xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

No one should be running around with more than 1 full group IMO. If your single group cant beat another single group in an even fight then something else needs to change for you. That's like if Golden State played 10 men at the same time in the next game against the Cavs just because they are tired of LeBron stomping them out.

I request that you take 1 full group, and try your luck against the pop lock on Azuras. Please record this, as I wish to see it afterwards. I guarantee you'll be frustrated.

NPK Daniel wrote: »

If we all stay together, when it's typically 50 vs 100, we have maybe a 25% chance of winning. If we split up, it's more like .1%.

It's just the truth bro, you gotta live it to understand it.

Where the heck are you fighting bro? I rarely see a zerg of 100 players. I have seen your zerg and I have never seen another zerg of that size on any faction. So how many guilds are running more then 1 raid of players? I know of 2.

God_flakes wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

DC will get bolstered soon enough. Death marches on the wall. The reckoning will be swift and without mercy.

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xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

No one should be running around with more than 1 full group IMO. If your single group cant beat another single group in an even fight then something else needs to change for you. That's like if Golden State played 10 men at the same time in the next game against the Cavs just because they are tired of LeBron stomping them out.

I request that you take 1 full group, and try your luck against the pop lock on Azuras. Please record this, as I wish to see it afterwards. I guarantee you'll be frustrated.

Every PVP experience I've ever had consisted of me being alone or in one group only. If pugs show up that's a different story. I understand the frustration but I think there is nothing more frustrating than not being able to use abilities in a huge fight that would otherwise be crazy fun. I know that nobody is to blame for that but I think larger numbers don't help either.

I wish they would (eventually) add some form of PVP with equal teams fighting against each other. No siege either please!

I've seen the numbers WRX and Crown can rally. They must give out free tri pots, gems AND cookies to all who harken their rally call and yellablob wave the map on their command. But at least they don't pm you and say "hey, we only had 12".

Thats because theyre PMing that to The Lord. "Oh those other groups are here too? I had no idea!"

God_flakes wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

DC will get bolstered soon enough. Death marches on the wall. The reckoning will be swift and without mercy.

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xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

No one should be running around with more than 1 full group IMO. If your single group cant beat another single group in an even fight then something else needs to change for you. That's like if Golden State played 10 men at the same time in the next game against the Cavs just because they are tired of LeBron stomping them out.

I request that you take 1 full group, and try your luck against the pop lock on Azuras. Please record this, as I wish to see it afterwards. I guarantee you'll be frustrated.

Every PVP experience I've ever had consisted of me being alone or in one group only. If pugs show up that's a different story. I understand the frustration but I think there is nothing more frustrating than not being able to use abilities in a huge fight that would otherwise be crazy fun. I know that nobody is to blame for that but I think larger numbers don't help either.

I wish they would (eventually) add some form of PVP with equal teams fighting against each other. No siege either please!

I've seen the numbers WRX and Crown can rally. They must give out free tri pots, gems AND cookies to all who harken their rally call and yellablob wave the map on their command. But at least they don't pm you and say "hey, we only had 12".

Thats because theyre PMing that to The Lord. "Oh those other groups are here too? I had no idea!"

Or better yet.."we had no idea 5 other LARGE and aggressive AD guilds were gonna join us on Azura and roll the map into a puke yellow abyss."

They are coordinating with master precision. Oh look theres 3 bad guys lets switch maps to an empty campaign.

God_flakes wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

DC will get bolstered soon enough. Death marches on the wall. The reckoning will be swift and without mercy.

Expand on this please ...

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

No one should be running around with more than 1 full group IMO. If your single group cant beat another single group in an even fight then something else needs to change for you. That's like if Golden State played 10 men at the same time in the next game against the Cavs just because they are tired of LeBron stomping them out.

I request that you take 1 full group, and try your luck against the pop lock on Azuras. Please record this, as I wish to see it afterwards. I guarantee you'll be frustrated.

Every PVP experience I've ever had consisted of me being alone or in one group only. If pugs show up that's a different story. I understand the frustration but I think there is nothing more frustrating than not being able to use abilities in a huge fight that would otherwise be crazy fun. I know that nobody is to blame for that but I think larger numbers don't help either.

I wish they would (eventually) add some form of PVP with equal teams fighting against each other. No siege either please!

I've seen the numbers WRX and Crown can rally. They must give out free tri pots, gems AND cookies to all who harken their rally call and yellablob wave the map on their command. But at least they don't pm you and say "hey, we only had 12".

Thats because theyre PMing that to The Lord. "Oh those other groups are here too? I had no idea!"

Or better yet.."we had no idea 5 other LARGE and aggressive AD guilds were gonna join us on Azura and roll the map into a puke yellow abyss."

In all fairness this is actually very true. Neither of them knew there would be a huge infusion of AD into Azuras. I was a member of both Misfitz and Decibel at the time, and neither guild coordinated with each other nor any other AD guild to move to Azuras together. It was kept a secret to try and avoid that kind of situation and to get a bigger share of AP.

I know that there will be people who don't believe me, and that's fine. For the record though this is what happened for these two guilds specifically. I'm not even in Misfitz anymore as I'm branching out into DC.

NPK Daniel wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

If we all stay together, when it's typically 50 vs 100, we have maybe a 25% chance of winning. If we split up, it's more like .1%.

It's just the truth bro, you gotta live it to understand it.

Where the heck are you fighting bro? I rarely see a zerg of 100 players. I have seen your zerg and I have never seen another zerg of that size on any faction. So how many guilds are running more then 1 raid of players? I know of 2.

Azura Star: The home of 1 million banana. We have a video from last night of them running in the ash gate....for 7 minutes straight. We lost count at like 90.

That would be a funny video to see because I see the same things from them the minute red flags an emp keep. It is entertaining to see population go from 2 bar to pop lock w/in 10 minutes

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

If we all stay together, when it's typically 50 vs 100, we have maybe a 25% chance of winning. If we split up, it's more like .1%.

It's just the truth bro, you gotta live it to understand it.

Where the heck are you fighting bro? I rarely see a zerg of 100 players. I have seen your zerg and I have never seen another zerg of that size on any faction. So how many guilds are running more then 1 raid of players? I know of 2.

Azura Star: The home of 1 million banana. We have a video from last night of them running in the ash gate....for 7 minutes straight. We lost count at like 90.

That would be a funny video to see because I see the same things from them the minute red flags an emp keep. It is entertaining to see population go from 2 bar to pop lock w/in 10 minutes

It's incredibly frustrating trying to preach patience to the people who do this. They don't care for PvP health they just want to keep their buffs and keep the map yellow at any/all costs...

Takllin wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

DC will get bolstered soon enough. Death marches on the wall. The reckoning will be swift and without mercy.

Expand on this please ...

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

No one should be running around with more than 1 full group IMO. If your single group cant beat another single group in an even fight then something else needs to change for you. That's like if Golden State played 10 men at the same time in the next game against the Cavs just because they are tired of LeBron stomping them out.

I request that you take 1 full group, and try your luck against the pop lock on Azuras. Please record this, as I wish to see it afterwards. I guarantee you'll be frustrated.

Every PVP experience I've ever had consisted of me being alone or in one group only. If pugs show up that's a different story. I understand the frustration but I think there is nothing more frustrating than not being able to use abilities in a huge fight that would otherwise be crazy fun. I know that nobody is to blame for that but I think larger numbers don't help either.

I wish they would (eventually) add some form of PVP with equal teams fighting against each other. No siege either please!

I've seen the numbers WRX and Crown can rally. They must give out free tri pots, gems AND cookies to all who harken their rally call and yellablob wave the map on their command. But at least they don't pm you and say "hey, we only had 12".

Thats because theyre PMing that to The Lord. "Oh those other groups are here too? I had no idea!"

Or better yet.."we had no idea 5 other LARGE and aggressive AD guilds were gonna join us on Azura and roll the map into a puke yellow abyss."

In all fairness this is actually very true. Neither of them knew there would be a huge infusion of AD into Azuras. I was a member of both Misfitz and Decibel at the time, and neither guild coordinated with each other nor any other AD guild to move to Azuras together. It was kept a secret to try and avoid that kind of situation and to get a bigger share of AP.

I know that there will be people who don't believe me, and that's fine. For the record though this is what happened for these two guilds specifically. I'm not even in Misfitz anymore as I'm branching out into DC.

I think the major issue isn't that it happened (though some harp on it), but that when the issue was brought to the attention of the guilds in question and it was asked that it be corrected they all balked at it. The guilds can't say they didn't know what the outcome would be if all of them stayed -- they were told, repeatedly, in game and on the forums.

First DC vanished from Azura's then it became solely an ADvsEP fight with EP having the fewer guilds dedicated to the server (we'd split our guilds up like had been asked for so long), and we didn't have the 'round the clock coverage that AD could offer. Eventually EP got sick of it, too.

If a couple of those guilds had been proactive and moved back to Thornblade or Chillrend (whose AD population vanished nearly completely), it would have been a much more enjoyable cycle for everyone on Azura's.

Instead it became Ring Around The Campaign. Ugh.

I completely agree with you, but the assessment that this was a coordinated attack by AD to ruin Azuras and run DC off the server just isn't true, and it's been talked about quite often.

No one wanted to leave because everyone felt they had their own right to be there, and no one saw that they had a more legitimate reason to leave over any of the other guilds. It depends on how you play really. Personally I can't blame the guilds who had people as Emperors, and I felt that the guilds who came just to farm AP should have gone elsewhere.

Though what none of us took into consideration was the guilds who cared only for the PvE buffs and because winning to them means owning every single thing on the map...When you take that population into account it exacerbated the issue. Should we have taken the high road and abandoned the campaign even though we had emperors? In hindsight, yeah I guess. It just feels ridiculous to leave a campaign where we did the work and for everyone else to reap the benefits of.

It does and is ridiculous. People shouldn't HAVE to move because ZOS can't balance pops on their own, but at this stage we have to assume ZOS isn't going to do anything.

Doing the right thing sucks sometimes, though.

To share something about Azura's, and I consider it a mistake I made in the past while Hijinx was still active. Decibel and others had been making noises about trying to make it a second server (Thorn was the only active one at the time). It had, unfortunately, been yellow for a time and so I decided to coordinate with IR and Crystalized to flip the server to red to catch up the point total in the hopes that there would be action during the evening and hopefully the map would stablize out to three sides over the next week after.

So we crashed the map, with Hijinx taking the northern ring and IR taking the southern half. Decibel showed up -- we had some great fights, too. Won some, lost some. Eventually one guild vs two ended the way numbers games usually do and we dethroned and then cleaned up the map (leaving Glade/Rayles/Warden to entice DC to show up).

We fought a few attempts off over the next couple days and then word got out that EP had a buff server (hadn't had one at that point as Haderus was AD, Chillrend was DC and that was all the servers until Azura's was launched). Then the lemmings came. The map got fully flipped every night and I made the decision to keep Hijinx off in hopes they zerglings would fail.

Too late, damage done, and AS was a buff server for a long time after that.

In retrospect, that first night when I realized how we were able to so completely outmaneuver WRX and Co. due to having the two guilds on the map (plus some pugs), I should have withdrawn or asked Crys to head out. That could have kept it an even fight. Yeah, due to AD's lead on the scoreboard, EP would never have won that cycle -- but who cares?

Instead, the idea of New Dawnbreaker never happened and I screwed it up.

I really wish, this time around, people could have walked away earlier to prevent the death of Azura's.

Worst part is, I think it's a leading factor in DC's imminent collapse. It was the server they were doing best on and it got wrecked.

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Let me help you:

at least 50 vs 50 vs 50.....and guess what? NO LAG?!?!??

The servers CAN HANDLE numbers close to (or more than) 6 raids fighting in the same location. They cannot handle us doing that PLUS 5-6 other guilds from each faction fighting in other locations on the map.

Are you a banana? You have to be a banana. Only banana think like banana. So banana. I bet you shop at banana republic? Banana.

We wiped most of the red team running with that scroll, and then we see banana, so we kill banana. Cuz we donlik banana. Banana!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vWm47yPLGc

NPK Daniel wrote: »

We had more people in our TS last night then we've had in a month or two. We peaked at ~70 people. We removed our inactive (21 days) members around 4 days ago, it created 50 spots, which have all been filled again.

NPK lives. DC lives.

There is no imminent collapse. Not on my watch.

And thanks for the invite to NPK Daniel about 4 days ago, was thrown in the guild and it has been great the best time I have had since launch. Not only Daniel but there are so many great people that are helping with groups and just good laughs during the wins and deaths.