Why console players got a better game than PC players...

elitekaosb16_ESO · June 2015

This is just my opinion. You are free to agree or not but I would ask that if you feel the need to rant after reading this - Go for a walk first so you don't look to stupid when replying

For the record I am a PC player - I would never allow a console into my house, they are the spawn of Satan IMO.

1. Graphics - Lets ignore this as it is quite clear the PC version has better graphics.
2. Chat - Yup, PC wins there too. Text chat in game and of course Teamspeak (Other VOIP software exists).
3. Addons - This is where it all changes. Zenima's choice to allow add-ons is breaking the game and turning it into something which it was designed not to be.

How many times have you been PvP'ing an opponent only to suddenly see their armour and weapons change plus the attacks they use change... Kind of ruins any plan you had on beating this bloke...

** EDIT: I made a mistake, this can only be done outside of combat but it is being used right before combat and right after. Going to fight? Put opn heavy hitting stuff - Finished fighting? Put on healing gear and staff, heal up ready for the next victim.

So lets break this down. The game is built to allow us to change weapons and the skills associated with them, seems like the devs made a choice to limit this to a sensible two weapon/ability sets, great! So why is an add-on allowed that changes this to allow full armour sets to be changed - multiple sets of weapons, armours and skill bars at the click of a button - Not what the game was meant to be, not what we are taught in the tutorial but still it's allowed.

You now have no choice but to play in the same way or your screwed. This is just one add-on, their are others which, for me at least, break the game. Console players can't have add-ons so they win. They get the game the way the devs intended it to be while on the PC we are left with a lot *of add-ons which are actually more like mods, math lovers who just want a screen full of numbers or it's not an MMO and elitist guilds that resent B2P/Returning players while insisting you min/max stats or your just wasting your life.

So if like me you were sold on the game's mechanics being similar to other Elder Scrolls games the game is now nothing more than any other half hearted Korean MMO.

Well done console players, for once you got the better game.

*[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2015

Have you reported this to ZOS? Because what you describe sounds a lot like a add-on that is probably breaking some rules there.

smokes · June 2015

if an addon is truly gamebreaking, it can be banned. devs can also do things like ensure game code doesn't allow for those types of armor+weapon swaps whilst in combat.

if it's a serious issue, or potentially gamebreaking issue, report it.

Syntse · June 2015

As far as I know the API doesn't allow changing gears and skills during combat. Outside combat it is possible and I see no issue there as it could be done outside combat manually too.

elitekaosb16_ESO · June 2015

As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:

Its allowed but Macros are not...

Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.

Vegaroth · June 2015

honestly i could not play without my addons, the vanilla UI is really lack of information.

daemonios · June 2015

Syntse wrote: »

As far as I know the API doesn't allow changing gears and skills during combat. Outside combat it is possible and I see no issue there as it could be done outside combat manually too.

This. If you're letting your enemy go out of combat, which takes quite a few seconds, you shouldn't be complaining that he changed his gear or skills.

I don't know of a single game-breaking add-on. There are many I don't use because they spoil the fun *FOR ME* (e.g. Skyshards), but they certainly don't BREAK the game.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · June 2015

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

How many times have you been PvP'ing an opponent only to suddenly see their armour and weapons change plus the attacks they use change... Kind of ruins any plan you had on beating this bloke...

So lets break this down. The game is built to allow us to change weapons and the skills associated with them, seems like the devs made a choice to limit this to a sensible two weapon/ability sets, great! So why is an add-on allowed that changes this to allow full armour sets to be changed - multiple sets of weapons, armours and skill bars at the click of a button - Not what the game was meant to be, not what we are taught in the tutorial but still it's allowed.

You now have no choice but to play in the same way or your screwed. This is just one add-on, their are others which, for me at least, break the game. Console players can't have add-ons so they win. They get the game the way the devs intended it to be while on the PC we are left with a Cluster F**** of add-ons which are actually more like mods, math lovers who just want a screen full of numbers or it's not an MMO and elitist guilds that resent B2P/Returning players while insisting you min/max stats or your just wasting your life.

So if like me you were sold on the game's mechanics being similar to other Elder Scrolls games the game is now nothing more than any other half hearted Korean MMO.

Well done console players, for once you got the better game.

never, because what u say is not possible, if your fighting someone, he cant change his gear and skills in fight, while hes in combat, thats NOT POSSIBLE
what is possible is if he gets far away from you so he gets out of combat (wich isnt easy in this game since in pvp your most of the time in combat even when your not) then he can change his skills and gear with a simple click yes, if he has saved those set ups before, but by this time he is so far away you can do the same even without the addon
this addon is to make it easyer for the players with the lacking game ui of Zos, want to change from your dungeon build to your pvp build without wasting half an hour, simple, load other gear, load other skills and done, instead of searching in that clusterf*ck of what Zos calls an inventory, and then manually having to reslot every skill

get ur facts right before u come spewing nonsence

Survivor_Chris · June 2015

As someone who has the console version (No longer have my gaming PC) I felt a little lost without having the option for addons - However the post you wrote really opened my eyes to 'Addons gone bad'.. never thought about things like this before!

elitekaosb16_ESO · June 2015

Syntse wrote: »

As far as I know the API doesn't allow changing gears and skills during combat. Outside combat it is possible and I see no issue there as it could be done outside combat manually too.

Show me a player changing their armour right before the fight starts... He must be able to do it in the blink of an eye to compete with this mod - they do not stand a chance...

I see you, your in light armour with two swords, I begin to formulate how I intend to whoop your butt (If I can)... Then just as I start to run towards you you change into Full plate with a sword and board... Suddenly my plan on whooping you just broke, right as you land the first blow.

This is a game breaker.

Kaide · June 2015

I can play while laying in a couch/bed....while you sit up straight in a proper position slapping away at your keyboard.

I will never be able to explain this to hardcore PC players...but I just love the feel of using a controller in games. Sure...using a keyboard and mouse has way more control...but something about using a controller just makes it into a more enjoyable experience for me...even with a "slight" decrease in graphics. I say slight because I played the PC version since BETA on a $3k self built computer...and the PS4 version while lacking in some areas...is still very good quality.

Rosveen · June 2015

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

How many times have you been PvP'ing an opponent only to suddenly see their armour and weapons change plus the attacks they use change... Kind of ruins any plan you had on beating this bloke...

Never. Not once. Changing gear and skills in combat is impossible, no addon can do it, they can only allow you to quickly swap outside combat - which everyone can do, it just takes more clicks without addons.

Your entire argument is based on misinformation. Unless there's some bug I'm not aware of, but from what you're describing (YT videos, forum posts) it looks like a regular out of combat swap.

ZigoSid · June 2015

The only things that are really better on consoles are to be able to fully control your speed : walk slow or fast, run slow or at top speed.

Everyone equal without add-ons.

And the responsiveness, weapon swap finally works fine ...

elitekaosb16_ESO · June 2015

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

never, because what u say is not possible, if your fighting someone, he cant change his gear and skills in fight, while hes in combat, thats NOT POSSIBLE
what is possible is if he gets far away from you so he gets out of combat (wich isnt easy in this game since in pvp your most of the time in combat even when your not) then he can change his skills and gear with a simple click yes, if he has saved those set ups before, but by this time he is so far away you can do the same even without the addon
this addon is to make it easyer for the players with the lacking game ui of Zos, want to change from your dungeon build to your pvp build without wasting half an hour, simple, load other gear, load other skills and done, instead of searching in that clusterf*ck of what Zos calls an inventory, and then manually having to reslot every skill

get ur facts right before u come spewing nonsence

For a start, if you want to get personal, send a PM - till then try to understand that this is being used before combat even begins. It is nothing more than a mod. No player can change their gear, armour and loadout in the time it takes for this mod to be used - it adds a clear advantage to those using it.

To suggest that it is never used in bad way shows a lack of knowledge on what is being done, try watching some videos, I've even seen players showing how to use it to get read right before attacking...

So yes it is game breaking, maybe your one of those that use it and so I would expect you to defend its use. Carry on doing so, all your doing is fooling yourself.

Yes players will use it to change kits before dungeons, that's great, if they are lazy but it should not be allowed in the PVP area as it is just being used as an exploit.

Enodoc · June 2015

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

How many times have you been PvP'ing an opponent only to suddenly see their armour and weapons change plus the attacks they use change... Kind of ruins any plan you had on beating this bloke...

So lets break this down. The game is built to allow us to change weapons and the skills associated with them, seems like the devs made a choice to limit this to a sensible two weapon/ability sets, great! So why is an add-on allowed that changes this to allow full armour sets to be changed - multiple sets of weapons, armours and skill bars at the click of a button - Not what the game was meant to be, not what we are taught in the tutorial but still it's allowed.

Gear-swapping in combat isn't supposed to be possible with add-ons, due to the API functions simply not allowing it... I wonder what happened there.

Ojustaboo · June 2015

If the PC version wasn't intended to play with addons, we would never have had the ability to use them.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2015

Survivor_Chris wrote: »

As someone who has the console version (No longer have my gaming PC) I felt a little lost without having the option for addons - However the post you wrote really opened my eyes to 'Addons gone bad'.. never thought about things like this before!

Because it doesn't exist. Oh, and the PC game is hands down better.

daemonios · June 2015

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

They get the game the way the devs intended it to be while on the PC we are left with a Cluster F**** of add-ons which are actually more like mods, math lovers who just want a screen full of numbers or it's not an MMO and elitist guilds that resent B2P/Returning players while insisting you min/max stats or your just wasting your life.

You come across as extremely rude and entitled. Just because something is what the devs intended doesn't make it good, and certainly doesn't make it good for everyone. You may disagree but I can't understand why you judge people who don't share your opinion. You don't own some sort of objective truth.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't touch the console version with a 10-foot pole, in large party because of the lack of add-ons. I don't want to manage 170 bag and 240 bank slots with only 6 categories. I don't want to be unable to do a freaking text search in a guild store. I don't want to rely on weak visual cues that are hard to see in the heat of battle and laggy sound cues that I often can't hear over other game sounds to know if my buffs ran out our my special ability procced. I don't want to have to go to a crafting station to know which recipes, traits or styles I've already got, or when a research is finished. I don't want to have to memorise several sets of 10 skills and 2 ultimates so that I can change my bars to fit the role or situation I'm in. Tens of thousands of people seem to agree, judging by the download numbers of some popular add-ons.

Many basic functionalities could be added as options so that people who don't want or like them could just ignore them. I don't understand why it should hurt you that I can play how I like.

ZOS_MaryB · June 2015

Hi, everyone. We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track. Thank you!

MornaBaine · June 2015

I don't like add-ons but I use them because the UI is so freaking limited and lame. I don't PvP much and don't have the add-on mentioned here but I've considered getting it just because it IS a pain to swap out armor sets piece by piece. And as I'm one of those weirdo roleplayers I have lots of "play clothes" as well. It'd be nice to be able to set those up and be able to just pop them on and then with a single click be back in my adventuring gear. But I can easily see how this add-on can be abused in PvP even if it DOES only work out of combat because there are lots of ways to GET out of combat, even if only very briefly. Now if every single player in Cyrodiil used it, it wouldn't be a big deal. But those that do have a clear advantage over those that don't and add-ons should NEVER be NECESSARY in order to be competitive.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2015

Kaide wrote: »

I can play while laying in a couch/bed....while you sit up straight in a proper position slapping away at your keyboard.

I will never be able to explain this to hardcore PC players...but I just love the feel of using a controller in games. Sure...using a keyboard and mouse has way more control...but something about using a controller just makes it into a more enjoyable experience for me...even with a "slight" decrease in graphics. I say slight because I played the PC version since BETA on a $3k self built computer...and the PS4 version while lacking in some areas...is still very good quality.

I sit in my $2k recliner with my remote keyboard on my lap, 17 button remote mouse, in front of a 60" Samsung looking at MUCH better graphics than you. I can also play while laying in bed, done it. You are sooooooo short sighted.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2015

Kaide wrote: »

I can play while laying in a couch/bed....while you sit up straight in a proper position slapping away at your keyboard.

I will never be able to explain this to hardcore PC players...but I just love the feel of using a controller in games. Sure...using a keyboard and mouse has way more control...but something about using a controller just makes it into a more enjoyable experience for me...even with a "slight" decrease in graphics. I say slight because I played the PC version since BETA on a $3k self built computer...and the PS4 version while lacking in some areas...is still very good quality.

LOL and you are for sure lying about your self built computer. The first sentence tells me that.

Tankqull · June 2015

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:

Its allowed but Macros are not...

Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.

show me just one video link someone changing gear during fight...

bertenburnyb16_ESO · June 2015

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

never, because what u say is not possible, if your fighting someone, he cant change his gear and skills in fight, while hes in combat, thats NOT POSSIBLE
what is possible is if he gets far away from you so he gets out of combat (wich isnt easy in this game since in pvp your most of the time in combat even when your not) then he can change his skills and gear with a simple click yes, if he has saved those set ups before, but by this time he is so far away you can do the same even without the addon
this addon is to make it easyer for the players with the lacking game ui of Zos, want to change from your dungeon build to your pvp build without wasting half an hour, simple, load other gear, load other skills and done, instead of searching in that clusterf*ck of what Zos calls an inventory, and then manually having to reslot every skill

get ur facts right before u come spewing nonsence

For a start, if you want to get personal, send a PM - till then try to understand that this is being used before combat even begins. It is nothing more than a mod. No player can change their gear, armour and loadout in the time it takes for this mod to be used - it adds a clear advantage to those using it.

To suggest that it is never used in bad way shows a lack of knowledge on what is being done, try watching some videos, I've even seen players showing how to use it to get read right before attacking...

So yes it is game breaking, maybe your one of those that use it and so I would expect you to defend its use. Carry on doing so, all your doing is fooling yourself.

Yes players will use it to change kits before dungeons, that's great, if they are lazy but it should not be allowed in the PVP area as it is just being used as an exploit.

there is nothing wrong with an add on swapping your gear out of combat, and people swapping their gear with an add on in between the time they spot an enemy and engage said enemy, maybe one in a million, plus, seeing an enemy doenst give u any information what build hes running, skills and gear setup, so even theorectically its possible to swap in said short time, its not even usefull...
nothing what your complaining about makes sense

Genomic · June 2015

ESO is the only MMO I've used addons in. I know most other MMOs support addons, but in the others I've never felt the need to use them, as the functionality and information provided by the UI was sufficient. So it's not just a case of using addons to make the game better (or I would have used them in the other MMOs) but a case of where the UI in ESO it's severely lacking.

elitekaosb16_ESO · June 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:

Its allowed but Macros are not...

Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.

show me just one video link someone changing gear during fight...

Please re-read my OP. I have admitted to making a mistake. The change only happens outside of combat. I disagree with those who say/claim it is ok to do this. I am entitled to my opinion on why this is game breaking, for me at least.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hp6OHjc5Yw

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2015

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

As there are a huge number of video's on youtube that some of the big tubers make showing this, its been talked about on the forums, its been reported... But guess what:

Its allowed but Macros are not...

Zenimax, if you were a bank you would no doubt leave the safe open and ask customers not to steal while your out to lunch.

show me just one video link someone changing gear during fight...

Please re-read my OP. I have admitted to making a mistake. The change only happens outside of combat. I disagree with those who say/claim it is ok to do this. I am entitled to my opinion on why this is game breaking, for me at least.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hp6OHjc5Yw

It's not game breaking. At all. You can't say "it's game breaking for me". Use a different word. You don't seem to understand what game breaking means.

And you're whole point is this..."If I can't be sure other people are playing the way I want them too, I'll play somewhere else."

eliisra · June 2015

Been said already I guess, you cant change gear and skills while fighting someone, not even cosmetics like tabards or disguises. Cant even place a purchased ballista on your quick slot bar when in combat.

If someone is able to do these things, which I doubt, it's not related to addons. They're using some kind of exploit or cheat.

Besides, not sure I'm seeing any massive advantages to changing gear in combat. Set bonuses in this game are all pretty minor. If I have 8% more healing, 8% cost reduction, higher dodge, extra mundus or more block mitigation, it's not going to change the outcome of the battle that much.

Changing skills every 1-3 second hitting a keybind, that would be pretty game breaking tho. Like having infinite amount of skill slots, ready to counter any build in the game, while your opponent only gets 10 skill slots. But I never seen it, never encountered it, dont believable it.

AzraelKrieg · June 2015

Had to be a Deltia vid. A lot of people use dedicated PvP set ups that are different from their PvE set ups. If you don't like it that's your issue, not theirs and certainly not the issue of ZOS. If you see someone in PvP, why not attack them so they are put into combat? If they're already coming towards you you're already step behind. And chances are they are in a group so when one member of the group goes into combat, everyone does. You can disagree all you want, there is nothing wrong with this system, it isn't game breaking because it does nothing to really give someone an advantage. They could do this and still suck at PvP. Changing gear doesn't account for player skill and sheer luck. And it's not like the people using this addon are creating macros to pop off multiple skills and attacks in succession. If ZOS didn't approve of this addon and what it provides, they would have told the creator of it to stop development when they noticed it.

Now if you want something really annoying in PvP, people who use costumes to disguise their armour. Someone clad in heavy armour can easily hide it using the light armour styled costumes from the Tribal Shamans pack to make seem like they are weaker than they are.

Survivor_Chris · June 2015

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Survivor_Chris wrote: »

As someone who has the console version (No longer have my gaming PC) I felt a little lost without having the option for addons - However the post you wrote really opened my eyes to 'Addons gone bad'.. never thought about things like this before!

Because it doesn't exist. Oh, and the PC game is hands down better.

why is it hands down better?

bertenburnyb16_ESO · June 2015

Survivor_Chris wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Survivor_Chris wrote: »

As someone who has the console version (No longer have my gaming PC) I felt a little lost without having the option for addons - However the post you wrote really opened my eyes to 'Addons gone bad'.. never thought about things like this before!

Because it doesn't exist. Oh, and the PC game is hands down better.

why is it hands down better?

add ons, oeh and we have chat