Why 100? Some guilds don't even have that many members. That doesn't make them any less active.

Varicite wrote: »

To be completely honest, you don't even know what the benefits to holding a keep ARE...

Alright, I'll concede this point. Since you seem to be the obvious expert in this, what ARE the benefits of claiming a keep?

Mind you, I am inquiring as to what the benefits of 'claiming' a keep are, not 'holding' a keep. Different in my eyes.

Please enlighten me.

So, in essence, there is no tangible in-game advantage, beyond a trade kiosk, to claiming a keep.

Your arguement of pride, prestige, and banners flying is less tangible then me claiming a keep for the trade kiosk alone, simply because keeps change hands so much.

You also keep claiming that the store front is underused and unsuccessful. I claim otherwise. Just because it is underused and unsuccessful for you perhaps, or others, does not mean the same goes for me or whatever trade guild I happen to claim a keep for.

You want to claim a keep in the name of pride and prestige and all that jazz...more power to you. Awesome! Excellent! You go do that. I will also admit that I do to enjoy that aspect of capturing a keep and it IS a great sense of pride for my guild as well. I would be an imbecile to deny that myself or to anyone else for that matter.

The fact remains however, that the only in-game advantage to claiming a keep for a guild is the Quartermaster trade kiosk. I'll admit that even THAT is not really enough to claim a keep but since it's the only in-game reason to, and it CAN provide a guild with monetary gain, it is reason enough.

Until such time as claiming a keep provides players with other in-game benefits, I'll advocate my original point: Only guilds with the Guild Store unlocked should be able to claim a keep in Cyrodiil.

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Varicite wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

So, in essence, there is no tangible in-game advantage, beyond a trade kiosk, to claiming a keep.

Your arguement of pride, prestige, and banners flying is less tangible then me claiming a keep for the trade kiosk alone, simply because keeps change hands so much.

You also keep claiming that the store front is underused and unsuccessful. I claim otherwise. Just because it is underused and unsuccessful for you perhaps, or others, does not mean the same goes for me or whatever trade guild I happen to claim a keep for.

You want to claim a keep in the name of pride and prestige and all that jazz...more power to you. Awesome! Excellent! You go do that. I will also admit that I do to enjoy that aspect of capturing a keep and it IS a great sense of pride for my guild as well. I would be an imbecile to deny that myself or to anyone else for that matter.

The fact remains however, that the only in-game advantage to claiming a keep for a guild is the Quartermaster trade kiosk. I'll admit that even THAT is not really enough to claim a keep but since it's the only in-game reason to, and it CAN provide a guild with monetary gain, it is reason enough.

Until such time as claiming a keep provides players with other in-game benefits, I'll advocate my original point: Only guilds with the Guild Store unlocked should be able to claim a keep in Cyrodiil.

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I guess you don't need any food potions drinks or gear? Or they never run out.

I buy them outside of Cyro or make them myself, y'know, like everybody else.
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Manoekin wrote: »

Now, to find a good keep to claim!

You gotta get a keep first.

Sacadon wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

To be completely honest, you don't even know what the benefits to holding a keep ARE...

Alright, I'll concede this point. Since you seem to be the obvious expert in this, what ARE the benefits of claiming a keep?

Mind you, I am inquiring as to what the benefits of 'claiming' a keep are, not 'holding' a keep. Different in my eyes.

Please enlighten me.

Claiming and holding a keep go hand-in-hand. If you don't intend to hold the keep, then why claim it?

Certainly not if you actually do care about keeping a vendor out there.

Claiming a keep not only allows you to set up a most likely unused and unvisited storefront, but it's also a mark of prestige for those who do claim it. Your banners fly, the guards where your colors, etc. It's all part of the ongoing battle that is the fight for putting your Emperor on the throne.

Your desire for an underused and unsuccessful storefront does not supercede the desires of others who also wish to claim these keeps.

I'm not begrudging you your wish to claim them, but you seem to be doing exactly that to anybody who has motives outside of your own and I'll speak out against that kind of selfish attitude every time.

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I remember that guild name being stuck on brindle for weeks (one of the first bugged guild names) on dawn 2.0 (or maybe it was first cycle chillrend, cant remember)

and I always wondered the origin story

my assumptions were it was either

1. Some organized raid got wrecked by a ground oil while stacked in a windmill
2. Someone came across a couple of "questionably roleplaying" people in the same structure

So whats the backstory
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Rylana wrote: »

Sacadon wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

To be completely honest, you don't even know what the benefits to holding a keep ARE...

Alright, I'll concede this point. Since you seem to be the obvious expert in this, what ARE the benefits of claiming a keep?

Mind you, I am inquiring as to what the benefits of 'claiming' a keep are, not 'holding' a keep. Different in my eyes.

Please enlighten me.

Claiming and holding a keep go hand-in-hand. If you don't intend to hold the keep, then why claim it?

Certainly not if you actually do care about keeping a vendor out there.

Claiming a keep not only allows you to set up a most likely unused and unvisited storefront, but it's also a mark of prestige for those who do claim it. Your banners fly, the guards where your colors, etc. It's all part of the ongoing battle that is the fight for putting your Emperor on the throne.

Your desire for an underused and unsuccessful storefront does not supercede the desires of others who also wish to claim these keeps.

I'm not begrudging you your wish to claim them, but you seem to be doing exactly that to anybody who has motives outside of your own and I'll speak out against that kind of selfish attitude every time.

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I remember that guild name being stuck on brindle for weeks (one of the first bugged guild names) on dawn 2.0 (or maybe it was first cycle chillrend, cant remember)

and I always wondered the origin story

my assumptions were it was either

1. Some organized raid got wrecked by a ground oil while stacked in a windmill
2. Someone came across a couple of "questionably roleplaying" people in the same structure

So whats the backstory

Yeah... I don't remember the exacts and it was second hand information for me back then. Maybe someone knows and can share. Some of us are still getting entertainment value out of it though as recent as last week.

The point I was trying to illustrate for the OP was that this seeks to replace something that has entertainment value for those that spend most of their time in Cyrodiil with a function that we do not have a need for. Which of course when compared to the fun is of very little value.
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Also, it's been a very long while (prob 9 months), but I've claimed a few keeps for BMW and I am comfortable in saying that we didn't generate a lot of revenue from that. Being in Eastmarch does though.

Edit: I know that Sabre Trading Guild has a PvP group (DC maybe?). Since they're one of the larger trading guilds with a regular spot in Craglorn, maybe someone that PvPs for them can chime in on this.

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

You take two full raids and one of them builds their raid to support and help each other. The other raid just is full of random players who do not adjust their builds to support a raid. The end result the first raid stomps the floor with the other raid then continues to conquer cyrodiil. Exactly why my guild had 22 people holding a scroll at the spawn of a pop locked enemy faction and they couldn't stop it or kill us.

One group of players is doing what it takes to make the faction stronger. The other group of players is fighting to maintain their personal identities and builds. So you got keeps named "butt hole lickers" and "rubbed one out" instead of DC Trading Guild. One just trolls while the other offers the faction resources to win fights.

So now that you've confirmed what I already knew you were saying, let me respond yet again (or troll, as you call it). You are correlating two completely unrelated things: having a guild store in Cyrodiil, and players being prepared to be effective in a fight. We have been doing it without a guild store in a keep since launch, and having one now would not provide any improved circumstance. We would still leave Cyrodiil to do most of these things, since the guild stores would not be a permanent feature due to maps flipping, needing to do other things, etc.

Also, no one wants to buy overpriced potions and food from stores anyway, the best way to do it is buy from a friend through trade, or better yet- make it yourself.

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

You take two full raids and one of them builds their raid to support and help each other. The other raid just is full of random players who do not adjust their builds to support a raid. The end result the first raid stomps the floor with the other raid then continues to conquer cyrodiil. Exactly why my guild had 22 people holding a scroll at the spawn of a pop locked enemy faction and they couldn't stop it or kill us.

One group of players is doing what it takes to make the faction stronger. The other group of players is fighting to maintain their personal identities and builds. So you got keeps named "butt hole lickers" and "rubbed one out" instead of DC Trading Guild. One just trolls while the other offers the faction resources to win fights.

@Draxys said it better than I could...

So just popping in to say that the name of a troll guild cannot be directly correlated to a PvP group that does NOT benefit the AvA cause no more than a high-functioning trade guild name can be directly correlated to a PvP group that does benefit the AvA cause. Actually, if you think back to many of the troll guild names, they were created by some of the most AvA impactful and effective PvP guilds. Yes exceptions apply of course. My point is, that length of the chasm you keep trying to jump across between the name of a guild claiming a keep and some benefit to AvA is massive!

@Siliconhobbit_ESO

OK, now that you admitted to lying, let me explain to you why you are wrong.

You initial premise was "Assuming there are NO OTHER advantages," and "Since the only advantage to claiming a keep IS the quartermaster use for a trade store, claiming a keep should be restricted to guilds with a guild store unlocked to them.

If you are going to enjoy that CAPS LOCK key to yell at us at what you think are absolute truths, then you do look silly when people point out you are wrong. Mako1132 was exactly right when he said that pride and prestige were every bit as valid reasons for claiming ownership of a keep. In fact, the Zenimax trailer that introduced Guild Tabbarbs specifically mentioned the pride and prestige aspect that they served.

Your weak, lame, and wrong response to this was "Your arguement of pride, prestige, and banners flying is less tangible then me claiming a keep for the trade kiosk alone, simply because keeps change hands so much."

No it's not less tangible. I will never ever see your trade kiosk. Ever. Because I don't shop in Cyrodiil. You are your guild are invisible to me. You get zero tangible benefits from me. None. I have and will, however, gained a greater appreciation for players like Germtrocity and Namiera (sorry for misspelling your names) and others like them because they have claimed prominent keeps such as Arrius and Glademist. As you say, any troll can claim a keep, but when these same names consistently pop up on important keeps and my own inquires confirmed they were good and respected players, then their name carries an important and significance miles beyond your kiosk. If Namiera says in zone "Attack Arrius," I am going to do that because I know that is a strategic move for my alliance that is backed up by good players and an important guild. If Germtrocity offers advice on how to play a sorcerer, I will stop what I am doing and pay attention. If you say "Attack Arrius," I will ignore that like your Kiosk. Since you are so fond of using CAPS, I will do so as well, but actually be correct: there ARE tangible benefits that come with prestige. And this does not even get into issues such as recruitment which is the lifeblood of every guild

And if prestige dosen't matter to you because keeps change hands so much, then your guild kiosk doesn't matter either. You are a hypocrite to say those 20 minutes your guild kiosk is in operation is invaluable to you for sales, but somehow those same 20 minutes are not valuable to a guild looking to make a name for themselves in Cyrodiil.

Manoekin wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Now, to find a good keep to claim!

You gotta get a keep first.

I'll let someone else do the hard work don't worry bb.

You are my hero

Rylana wrote: »

In all fairness, I have yet to see anything worth buying in a guild store in Cyrodiil anyway. Unless its a guild that has a kiosk already in Rawlka or Elden or Deshaan (a major trade guild, in other words)

So really, the whole idea that you need a trader in Cyro is kinda silly, being a member of multiple trade guilds like I am, I never shop at any of those other ones, because its always crap thats priced way over value, and/or stuff no one needs.

Most are just junk dumps off of people wishfully thinking someone might buy it, and in the end, no one ever does.

I used to openly whine that idiots with crap guild stores were claiming keeps, because I figured the whole purpose of claiming them was to sell siege and gems out of them. Then I realized nobody did that.