Updated for TG Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc.

blabafat · May 2015

Zhoyzu wrote: »

O SNAP

just last night i was like, man i wanna do something with my templar but i dont really know where to start.

and then you post this!

Thanks @blabafat

Sure man! Glad I could be of assistance

blabafat · May 2015

Added info on jewelry enchants

TheSunAlsoRises · June 2015

do you have any footage of 1v1 or small groups (3v3 or less) fights?

blabafat · June 2015

TheSunAlsoRises wrote: »

do you have any footage of 1v1 or small groups (3v3 or less) fights?

I'm going to upload a Templar dueling video soon, and my youtube channel consists of 1vX/Group vs X pvp.
"blabafat eso" is my channel.

blabafat · June 2015

Changed the Title, and added some info on Valkyn Skoria under Undaunted Sets.

Vilestride · June 2015

Great post man, easily one of the best temps in the game, your advice will be appreciated by many and I00% agree with everything, even changed my morph of blazing spear after reading this.

If I may add, though it is still preference, I would 100% ALWAYS recommend magicka users who are using seducer use Magnus instead for a few reasons. Foremost, if you are using spell reduction enchanted jewelry (which most do and should) you aren't getting their optimal value, well, more so you're making your 8% reduced cost a smaller value because it calculates flat values first. Whereas Magnus is not a reduced cost, its a chance at negating all cost, meaning it doesn't impede on your jewelry, or your jewelry doesn't impede on it rather. 2nd, it may just be luck, but from extensive testing I have found Magnus to proc more like 1 in 7 casts, rather than the 8% that is just short of 1 in 10 casts.
also the damage from 4 piece is nice but that's preference.

Cinbri · June 2015

Don't see a single reason why Bloodspawn superior to Malubeth, but anyway.
You forgot to add that Blazing Shield also procs Valkyn meteors. Sadly, after Valkyn nerf it is become unefective, just like set itself.

rendolpheb16_ESO · June 2015

Templar is so OP in PvP atm that I rolled a Sorc for more challenge.

pkb16_ESO2 · June 2015

rendolpheb16_ESO wrote: »

Templar is so OP in PvP atm that I rolled a Sorc for more challenge.

and i rerolled a NB its just boring as Demi-God/Jesus Beam Templar.

blabafat · June 2015

rendolpheb16_ESO wrote: »

Templar is so OP in PvP atm that I rolled a Sorc for more challenge.

LOLOL

blabafat · June 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

Don't see a single reason why Bloodspawn superior to Malubeth, but anyway.
You forgot to add that Blazing Shield also procs Valkyn meteors. Sadly, after Valkyn nerf it is become unefective, just like set itself.

Unfortunately for a Templar, Bloodspawn isn't TOO useful, at least imo. I wish it was as good as it is on a DK on a Templar.

Cinbri · June 2015

blabafat wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Don't see a single reason why Bloodspawn superior to Malubeth, but anyway.
You forgot to add that Blazing Shield also procs Valkyn meteors. Sadly, after Valkyn nerf it is become unefective, just like set itself.

Unfortunately for a Templar, Bloodspawn isn't TOO useful, at least imo. I wish it was as good as it is on a DK on a Templar.

I a little bit confused by this.

blabafat · June 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Don't see a single reason why Bloodspawn superior to Malubeth, but anyway.
You forgot to add that Blazing Shield also procs Valkyn meteors. Sadly, after Valkyn nerf it is become unefective, just like set itself.

Unfortunately for a Templar, Bloodspawn isn't TOO useful, at least imo. I wish it was as good as it is on a DK on a Templar.

I a little bit confused by this.

So on a DK Bloodspawn is REALLY good. On a Templar, not as good. I wish bloodspawn was as good on a Templar.

Cinbri · June 2015

blabafat wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Don't see a single reason why Bloodspawn superior to Malubeth, but anyway.
You forgot to add that Blazing Shield also procs Valkyn meteors. Sadly, after Valkyn nerf it is become unefective, just like set itself.

Unfortunately for a Templar, Bloodspawn isn't TOO useful, at least imo. I wish it was as good as it is on a DK on a Templar.

I a little bit confused by this.

So on a DK Bloodspawn is REALLY good. On a Templar, not as good. I wish bloodspawn was as good on a Templar.

Ah i got it. You meant bloodspawn should be on templar as good as on dk, but for dk is it more effective.

Tonturri · June 2015

Just wanted to point this out.

Ultimate: Rite of Passage - This ultimate isn't the best for PvP. I recommend it for PvE mostly. One of the morphs can come in handy, however, I would take Nova over it any day.
First Morph: Remembrancr- I prefer this morph because the 20% damage mitigation really makes your heals more useful. It's like a mini nova. The 20% damage mitigation is useful when you are taking a lot of damage. You pop it, you take less damage and get tons of heals. For PvP, this is the morph to choose.

You have a passive that gives you...somewhere around 12,500 armor and spell res while Rite of Passage (or whatever morph you use) is channeling. You're also immune to CC for 4 seconds. If you plop down your Purifying Ritual and then use Remembrance, I think it would be quite a good tanky ability. In short, I think you're downplaying its usefulness a little bit. I can't speak from experience (unfortunately

Dargnab VR rank grind) but, just looking at the raw numbers...

120 Ult cost vs Nova 240. So, you can use two Rites or one Nova. Nova deals more damage, but can be rolled out of, and the damage reduction (according to the tooltip) only applies to an enemy if they're in the Nova, whereas Rites damage reduction always applies. Nova also gives 7% more damage reduction., but doesn't heal. Duration wise, assuming two Rites and one Nova, Nova lasts 1.6 seconds longer.
23% damage reduction for 4
CC immunity for 4 sec
12,500 armor. I think it stacks with your Channeled Focus/Rune Focus armor buff as well.. having...a little trouble checking because apparently going into my character sheet while channeling an ability cancels it O.o *fumes* But that would put my templar - who is currently wearing 7 light - at almost 24000 spell res, 19500 armor. Note the VR rank, as well as I intend to run 2 pieces of heavy once I hit VR14, so the numbers would be higher. Anyway >.>

My VR2 templar would regen - 4k magicka, 1100 ish stamina during the duration. Regen 4400 magicka with Channeled Focus.

The healing - 3600 vs BoL 4500. Basically 4 mini BoLs that heal four allies instead of 3.
________

On vampire's bane - currently my tooltip shows 4k damage DoT, 1804 damage off the bat. Don't forget it gives you 10% more crit, procs your passive class-based ultimate gain, and gives you a 5% spell damage buff (if you haven't cast anything else from that tree yet). Furthermore, the DoT it gives will tick at least one time, even if you spam it. Mine does 642 ticks, 1k crits, bringing 1804 up to 2446 in comparison to Force Pulse 2694. The DoT lasts for 8 seconds, and 5804 damage total is pretty good if you're able to cast it, then perhaps for some reason have to go on the defensive and your recasts don't refresh the DoT.

On the slow travel time - I've found that the ability sometimes has a delay in actually going off. It's...a pain in the butt sometimes, but also quite amusing when the projectile decides to fire off right when I fire off a heavy attack + toppling charge. Edit: Oh, it slows for 40% as well, which is nice.

Just a disclaimer, I'm not VR14 yet, plus my Vampire's Bane ability isn't at max rank like my force pulse is. Thus, the damage difference between them is slightly smaller. Furthermore, I 1) Haven't put correct enchants on my jewelry, and 2) Probably have too much regen. Using the Atronach Mundus. I also intend to be something of a tankier caster in PvP than I think is normal.

blabafat · June 2015

Tonturri wrote: »

Just wanted to point this out.

Ultimate: Rite of Passage - This ultimate isn't the best for PvP. I recommend it for PvE mostly. One of the morphs can come in handy, however, I would take Nova over it any day.
First Morph: Remembrancr- I prefer this morph because the 20% damage mitigation really makes your heals more useful. It's like a mini nova. The 20% damage mitigation is useful when you are taking a lot of damage. You pop it, you take less damage and get tons of heals. For PvP, this is the morph to choose.

You have a passive that gives you...somewhere around 12,500 armor and spell res while Rite of Passage (or whatever morph you use) is channeling. You're also immune to CC for 4 seconds. If you plop down your Purifying Ritual and then use Remembrance, I think it would be quite a good tanky ability. In short, I think you're downplaying its usefulness a little bit. I can't speak from experience (unfortunately Dargnab VR rank grind) but, just looking at the raw numbers...

120 Ult cost vs Nova 240. So, you can use two Rites or one Nova. Nova deals more damage, but can be rolled out of, and the damage reduction (according to the tooltip) only applies to an enemy if they're in the Nova, whereas Rites damage reduction always applies. Nova also gives 7% more damage reduction., but doesn't heal. Duration wise, assuming two Rites and one Nova, Nova lasts 1.6 seconds longer.
23% damage reduction for 4
CC immunity for 4 sec
12,500 armor. I think it stacks with your Channeled Focus/Rune Focus armor buff as well.. having...a little trouble checking because apparently going into my character sheet while channeling an ability cancels it O.o *fumes* But that would put my templar - who is currently wearing 7 light - at almost 24000 spell res, 19500 armor. Note the VR rank, as well as I intend to run 2 pieces of heavy once I hit VR14, so the numbers would be higher. Anyway >.>

My VR2 templar would regen - 4k magicka, 1100 ish stamina during the duration. Regen 4400 magicka with Channeled Focus.

The healing - 3600 vs BoL 4500. Basically 4 mini BoLs that heal four allies instead of 3.
________

On vampire's bane - currently my tooltip shows 4k damage DoT, 1804 damage off the bat. Don't forget it gives you 10% more crit, procs your passive class-based ultimate gain, and gives you a 5% spell damage buff (if you haven't cast anything else from that tree yet). Furthermore, the DoT it gives will tick at least one time, even if you spam it. Mine does 642 ticks, 1k crits, bringing 1804 up to 2446 in comparison to Force Pulse 2694. The DoT lasts for 8 seconds, and 5804 damage total is pretty good if you're able to cast it, then perhaps for some reason have to go on the defensive and your recasts don't refresh the DoT.

On the slow travel time - I've found that the ability sometimes has a delay in actually going off. It's...a pain in the butt sometimes, but also quite amusing when the projectile decides to fire off right when I fire off a heavy attack + toppling charge. Edit: Oh, it slows for 40% as well, which is nice.

Just a disclaimer, I'm not VR14 yet, plus my Vampire's Bane ability isn't at max rank like my force pulse is. Thus, the damage difference between them is slightly smaller. Furthermore, I 1) Haven't put correct enchants on my jewelry, and 2) Probably have too much regen. Using the Atronach Mundus. I also intend to be something of a tankier caster in PvP than I think is normal.

Very detailed!

So my thoughts:

Channeling Focus only gives 5.1k armor and spell resist.

I prefer Nova also because of the Synergy that my group mates can use (forgot to include that)

Also, Vampires bane CAN work. I personally just don't feel that it is viable enough to replace something on my bar

Cinbri · June 2015

blabafat wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

Just wanted to point this out.

Ultimate: Rite of Passage - This ultimate isn't the best for PvP. I recommend it for PvE mostly. One of the morphs can come in handy, however, I would take Nova over it any day.
First Morph: Remembrancr- I prefer this morph because the 20% damage mitigation really makes your heals more useful. It's like a mini nova. The 20% damage mitigation is useful when you are taking a lot of damage. You pop it, you take less damage and get tons of heals. For PvP, this is the morph to choose.

You have a passive that gives you...somewhere around 12,500 armor and spell res while Rite of Passage (or whatever morph you use) is channeling. You're also immune to CC for 4 seconds. If you plop down your Purifying Ritual and then use Remembrance, I think it would be quite a good tanky ability. In short, I think you're downplaying its usefulness a little bit. I can't speak from experience (unfortunately Dargnab VR rank grind) but, just looking at the raw numbers...

120 Ult cost vs Nova 240. So, you can use two Rites or one Nova. Nova deals more damage, but can be rolled out of, and the damage reduction (according to the tooltip) only applies to an enemy if they're in the Nova, whereas Rites damage reduction always applies. Nova also gives 7% more damage reduction., but doesn't heal. Duration wise, assuming two Rites and one Nova, Nova lasts 1.6 seconds longer.
23% damage reduction for 4
CC immunity for 4 sec
12,500 armor. I think it stacks with your Channeled Focus/Rune Focus armor buff as well.. having...a little trouble checking because apparently going into my character sheet while channeling an ability cancels it O.o *fumes* But that would put my templar - who is currently wearing 7 light - at almost 24000 spell res, 19500 armor. Note the VR rank, as well as I intend to run 2 pieces of heavy once I hit VR14, so the numbers would be higher. Anyway >.>

My VR2 templar would regen - 4k magicka, 1100 ish stamina during the duration. Regen 4400 magicka with Channeled Focus.

The healing - 3600 vs BoL 4500. Basically 4 mini BoLs that heal four allies instead of 3.
________

On vampire's bane - currently my tooltip shows 4k damage DoT, 1804 damage off the bat. Don't forget it gives you 10% more crit, procs your passive class-based ultimate gain, and gives you a 5% spell damage buff (if you haven't cast anything else from that tree yet). Furthermore, the DoT it gives will tick at least one time, even if you spam it. Mine does 642 ticks, 1k crits, bringing 1804 up to 2446 in comparison to Force Pulse 2694. The DoT lasts for 8 seconds, and 5804 damage total is pretty good if you're able to cast it, then perhaps for some reason have to go on the defensive and your recasts don't refresh the DoT.

On the slow travel time - I've found that the ability sometimes has a delay in actually going off. It's...a pain in the butt sometimes, but also quite amusing when the projectile decides to fire off right when I fire off a heavy attack + toppling charge. Edit: Oh, it slows for 40% as well, which is nice.

Just a disclaimer, I'm not VR14 yet, plus my Vampire's Bane ability isn't at max rank like my force pulse is. Thus, the damage difference between them is slightly smaller. Furthermore, I 1) Haven't put correct enchants on my jewelry, and 2) Probably have too much regen. Using the Atronach Mundus. I also intend to be something of a tankier caster in PvP than I think is normal.

Very detailed!

So my thoughts:

Channeling Focus only gives 5.1k armor and spell resist.

I prefer Nova also because of the Synergy that my group mates can use (forgot to include that)

Also, Vampires bane CAN work. I personally just don't feel that it is viable enough to replace something on my bar

Well if you have Nirn trait, Focus giving much more than 5.1k bonus. Coz spellresist from nirn re-applying on all spellresist buffs. With my current 105% buff from nirn, Focus that should granting 5120 resist in fact adding 10939 spellresist. Perfect synergy of trait and skill

Tonturri · June 2015

I prefer Nova also because of the Synergy that my group mates can use (forgot to include that)

Also, Vampires bane CAN work. I personally just don't feel that it is viable enough to replace something on my bar

@blabafat
In a group setting, have you tried using the morph of Nova that snares ( Ithink 70%) in addition to Reflective Light? Admittedly Reflective isn't the best, but it's 1)A nice spammable AoE slow up front + dot thingerjmajog, and I believe a friend told me the slow from that plus the one from the Nova morph that snares stack.

RazzPitazz · June 2015

What are your thoughts for using Unstable Core into Purifying Light?

blabafat · June 2015

@Cinbri Yes, I guess so. IF you are using nirnhoned the amount goes higher. However, nirnhoned is broken and is going to be changed. So you are right, however if you are not including nirnhoned it's only 5.1k

blabafat · June 2015

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

What are your thoughts for using Unstable Core into Purifying Light?

Maybe it can work, haven't tried it myself. However, I don't think that Unstable Core is worth it over Total Dark. The heal is like 3k plus for every spell you reflect. If a sorcerer drops an atronach and you put Total Dark on it, you get tons of heals. I don't think that unstable core's damage is high enough to make it viable with Purifying Light.

blabafat · July 2015

Added a little bit of info on valkyn, i wuv it

Vynist · July 2015

blabafat wrote: »

Added a little bit of info on valkyn, i wuv it

I am currently trying to farm Engine Guardian right now (with no luck lol). Do you suggest forgetting about Engine Guardian and go for Valkyn?

I always saw your vids and knew the use of Engine Guardian, both for the sustain and the Repentance when it dies. But as a Templar, does the added boost of dmg from Valkyn outweigh that? Especially since I don't have Proximity Detonation yet. You definitely need to upload some 1v1 duels with Valkyn doing a showcase for it

blabafat · July 2015

Vynist wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Added a little bit of info on valkyn, i wuv it

I am currently trying to farm Engine Guardian right now (with no luck lol). Do you suggest forgetting about Engine Guardian and go for Valkyn?

I always saw your vids and knew the use of Engine Guardian, both for the sustain and the Repentance when it dies. But as a Templar, does the added boost of dmg from Valkyn outweigh that? Especially since I don't have Proximity Detonation yet. You definitely need to upload some 1v1 duels with Valkyn doing a showcase for it

I still think Engine is REALLY Powerful. Valkyn has a few flaws: It does not proc on shields; it can be reflected.

So against a shield stacking sorc, your valkyn is kind of useless. It's all on preference really, I am liking Valkyn, however I switch to Engine every now and then as well. With engine you can drop some of your sustain and get a little more damage.

Sundeity · July 2015

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

never take 2handed over dual weild for spell power increases, on any class.

you can do more set bonuses for spell power with Dual Wield, and one Templar i know pushes 3.4k spell damage.

Can anyone explain this in a little more detail? I understand the set bonus aspect, but, can't you get the 5% damage bonus with 2h from Heavy Weapons, and the 10% bonus after a full charged attack from Follow Up?

blabafat · July 2015

Giron_ESO wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

never take 2handed over dual weild for spell power increases, on any class.

you can do more set bonuses for spell power with Dual Wield, and one Templar i know pushes 3.4k spell damage.

Can anyone explain this in a little more detail? I understand the set bonus aspect, but, can't you get the 5% damage bonus with 2h from Heavy Weapons, and the 10% bonus after a full charged attack from Follow Up?

What he's saying is, Dual wield gives more spell damage than 2H. Plus, dual wield is 2 weapons, opening up options for more set bonuses.

timidobserver · July 2015

blabafat wrote: »

TheSunAlsoRises wrote: »

do you have any footage of 1v1 or small groups (3v3 or less) fights?

I'm going to upload a Templar dueling video soon, and my youtube channel consists of 1vX/Group vs X pvp.
"blabafat eso" is my channel.

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In open world 1vX PvP, do you have a strategy for dealing with bow stealth oneshot combo builds? I've been running Radiant Magelight to counter it.

blabafat · July 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

TheSunAlsoRises wrote: »

do you have any footage of 1v1 or small groups (3v3 or less) fights?

I'm going to upload a Templar dueling video soon, and my youtube channel consists of 1vX/Group vs X pvp.
"blabafat eso" is my channel.

.

In open world 1vX PvP, do you have a strategy for dealing with bow stealth oneshot combo builds? I've been running Radiant Magelight to counter it.

That's honestly a REALLY good ability to have if you got room. Toppling charge might help since it goes through cloak and dodge roll.

Ryuho · July 2015

Dots from vamp bane/reflc light dont apply tru shields.. Its great vs non shield targets, may deal nasty dmg + proc valkyn, but vs shieldstackers its ***.. You hit them with 3k initial hit and dot isnt applied which is uber stupid!! As I wrote in many topics dot should apply and reduce shield amoount slowly..

Etaniel · July 2015

Great detailed post ! Thanks for taking the time to write it up

*Updated for TG* Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc.

Updated for TG Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc.