion of developer resources from "more important issues", because we all want this game to be fixed before adding new content.
I wasn't raising those points as mine, although I agree with some of them. I was countering the accusation that people who vote against duelling are selfish with no thoughts for anyone but themselves. I made the point that those people have raised a number of perfectly valid reasons for voting against duelling, whether others agree with them or not. They are entitled to hold those views and vote accordingly, and to do so is not remotely selfish any more than to vote for duelling is selfish because it fails to take account of the views of those who oppose it.
The main reason presented by people against duels is not wanting to be harassed everywhere to participate in a duel. Solutions to get around that issue have been repeatedly posted, but it doesn't seem to sway their opinion. Similarly solutions or compromise on a few of the other sticking points such as potential lag in pve have been discussed. And again no one seems to change their stance.
This suggests to me that many of the people voting "no" are just being obstructionist for the sake of it. And that is not cool imo. Look, this is a feature that would greatly aid players who love pvp and if there is some way to implement it without adversely impacting gameplay for you I would encourage you to change your stance and support it, or at least not to obstruct it.
The only solution to harrassment offered that I can recall is to have an auto-decline feature, but Aneima explains in post #85 why that doesn't always provide a sufficient answer.
People are entitled to their point of view regardless of which side of the fence they're on. If you're going to complain that the "no" voters are only thinking of themselves and haven't changed their position to reflect the opposite arguments then please confirm how many "yes" voters are thinking of others and have changed their position?
PvP always causes friction between PvPers and PvEers, and that's why it is best kept in separate PvP areas. Both sets of players hold very strong views on it and are unlikely to change them, but that doesn't mean that only one side is entitled to hold those views and express them when asked a simple question like "Do you support duels". When some PvPers attack not only the argument but also the character of the PvEers (e.g "you're selfish") then it only reinforces the PvEers' view that they want nothing to do with PvP in any form.
There have been several suggestions of how to implement duelling without causing a problem for people that do not like it. One which would completely eliminate the issue is to have duels only occur in certain places- like a training ground in Cyrodiil for example.
As shown in this thread, at least some of the people that want duels have listened to the other side and have suggested compromises that while not exactly what they might have originally wanted, will still allow them to duel while also ensuring it does not impact the game experience of other members of the community.
So now that you have been given a clear example of a way to implement duels without it having to impact your gameplay and also been shown how people on the other side are actually trying to think of ways to be inclusive and cater for other members of the community, what do you think?
My position is clear in post #47 on page 1.
All I've been doing lately is defending those who have given good reasons for holding their views - whether I agree with them or not - against those who accuse them of being selfish or obstructive because they happen to hold a different view to those making the accusations.
Bear in mind also, of course, that people are asked to vote on the proposition outlined in the original post, not in the light of any subsequent discussion.
We have repeatedly posted ways to implement a duelling system that takes into account all of the concerns raised by people in this thread.
Some of them, not all of them. People are still entitled to hold a contrary opinion without being insulted. You need to wake up to the fact that people will continue to oppose your ideas if you continue to call them selfish, obstructive, and negative. What possible reason is there for them to change their views to accord with those who are insulting them?
People with different views are not bad, people who persist in being obstructionist when they no longer have any logical reason to be are being selfish and obstinate. Since I have already spelled this out to you a few times but you continue to try and misrepresent my position I can only assume that you fall into the same bracket.
I'm not misrepresenting your position at all, you again accuse people of being obstructive and selfish because they hold a different view to you and aren't swayed by your arguments that their views have been accounted for. No argument at all has been put forward to counter the view, for example, that the introduction of duelling would divert developer resources from more important things, nor has any argument been put forward to counter people's individual experience of having been pursued and harassed when declining duels in other games.
There will always be tension in PvE areas when PvP is introduced to them, and that is reflected in the discussion here. As always, it is the PvPers who throw the insults around when others have the temerity to disagree with them. This discussion is no different, and has run its course.
I am not interested in changing people's views, I want to listen to what people think about this and then come up with solutions so that a duelling system can be introduced without hurting other players game experience. And that is exactly what I and others in this thread have done. We have already thought of ways to introduce a duelling system that takes into account all the fears expressed by the nay sayers in this thread.
Personally I would be happy with just the standard duel anywhere system like in wow, but the most common reason among people who do not want a duel system seems to be that they have had to deal with some sort of harassment in that system. We thought of a way to totally side-step that problem (and other issues), but even after addressing all the concerns you are still against it -just "because". Your irrational hate for pvp is not a valid reason for not having duelling in the game.
Answers have been provided to some of the reasonable objections to duelling, not to all of them. Where are the solutions to the diversion of developer resources, the ongoing harassment of individuals who decline duels, or the constant "nerf this, buff that" complaints based on 1 vs 1 PvP that will affect balancing decisions in relation to the whole game?
Nowhere have I provided any irrational hate for PvP. On the contrary, you told me in an earlier post that my personal view was reasonable. I'm perfectly fine with PvP. In Cyrodiil. I don't want it in the open world, whether masquerading as the Justice System or otherwise, but duelling in private instances would be ok so long as it was placed well down the list of priorities for developer resources. As the main reason for wanting it seems to be to test classes and skills so as to provide feedback, perhaps it should just be introduced on the PTS where that feedback would be most useful.
The only major difference in your view and mine on the issue of duels is that I want it to be implemented sooner than you.
I don't think you have understood the reasons why people want a duelling system though- certainly the main reason is not just to provide feedback, in fact that has absolutely nothing to do with why I would like to duel.
Finally we have addressed the "reasonable" objections, for example a duelling zone in Cyrodiil or another specific spot in the normal world would mean no duel requests could be made unless players were actually in that specific area/spot. If you go there expect to be asked to duel, anywhere else and there is not even an option to request a duel.
I happily accept that such a solution addresses one of the three main objections I mentioned (although restricting duelling to Cyrodiil or other specific instances isn't universally supported by those who favour duelling, some even want it in cities and others want it outside cities but anywhere else in the open world). The other two objections remain unresolved - because there is no disputing them given that the introduction of duelling would divert developer resources from other things and would lead to constant "nerf this/buff that" complaints based on 1 vs 1 PvP to the detriment of the rest of the game. Those alone are valid enough reasons to oppose duelling regardless of other concerns and the solutions offered to those other concerns.
I know the feedback issue isn't the reason some people want duelling, but it is always touted as one of the main reasons because it enables those wanting duelling to make it sound like they are doing ZOS and the rest of us a favour. If it was on the PTS only then it would serve that function, and anyone else who wanted to duel for other reasons would be welcome to do so on that server. However, it wasn't a serious suggestion, just a logical response to those seeking to justify duelling on that particular basis.Edited by Tandor on June 4, 2015 12:51PM1 -
Sighlynce✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Sounds like a good idea. I mean we have arranged duels between the Factions why not have them within. Plus now if a duel is set up you have to go on zone chat and tell everyone that the AD/DC or EHP person waiting at X is dueling me , leave em' alone. It would be great to have a designated area . It s actually fun ! If you don't want to participate don't, watching is entertaining because usually there's 5/6 on either side ! Its great
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Sighlynce✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)What is this "In your faction" BS? You should be allowed to duel anytime, anywhere, with any consenting player.
Cross faction dueling in Cyrodiil is pretty common . It would be nice though if we could duel within our own faction and guild for training purposes and fun
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax2 -
SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)People keep saying
if you dont accept duel
some one going chase them and /chicken
I dont see people running around /chicken
at people who dont accept group inv
just saying
if your truly love this game
you would want the best for community
Let the community be happy
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Aneima✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)People keep saying
if you dont accept duel
some one going chase them and /chicken
I dont see people running around /chicken
at people who dont accept group inv
just saying
if your truly love this game
you would want the best for community
Let the community be happy
LET THE DUELS BEGIN
I played a game called Order and Chaos online for 3 years. Basically it's a WoW ripoff.I was there before and after duels/Pvp was implemented.Before duels there was no nerfs to classes, no cash shops giving players the option to buy buffs to enhance attributes, less lag and the majority of the community were actually super friendly and nice. Now that game has changed completely. Every class has been nerfed, every buff you can think of is now available in the cash shop and can be used in arenas and duels, mostly every player I've come across in arenas and duels act like jerks. To make matters worse the game use to have a small monthly subscription but for the past two years it's been free to play and the only way to compete is Pvp is to use gems to upgrade your gear....which btw are extremely rare to get but you can purchase with real money. I was in 5 different guilds after each one died and faded away due to the disgust the players had with the drastic changes the company made with that game.
I truly loved playing that game. What they did was it best for the community? I would argue it was best for the company instead. I'm not saying ESO would even become like this but in the end I will say I like this game enough to be happy with it the way it is now. More than anything this game needs updates and new content regularly. That will keep a lot of players more happy and keep money in ZOS's pockets. Adding dueling isn't going to do the same but rather make things worse. Instead of the devs focusing on new content and ideas they are going to have to focus more on class balances and the new onslaught of issues that will arise that the players will complain about with dueling. If you search the forums there are more posts that want new content and a better endgame. This is what the community really wants and really needs. Not dueling.0 -
Skiserony✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)If you want to duel, join a dueling guild. I really think Cyrodiil will feel it when dueling in own faction is allowed.
I's rather see an arena or something than dueling in your own faction.0 -
Akrasjel✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Other game propably done this...
Some king of arenas in the faction capitals for people for duel, 2v2, 4v4 maby...
With possibility for people to sith there and watch them...
And maby with a in built beting system... but it would probably be exiploited by riging matech and similar[PC][EU][Daggerfall Covenant]
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Born: 2E 551
Member of: | Traders of the Covenant | Hammerfell Trading | Imperial Trading Company |
Houses: Strident Springs Demesne,0 -
YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Seth_Black wrote: »[...]
they already said they are going to add it after justice system some time in the near future :-)
they will also add a function to stop people spamming request i imagine so if you don't like duels you can turn them off !
[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on July 7, 2015 12:26AMMeh!1 -
SanderBuraas✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Dueling should be implemented as soon as possible, it is one of the highest requested features.2
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Aneima✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)In the past month I read posts of people complaining about the imperial class, dodge rolling and fear being over powered. Want more complaints of imbalance? Want more nerfs? Easy...just add duels.1
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SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)I honestly believe ZOS will bring dueling within factions
it will get them more subs
other stuff they could do , make more money for their company0 -
Yasha✭✭✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)granty2008cyb16_ESO wrote: »Seth_Black wrote: »[...]
they already said they are going to add it after justice system some time in the near future :-)
they will also add a function to stop people spamming request i imagine so if you don't like duels you can turn them off !
Do you have a source for this? I vaguely recall seeing something about it, but I can't remember where.
[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on July 7, 2015 12:26AM1 -
SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)i heard rumor , duels coming when justice thing comes ,is this trueEdited by SIXR_sCaR on June 10, 2015 4:37AM0
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SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)what console players think about ,do you want duels within your faction ?0
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Felgor✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Loved dueling in Dark Age of Camelot!Felgor of Pellinor - Breton Templar1 -
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✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Because it is fun and gives you practice at PVP! I would also take it a step further where we can fight guards in a certain area where it does not put a bounty on you. You only get experience at fighting them no actually xp.Edited by BigM on June 11, 2015 4:12PM“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Koomba✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Bragging rights amongst friends! And it's simply just fun!2
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seaef✭✭✭✭✭NO to duels within Faction ( comment why you would NOT want it too)Voted no but I don't dual anymore. The first thing I do in any MMO is turn off duel requests. People can't seem to take no for an answer when I'm involved in something so I just leave it off permanently."The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
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SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Dueling on Console would be sooo amazing ,hopefully it comes soon0
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Lisa✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Guild Duel Nights! Last man/woman standing wins top prize. Sounds fun!Blessed are those who explore the unbeaten path...1 -
ConnorJS✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Just another reason for people to want items removed, classes nerfed, classes buffed, blah, blah, blah. Which would be very entertaining to watch on the forums. Especially the subsequent trolling they would receive.Edited by ConnorJS on June 12, 2015 7:12PM1 -
SIXR_sCaR✭✭✭YES to duels within Faction ( comment why you would want it too)Guild Duel Nights! Last man/woman standing wins top prize. Sounds fun!
i use to do this in WoW
i was guild leader gave out
first place 5k gold
second place 2k gold
third place 500g
we would post champion on guild notes
people were really happy ,built up good community in my guild 0
