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Why console players got a better game than PC players...
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stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭If the PC version wasn't intended to play with addons, we would never have had the ability to use them.
That something can be done in the game doesn't necessarily mean it was meant to be possible, nor that it's good for the game. Oversights happen, and I am pretty sure ZOS did not fully envision exactly what kind of add-ons people would create and use, and for what purposes. It is very clear that a PvP player without add-ons is at a strong disadvantage against players who choose to sprinkle stats and numbers and countdowns all over their screen. I'm not sure if those add-ons are absolutely required to play the game well, but they certainly make it a lot easier.
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Calluna✭✭✭I pvp quite a bit and have never seen anyone used the addon mentioned to change gear anywhere near a battle. It just doesn't happen. There are lots of PVP exploits but changing gear using the outfitter addon would be at the bottom of the list as far as impact.1 -
coryevans_3b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »If the PC version wasn't intended to play with addons, we would never have had the ability to use them.
That something can be done in the game doesn't necessarily mean it was meant to be possible, nor that it's good for the game. Oversights happen, and I am pretty sure ZOS did not fully envision exactly what kind of add-ons people would create and use, and for what purposes. It is very clear that a PvP player without add-ons is at a strong disadvantage against players who choose to sprinkle stats and numbers and countdowns all over their screen. I'm not sure if those add-ons are absolutely required to play the game well, but they certainly make it a lot easier.
Ok, so EVERY TES game has had more mods/add ons then any other game I've seen. Every TES game that is, with the exception of console. So, PC is the way the game was meant to be played. Console you are limited.
Also, countless TES developers have really liked the idea of community driven addons/mods. Look it up.
Oh and these advantages people are talking about are silly.
Here's another puppy.
Edited by coryevans_3b14_ESO on June 12, 2015 12:32PM2 -
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OP, it would be gamebreaking if it wasn't available to all players on the same platform. From your description, you are essentially providing them the opportunity. (The legitimization of the timeframe could easily be accounted for via Arcane abilities.)elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:
Its allowed but Macros are not...
Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.
show me just one video link someone changing gear during fight...
Please re-read my OP. I have admitted to making a mistake. The change only happens outside of combat. I disagree with those who say/claim it is ok to do this. I am entitled to my opinion on why this is game breaking, for me at least.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hp6OHjc5Yw
If you're initiating combat and offer them a chance to change their setup (you're not initiating combat fast enough, giving them a chance to counter, so to speak), the issue is not their own. Additionally, if you would (normally) choose a different setup to counter their alternate gear (you're making some assumptions ahead of time, like anyone is regarding a foe), and you see them change on approach, you could have your counter-setup the same way using the very same options they have.
So you move towards the fight, they switch gear, you do the same, then initiate combat...
Regarding immersion/allowances, the counterargument is that you should be able to change skills/gear during combat, albeit one at a time (manually). The delay/penalty (if hit) could be inversely proportional to certain stats or skill line level, or it could simply be as fast as you can open your skillbar and swap something out.
You should be more open to attack at that point, but unless you are stunned or incapacitated in some fashion, it does not seem unreasonable that you should be able to alter your setup. There should simply be a penalty (time or lowered defense) for doing so.
You can instantly swap a full weapon and skill set with the press of a button once you hit L15. How is it honestly any different?
Another way to put it, if I'm a master of a skill line (maxed out), do you honestly think I'm going to suddenly 'forget' a particular maneuver in the heat of battle, or is it actually more reasonable that the higher my level and skill line level, the more likely it is I would have more possibilities at my disposal?
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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parpin✭✭✭agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.1 -
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✭agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
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asteldian✭✭✭✭To each his own I guess. ZOS' reason for not having a wykkyd outfitter as part of UI was not intent, it was sloppy design. The game is designed to have multiple roles yet the default UI is clunky and annoying to do so, made worse with awful inventory.
There is a reason Rift allowed gear and role swaps via the press of a button, its common sense. It is unforgivable that ZOS still has not bothered adding this, and frankly the only reason they get away with it is because of add ons. A luxory they won't have for console, so expect so see a wykkyd type mechanic be added to the UI.
As for numbers, with or without them there will be elitists, people seem to think ignorance is a viable excuse for playing poorly. It isn't and you will soon find even without add ons that elitists will kick you for being crap, the only difference is you do not have the tools to test your builds to get better. A good player can usually spot a bad one from a mile away regardless of add ons. On console you just won't have the ability to prove them wrong via posting dps, instead they will kick you because they think you are bad.1 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP the way the game was designed the devs actually approved the use of addons or they would of never allowed lua files in the first place. Sad part and I hate to bring up WOW but as time went on they started adding addons that were really well made to the game options. I don't see why this was not done the last year while working on console.
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info944-TESOIngameMessenger-TIMforUpdate6.html this could of been embedded with no real problems and helped you guys out a lot. I could show a few more that really would of enhanced the play style in consoles. Maybe one day.
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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parpin✭✭✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
you are the one who misinforming every one..soon people like you will ask others to have FTC and have group dps option or kick very similar to wow clone stuff.
i am jealous..the addons are free..i can have it any time i want..why should i be jealous because of free garbage
i am uninformed...i know exactly how stuff like FTC works not only on this game but on other games as well.. there are similar addons in other wow clone games like rift and i have seen how fast it promotes elitism.
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and watch your mouth man..we are not your mother.
Edited by parpin on June 12, 2015 1:10PM1 -
coryevans_3b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
you are the one who misinforming every one..soon people like you will ask others to have FTC and have group dps option or kick very similar to wow clone stuff.
i am jealous..the addons are free..i have it any time i want..why should i be jealous because of free garbage
i am uninformed...i know exactly how stuff like FTC works not only on this game but on other games as well.. there are similar addons in other wow clone games like rift and i have seen how fast it promotes elitism.
AND:
and watch your mouth man..we are not your mother.
Watch my mouth? Sorry you have mother issues.1 -
parpin✭✭✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
you are the one who misinforming every one..soon people like you will ask others to have FTC and have group dps option or kick very similar to wow clone stuff.
i am jealous..the addons are free..i have it any time i want..why should i be jealous because of free garbage
i am uninformed...i know exactly how stuff like FTC works not only on this game but on other games as well.. there are similar addons in other wow clone games like rift and i have seen how fast it promotes elitism.
AND:
and watch your mouth man..we are not your mother.
Watch my mouth? Sorry you have mother issues.
OMG..and you call yourself a smart person..you did not even get obvious insult..quit playing games go out side..it is good for you
Edited by parpin on June 12, 2015 1:14PM1 -
coryevans_3b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
you are the one who misinforming every one..soon people like you will ask others to have FTC and have group dps option or kick very similar to wow clone stuff.
i am jealous..the addons are free..i have it any time i want..why should i be jealous because of free garbage
i am uninformed...i know exactly how stuff like FTC works not only on this game but on other games as well.. there are similar addons in other wow clone games like rift and i have seen how fast it promotes elitism.
AND:
and watch your mouth man..we are not your mother.
Watch my mouth? Sorry you have mother issues.
OMG..and you call yourself a smart person..you did not even get obvious insult..quit playing games go out side..it is good for you
I didn't acknowledge your childish insult completely because insulting people isn't very nice. If calling you jealous or extremely uninformed got you that angry I apologize. Maybe this isn't the game for you?1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭On the list of game-breaking things in ESO, the ability to swap gear and skills outside of combat using Wykyyds Outfitter or such mods (the op has already admitted his mistake that they can NOT be swapped IN combat) is...hold on, let me check the list....
Oh man, this didn't even make the list.0 -
parpin✭✭✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
you are the one who misinforming every one..soon people like you will ask others to have FTC and have group dps option or kick very similar to wow clone stuff.
i am jealous..the addons are free..i have it any time i want..why should i be jealous because of free garbage
i am uninformed...i know exactly how stuff like FTC works not only on this game but on other games as well.. there are similar addons in other wow clone games like rift and i have seen how fast it promotes elitism.
AND:
and watch your mouth man..we are not your mother.
Watch my mouth? Sorry you have mother issues.
OMG..and you call yourself a smart person..you did not even get obvious insult..quit playing games go out side..it is good for you
I didn't acknowledge your childish insult completely because insulting people isn't very nice. If calling you jealous or extremely uninformed got you that angry I apologize. Maybe this isn't the game for you?
i apologize for insulting you..but it was you who started the whole thing just state your opinion with respect i might even agree with you.
no puppy stuff in the future because people will fight back..just be civilized and grown up.
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✭✭✭✭✭I am sorry, but I have to say that the PC version is the better version of the game, despite its flaws and bugs.
- Graphics wise, Tamriel looks gorgeous on PC. I find the graphics on the console version a little jagged and the textures aren't great.
This is on a relatively low end graphics card.
- Immersion: We see character names. This greatly helps the feeling of being in Tamriel.
- Text chat: This also helps with immersion, finding, selling, and RP if you so fancy!
- Addons.
- Community: The PC community has generally been very pleasant, helpful and willing to help others since the game's beta.
- PTS: We get to test new content.
Those are a few reasons. All my own opinion, of course.Sweetrolls for all!
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BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
you are the one who misinforming every one..soon people like you will ask others to have FTC and have group dps option or kick very similar to wow clone stuff.
i am jealous..the addons are free..i have it any time i want..why should i be jealous because of free garbage
i am uninformed...i know exactly how stuff like FTC works not only on this game but on other games as well.. there are similar addons in other wow clone games like rift and i have seen how fast it promotes elitism.
AND:
and watch your mouth man..we are not your mother.
Watch my mouth? Sorry you have mother issues.
OMG..and you call yourself a smart person..you did not even get obvious insult..quit playing games go out side..it is good for you
I didn't acknowledge your childish insult completely because insulting people isn't very nice. If calling you jealous or extremely uninformed got you that angry I apologize. Maybe this isn't the game for you?
i apologize for insulting you..but it was you who started the whole thing just state your opinion with respect i might even agree with you.
no puppy stuff in the future because people will fight back..just be civilized and grown up.
Conversations like this is exactly why other games have made sure never to put PC/MAC together with consoles. Not like the war hasn't been going on for years. Plus it makes the mods jobs easier.
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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gard✭✭✭✭✭elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »As far as I know the API doesn't allow changing gears and skills during combat. Outside combat it is possible and I see no issue there as it could be done outside combat manually too.
Show me a player changing their armour right before the fight starts... He must be able to do it in the blink of an eye to compete with this mod - they do not stand a chance...
I see you, your in light armour with two swords, I begin to formulate how I intend to whoop your butt (If I can)... Then just as I start to run towards you you change into Full plate with a sword and board... Suddenly my plan on whooping you just broke, right as you land the first blow.
This is a game breaker.
Game breaker? Hardly. Sorry, just don't see it. Strategize faster.
Most of the time I wear the servant disguise from one of the quests at the DC starter island. So other than my weapon, you can't see what I'm wearing anyway. Everyone can weapon swap at the press of a button.
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✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
you are the one who misinforming every one..soon people like you will ask others to have FTC and have group dps option or kick very similar to wow clone stuff.
i am jealous..the addons are free..i have it any time i want..why should i be jealous because of free garbage
i am uninformed...i know exactly how stuff like FTC works not only on this game but on other games as well.. there are similar addons in other wow clone games like rift and i have seen how fast it promotes elitism.
AND:
and watch your mouth man..we are not your mother.
Watch my mouth? Sorry you have mother issues.
OMG..and you call yourself a smart person..you did not even get obvious insult..quit playing games go out side..it is good for you
I didn't acknowledge your childish insult completely because insulting people isn't very nice. If calling you jealous or extremely uninformed got you that angry I apologize. Maybe this isn't the game for you?
i apologize for insulting you..but it was you who started the whole thing just state your opinion with respect i might even agree with you.
no puppy stuff in the future because people will fight back..just be civilized and grown up.
Conversations like this is exactly why other games have made sure never to put PC/MAC together with consoles. Not like the war hasn't been going on for years. Plus it makes the mods jobs easier.
This^^^
And the gentlemen before you asked for more puppy stuff, but I got a hamster instead.
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Raizin✭✭✭✭elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »This is just my opinion. You are free to agree or not but I would ask that if you feel the need to rant after reading this - Go for a walk first so you don't look to stupid when replying
For the record I am a PC player - I would never allow a console into my house, they are the spawn of Satan IMO.
1. Graphics - Lets ignore this as it is quite clear the PC version has better graphics.
2. Chat - Yup, PC wins there too. Text chat in game and of course Teamspeak (Other VOIP software exists).
3. Addons - This is where it all changes. Zenima's choice to allow add-ons is breaking the game and turning it into something which it was designed not to be.
How many times have you been PvP'ing an opponent only to suddenly see their armour and weapons change plus the attacks they use change... Kind of ruins any plan you had on beating this bloke...
** EDIT: I made a mistake, this can only be done outside of combat but it is being used right before combat and right after. Going to fight? Put opn heavy hitting stuff - Finished fighting? Put on healing gear and staff, heal up ready for the next victim.
So lets break this down. The game is built to allow us to change weapons and the skills associated with them, seems like the devs made a choice to limit this to a sensible two weapon/ability sets, great! So why is an add-on allowed that changes this to allow full armour sets to be changed - multiple sets of weapons, armours and skill bars at the click of a button - Not what the game was meant to be, not what we are taught in the tutorial but still it's allowed.
You now have no choice but to play in the same way or your screwed. This is just one add-on, their are others which, for me at least, break the game. Console players can't have add-ons so they win. They get the game the way the devs intended it to be while on the PC we are left with a lot *of add-ons which are actually more like mods, math lovers who just want a screen full of numbers or it's not an MMO and elitist guilds that resent B2P/Returning players while insisting you min/max stats or your just wasting your life.
So if like me you were sold on the game's mechanics being similar to other Elder Scrolls games the game is now nothing more than any other half hearted Korean MMO.
Well done console players, for once you got the better game.
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- Graphics wise, Tamriel looks gorgeous on PC. I find the graphics on the console version a little jagged and the textures aren't great.
This is a screenshoot taken from a beta of age of conan in april 2007.
I think ESO has relativly dated graphics, and as the years pass it will age quickly. That's my guess atleast.
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✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
1. Jealous
2. Extremely uninformed
Here's a puppy!!!
dude just stop. Prop you dont understand wath Ppl are able to do and wath is the mainproblem of this kinde of mods.
They split the playerbase into two Groups, and here is no space for it, OR Zos should creat 2 new Server for Addons and 2 without addons.
ppls without mods will never be able to Claim the leaderboard
FTC has now the Option to log the dps from all Groupmembers, im still waiting until i see the first guild/raid witch want to force you to use it, else they dont want to Group up with you. And this will happen.
Im using Mods like Gridview, Rare Fish Tracker and this kinde of stuff. But not willing to use FTC.
Why should i be jealous of moduser? im crushing most ppls in 1v1 and if not, he will never be able to kill me.#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
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✭elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:
Its allowed but Macros are not...
Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.
show me just one video link someone changing gear during fight...
Please re-read my OP. I have admitted to making a mistake. The change only happens outside of combat. I disagree with those who say/claim it is ok to do this. I am entitled to my opinion on why this is game breaking, for me at least.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hp6OHjc5Yw
do you know why?
because gears and skill selections does not make or break a fight.
you can change from heavy armor to light armor - and you can change from 2H sword to resto staff... everyone can do it. some add-on makes it faster, but everyone can use the same add-on.
what's possibly GAME-BREAKING are,
1. changing your trait (health vs magika vs stamina) or your champion points or skill points and morphs - ON THE FLY. changing these should always COSTS and OUT of combat.
2. changing ANYTHING DURING combat.
Fortunately, neither those 2 are possible.
there are no problems.
if you see someone with a robe and destro staff walking and suddenly it swaps to medium armors with 2H sword, then you can either (or both)
1. Learn2Play. Either come up with a better more flexible build, or stick to the zerg, or pick only solo fights, whatever.
2. download the same add-on.
But of course, these are just my opinions.
wrong.coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
FTC 0.65 by default has an opt-out option.
by default, it's enabled.
Atropos mentioned this in this forum and in TF forum *AND* i actually use it without changing ANYTHING and when grouped in cyrodiil last night or doing pledges last couple nights, I can sometimes see others DPS who has the add-on (alongside my own)
and when i mentioned this to them they'd be like "WHA?? howd u see that??"
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✭elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:
Its allowed but Macros are not...
Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.
show me just one video link someone changing gear during fight...
Please re-read my OP. I have admitted to making a mistake. The change only happens outside of combat. I disagree with those who say/claim it is ok to do this. I am entitled to my opinion on why this is game breaking, for me at least.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hp6OHjc5Yw
do you know why?
because gears and skill selections does not make or break a fight.
you can change from heavy armor to light armor - and you can change from 2H sword to resto staff... everyone can do it. some add-on makes it faster, but everyone can use the same add-on.
what's possibly GAME-BREAKING are,
1. changing your trait (health vs magika vs stamina) or your champion points or skill points and morphs - ON THE FLY. changing these should always COSTS and OUT of combat.
2. changing ANYTHING DURING combat.
Fortunately, neither those 2 are possible.
there are no problems.
if you see someone with a robe and destro staff walking and suddenly it swaps to medium armors with 2H sword, then you can either (or both)
1. Learn2Play. Either come up with a better more flexible build, or stick to the zerg, or pick only solo fights, whatever.
2. download the same add-on.
But of course, these are just my opinions.
wrong.coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
FTC 0.65 by default has an opt-out option.
by default, it's enabled.
Atropos mentioned this in this forum and in TF forum *AND* i actually use it without changing ANYTHING and when grouped in cyrodiil last night or doing pledges last couple nights, I can sometimes see others DPS who has the add-on (alongside my own)
and when i mentioned this to them they'd be like "WHA?? howd u see that??"
Where was I wrong? I said only if it was turned on. LOL you said I was wrong because it's enabled by default? I think the word wrong doesn't mean what you think it means.0 -
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✭elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:
Its allowed but Macros are not...
Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.
IMO any Addon that allows you to perform multiple tasks with 1 click should be considered a macro and not allowed. The only exception to which would be the Skills Addon. Where you can change out all 5 skills at once. You should NEVER be able to change out all weapons and gear with 1 click of a button. That's a macro disguised as an Addon.
The Addons I use are Destinations, Lorebooks, Skyshards, Master merchant because lets face it, the vanilla guild store is just horrible and skill swap. I also use some for crafting that have no impact on PVE or PVP fighting.
@ZOS should have just made the game a lot better and that would have eliminated the need for Addons. To have to use an Addon to see what item you sold in the guild store is a FAIL for ZOS. To have to use an Addon to search for an item by name in the Guild Store is a FAIL for ZOS. To have to use Addons to show damage and healing logs is a FAIL for ZOS.NA Server - Kildair1 -
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✭elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:
Its allowed but Macros are not...
Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.
show me just one video link someone changing gear during fight...
Please re-read my OP. I have admitted to making a mistake. The change only happens outside of combat. I disagree with those who say/claim it is ok to do this. I am entitled to my opinion on why this is game breaking, for me at least.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hp6OHjc5Yw
do you know why?
because gears and skill selections does not make or break a fight.
you can change from heavy armor to light armor - and you can change from 2H sword to resto staff... everyone can do it. some add-on makes it faster, but everyone can use the same add-on.
what's possibly GAME-BREAKING are,
1. changing your trait (health vs magika vs stamina) or your champion points or skill points and morphs - ON THE FLY. changing these should always COSTS and OUT of combat.
2. changing ANYTHING DURING combat.
Fortunately, neither those 2 are possible.
there are no problems.
if you see someone with a robe and destro staff walking and suddenly it swaps to medium armors with 2H sword, then you can either (or both)
1. Learn2Play. Either come up with a better more flexible build, or stick to the zerg, or pick only solo fights, whatever.
2. download the same add-on.
But of course, these are just my opinions.
wrong.coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »agreed with op..some of addons are good like AUI with minimap but some other like FTC with its dps meter..it will promote elitism and generally these kind of stuff are wow clone stuff...it is time for zinemax to add stuff like mini map and improve quality of life improvement and remove addons all together..no 3rd party sofware should be allowed in an mmo..every body must play equally..NOW do no forget these are honest game play addons..we have other addons or hacks when game coding allows for 3rd party softwares.
FTCs dps meter ONLY shows your own DPS. The only way to see someone elses is if they ALSO have FTC and have the option turned on. All you folks claiming this garbage about addons giving unfair advantages, ruining games, etc are 1 of 2 things.
FTC 0.65 by default has an opt-out option.
by default, it's enabled.
Atropos mentioned this in this forum and in TF forum *AND* i actually use it without changing ANYTHING and when grouped in cyrodiil last night or doing pledges last couple nights, I can sometimes see others DPS who has the add-on (alongside my own)
and when i mentioned this to them they'd be like "WHA?? howd u see that??"
Did someone actually tryed to reglyph the gear in fight? dont know if ist possible in fight or not.
Edited by BuggeX on June 12, 2015 2:24PM#makemagickadkgreataigan
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