ridiculous

Twizelbang · May 2015

I was rather happy with the price

stojekarcub18_ESO · May 2015

It's only cosmetic. Plenty of folks are willing to throw $25 at a skin. I don't see that it is worth it, thus I won't buy it. Doesn't change the fact that if someone else does, they will, and that's ok.

Mettaricana · May 2015

Theosis wrote: »

I had interest in the new mount until..

The price of the limited mount is beyond silly..

Over the price of a months crowns? Seriously?

I willing have kept my sub because I want to support my favorite game. There almost no reason to do so yet I was still doing it because I love the game. This is a blatant slap in the face for us few who wanted to support your game.

Very unhappy customer.

hit vr 14 cancelled sub i love the game but for what they offer for 15$ is just not worth my money i'll maybe sub again when i see hair/race/appearance changers etc and the DLC but at the moment 10% exp just isn't worth my time or money...

EQBallzz · May 2015

Ranique wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I love how people can "get behind" support of the game if it's in the form of a 25 dollar mount purchase but if it's a 12.99 monthly sub it's "OMG OUTRAGEOUS HOW DARE ANYONE CHARGE THAT!? DOWN WITH ALL THE SUBS!11" The cost of that mount is basically two months of a normal sub..for a single mount. I will never understand why people prefer this type of piecemeal gouging and inequity over the equitable sub price where everyone gets everything for the same nominal amount.

I'm one of those cheap asses that never played with a sub. And yeah, I know you didnt say so, but in between the lines, that is what you call me.

Now let me explain why I'll never pay a sub for a game.
Reason 1: many subbed games have been aiming to get and keep people addicted. On itself it is not the company's fault nor responsability, they should consider not working with that goal from a moral point of view.
Reason 2: I don't have a stable income. sometimes my income is high (and my time to play is low or even non-existing). sometimes money is low and I got plenty of time to play. Now I want to play when I goti the time, not when I got the money. further. when I invest in the company I want to buy stuff that I can enjoy when I have time to play. All in all I'm paying more on games then the average monthly fee, but just not stable.

To me, those who are saying that an exclusive mount should not cost more then the 1500 crowns a subber gets per month is much more cheap then the person who actually buys the mount for the current price, but refuses to pay subs ever!

I mean this in a respectfull way. My tone is intended with the purpose of showing my agetation with your standing against people who don't sub. Those people are human too and we all support ESO in the way we feel is best.

Ow and to be honest, even if I had a stable income, I wouldn't take the sub. Just cause the offer is bad. The 10% boost is useless to me. The free DLC's is currently non-existing, and the amount of crowns given is lower then what you can buy directly in the store for that price.

It has nothing to do with being a "cheap ass". I never said that. It's about how B2P/F2P systems are a scam and some people don't seem to see through that transparent facade that the game is "free". Nothing is free. You said it yourself that you likely spend more than you would if it was a sub game so why would you be in favor of that? That makes no sense. The reality of these systems is that it counts on some people to pay way more than the average person to fund the game which creates a basic inequity of funding the game. Some will pay huge amounts to fund the game while others pay much less. It also incentivizes the game company to put better and better items in the store to keep the funds flowing which pushes the game more and more into P2W territory.

It's much more equitable for everyone to pay the same nominal fee that a sub represents and then everyone gets everything equally, nobody is paying more than anyone else for the game and there is no pressure to fill the cash shop with items they know people will purchase.

Even in your example it would be cheaper to just pay the sub even through times where you aren't playing as much or just drop your sub if you will be away for a while. I don't even know what you are talking about with your comment about subs trying to keep ppl addicted. That makes no sense. Sub games do have to continue to improve and add content because that is what you are paying for. If adding content to the game makes people want to play more that is a good thing (not addiction). The flip side of that would mean you want game companies to not release new content or make the game appealing enough to keep playing so people don't become "addicted". Sorry but that is a bit ridiculous.

Ojustaboo · May 2015

Agree with the op that the price is stupid.

And sure many will happily pay what for many others is a silly price.

keep things priced that high and many people like myself will never buy crowns, give us things at a sensible price and I will more than happily buy some.

It depends on the numbers though,

if 300 players are prepared to spend $25 on a skin, Zenimax makes $7,500
If 500 players are prepared to spend $20 on a skin, Zenimax makes $10,000
If 3000 players are prepared to spend $5 on a skin, Zenimax makes $15,000

Bearing in mind it's all automated, the additional cost of all those extra purchases at the lower price should be almost non existent. And if you ramp those figures up, it looks even better.

2000 at $25 = $50,000
20,000 at $5 = $100,000

The only way this doesn't make sense is if the majority of people wanting the item, are prepared to pay whatever is asked (and judging by those I've spoken to in game, that isn't the case) where you end up in a situation where,

Charge $25 and 3000 players buy, making $75,000 for Zenimax
Charge $5 and 5000 players buy, making just $25,000 for Zenimax

For me, it's simply a matter that even if I had a million in the bank, I would not waste $25 on a skin

Many people worked hard in low paying jobs to get their consoles or PC's and don't have big disposable incomes, such a person is much more likely to warrant a couple of crown purchases a year if they can buy items at a sensible price, but I doubt many will be so willing when things are priced this high.

It ends up being a two teared game, those with money to burn have the good items, those that don't, don't.

I'm more than happy to give financial support to Zenimax through their crown store, but I never will with these sorts of prices.

Maybe they have so many people paying silly amounts that they don't give a damn if I ever buy crowns or not.

Their choice.

Elsonso · May 2015

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Agree with the op that the price is stupid.

And sure many will happily pay what for many others is a silly price.

keep things priced that high and many people like myself will never buy crowns, give us things at a sensible price and I will more than happily buy some.

[snip]

Maybe they have so many people paying silly amounts that they don't give a damn if I ever buy crowns or not.

One indication of what is happening in the Senche mount market is how much the offer has changed between the Pather and the Polka-dot limited time offers. If the Polka-dot offer did not work for them, the obvious response would be to change the Panther offer.

Sandmanninja · May 2015

Most mounts in WoW cost $25.
There have been "special" mounts in WoW that required 'referring' a friend to the game.
Most people ended up BUYING A SECOND copy of the game...just to get the mount.

At the end of the day, Mounts aren't required to play the game.
If you have a single mount, then you can ride it anywhere.

Sandmanninja · May 2015

Ranique wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I love how people can "get behind" support of the game if it's in the form of a 25 dollar mount purchase but if it's a 12.99 monthly sub it's "OMG OUTRAGEOUS HOW DARE ANYONE CHARGE THAT!? DOWN WITH ALL THE SUBS!11" The cost of that mount is basically two months of a normal sub..for a single mount. I will never understand why people prefer this type of piecemeal gouging and inequity over the equitable sub price where everyone gets everything for the same nominal amount.

I'm one of those cheap asses that never played with a sub. And yeah, I know you didnt say so, but in between the lines, that is what you call me.

Now let me explain why I'll never pay a sub for a game.
Reason 1: many subbed games have been aiming to get and keep people addicted. On itself it is not the company's fault nor responsability, they should consider not working with that goal from a moral point of view.
Reason 2: I don't have a stable income. sometimes my income is high (and my time to play is low or even non-existing). sometimes money is low and I got plenty of time to play. Now I want to play when I goti the time, not when I got the money. further. when I invest in the company I want to buy stuff that I can enjoy when I have time to play. All in all I'm paying more on games then the average monthly fee, but just not stable.

To me, those who are saying that an exclusive mount should not cost more then the 1500 crowns a subber gets per month is much more cheap then the person who actually buys the mount for the current price, but refuses to pay subs ever!

I mean this in a respectfull way. My tone is intended with the purpose of showing my agetation with your standing against people who don't sub. Those people are human too and we all support ESO in the way we feel is best.

Ow and to be honest, even if I had a stable income, I wouldn't take the sub. Just cause the offer is bad. The 10% boost is useless to me. The free DLC's is currently non-existing, and the amount of crowns given is lower then what you can buy directly in the store for that price.

Fifty cents a day is too much? Movie tickets cost more than that.
Things aren't given away by companies because they are nice and like you.
They have to make a profit, to pay employees, to continue to maintain the product and develop new products.
If you adhere to the leech model for the joys and perks in your life, then you're getting what you pay for.
Hell, I feel if someone doesn't sub, they should get 30 days of tech support then it's only for subscribers.
Why? Subbers pay ZOS' bills.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

EQBallzz · May 2015

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Most mounts in WoW cost $25.
There have been "special" mounts in WoW that required 'referring' a friend to the game.
Most people ended up BUYING A SECOND copy of the game...just to get the mount.

At the end of the day, Mounts aren't required to play the game.
If you have a single mount, then you can ride it anywhere.

I hate that argument. You could say something silly like that about anything. Why don't they make the graphics for armor cost 10 dollars per slot? You still get the stats of armor but if you don't want to look naked you have to pay 10 dollars for each slot to get the armor graphic. Armor graphics are not required to play the game so you can run around playing naked anywhere and do anything.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you can technically play the game...segregating the game into these different categories of payment where some people can play with all the toys if they have more money and others can "make due" with less because they have less money to spend is NOT FUN. There is enough of that IRL so why drag that crap into a game?

Sandmanninja · May 2015

You don't need a mount to play. Period. It's that simple.
Nothing to compare to real life. Ya don't have to have one.
If ya have one, then having additional mounts does nothing for you.
It did until 1.6 (where mounts were faster or more sturdy) but not any longer.

No idea what you mean by 'armor graphics' and $10 a slot?

rynth · May 2015

the prices are about the same it seems like imo about the same for crowns and for items. No matter the price in rl its a waste of money because well buying anything from the crown store is fake not real and does nothing to help you in rl. Now it is worth it to people because they get something out of it and don't mind the price. If you don't like the price then don't pay for it stop bitching about the price it isn't going to change unless they offer it on sale. If you can't afford it or can't justify the purchase then don't end of story, what part of that don't you understand op.

Cry_Wolfe · May 2015

The Problem for ZoS and by extension ESO and its player base, is that ZoS view their game as a business, ESO as their product and the ESO player base as Customers.

Please read on before you start your frothy mouthed ranting

ESO is a Club, ZoS is the Clubs Committee, and we the player base are the Clubs Members.

If we want to continue our clubs prosperity and therefore our membership benefits, then we have to pay our membership fees and support our club in what ever ways we can!
The Club only Exists because of its members, and because it caters to and for its members.
The Committee's job is to manage the Club, its holdings and its members.
Freeb players are the walk in public, it is in the membership's, the Club's and the Committee's best interests to encourage people that walk into the Club to join the Club and reap the benefits of being a member.

If you treat your members as cash pinatas you'll very soon find them blocking your requests for money out of hand by principle.

Creating prestige items that require your membership to dish out extra funds (and at current rates it would seem that monthly store updates are what ZoS is aiming for) on a monthly basis, devalues the benefits of membership. The tipping point of a for/against argument over membership is reached when members refuse to use their crowns on fluff items, because they would rather save them to buy content releases (when ever they actually arrive), Content that as a member they would have access to anyways, but that the purchase of will allow them to stop paying their membership fees.

TL:DR:
Members should not be looking forward to a time when they aren't members....

Sandmanninja · May 2015

Cry_Wolfe wrote: »

The Problem for ZoS and by extension ESO and its player base, is that ZoS view their game as a business, ESO as their product and the ESO player base as Customers.

Please read on before you start your frothy mouthed ranting

ESO is a Club, ZoS is the Clubs Committee, and we the player base are the Clubs Members.

No. ZOS is a business. ESO is a product. We are customers.
A company releases products to get money from customers.
If you can't afford the product, then don't get it.
If you can afford the product and it would enhance your gaming experience, then get it.

EQBallzz · May 2015

Sandmanninja wrote: »

You don't need a mount to play. Period. It's that simple.
Nothing to compare to real life. Ya don't have to have one.
If ya have one, then having additional mounts does nothing for you.
It did until 1.6 (where mounts were faster or more sturdy) but not any longer.

No idea what you mean by 'armor graphics' and $10 a slot?

I can't help it if you can't understand a simple illustration of why the argument that you don't *need* a mount is silly. Try reading harder.

Cry_Wolfe · May 2015

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Cry_Wolfe wrote: »

The Problem for ZoS and by extension ESO and its player base, is that ZoS view their game as a business, ESO as their product and the ESO player base as Customers.

Please read on before you start your frothy mouthed ranting

ESO is a Club, ZoS is the Clubs Committee, and we the player base are the Clubs Members.

No. ZOS is a business. ESO is a product. We are customers.
A company releases products to get money from customers.
If you can't afford the product, then don't get it.
If you can afford the product and it would enhance your gaming experience, then get it.

yes ZoS is a company and ESO is a product, and we the end user are the customer.
It's easy to limit the relationship to those bounds. If you wish to create a lasting relationship you will need to ask for more than my credit card number

... There are plenty of goods and services that require my attentions, this isn't 1980 and life moves alot faster these days, if you are happy with McDonalds then by all means buy their cruddy food, its priced to be affordable, if you want Silver Service then you pay for it and you Expect to Get Silver Service.

On the one hand you have a fast food chain, on the other you have a business based around quality assurance. Zos can push microtransactions and a liquid customer base or they can build loyalty around quality service.

Currently there is no reason to pay the Sub. No amount of Ad Hominem can change that.

Sandmanninja · May 2015

EQBallzz wrote: »

I can't help it if you can't understand a simple illustration of why the argument that you don't *need* a mount is silly. Try reading harder.

Why don't they make the graphics for armor cost 10 dollars per slot? You still get the stats of armor but if you don't want to look naked you have to pay 10 dollars for each slot to get the armor graphic. Armor graphics are not required to play the game so you can run around playing naked anywhere and do anything.

(squints)(tries to 'read harder')
I don't know if you play Skyrim with a mod that makes everyone naked or not (sounds like it, reading your example), but what you are trying to compare it to is just silly.
If you carry YOUR argument to the full extent, then players don't need ANYTHING.
Just plop us in a big, empty environment with no textures and be done with it.
That make sense to anyone?
Having a mount makes sense. It lets you cover more ground quickly. You can enjoy the game a great deal more.
Having multiple mounts no longer gives you any benefit. None. Nadda. Zip.
I could have 1 horse or 100 horses and there is no difference.
I am moving at the same rate, no matter the mount.

The Crown store is designed for items of convenience. Period. You don't have to have ANYTHING in that shop.
If you never visited the crown shop, your game would not be affected in any way that can be measured.

If you want to buy something from the crown shop, then go for it.

(re-reads the $10 post thing again)
Sorry. That still makes no sense.

mwsacto_ESO · May 2015

Fair price for the mount. I'm one of the fools who pays for a subscription and uses my crowns on a mount. If they only offered the horse skills in tokens

EQBallzz · May 2015

Sandmanninja wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I can't help it if you can't understand a simple illustration of why the argument that you don't *need* a mount is silly. Try reading harder.

Why don't they make the graphics for armor cost 10 dollars per slot? You still get the stats of armor but if you don't want to look naked you have to pay 10 dollars for each slot to get the armor graphic. Armor graphics are not required to play the game so you can run around playing naked anywhere and do anything.

(squints)(tries to 'read harder')
I don't know if you play Skyrim with a mod that makes everyone naked or not (sounds like it, reading your example), but what you are trying to compare it to is just silly.
If you carry YOUR argument to the full extent, then players don't need ANYTHING.
Just plop us in a big, empty environment with no textures and be done with it.
That make sense to anyone?
Having a mount makes sense. It lets you cover more ground quickly. You can enjoy the game a great deal more.
Having multiple mounts no longer gives you any benefit. None. Nadda. Zip.
I could have 1 horse or 100 horses and there is no difference.
I am moving at the same rate, no matter the mount.

The Crown store is designed for items of convenience. Period. You don't have to have ANYTHING in that shop.
If you never visited the crown shop, your game would not be affected in any way that can be measured.

If you want to buy something from the crown shop, then go for it.

(re-reads the $10 post thing again)
Sorry. That still makes no sense.

It's really not that hard to understand. If you got the stats from armor but not the visuals it wouldn't impact your game play whatsoever. Much like the skins of the horse..the skins of the armor are just visuals. So while completely silly and ridiculous to suggest..it's much the same argument. It's just a skin that gives your character a certain look. ZOS needs to make money (is the argument) so if people want to wear different clothes/armor to stand out..they should pay for their armor slots like people pay for horse skins. Obviously nobody would like that very much..sort of like how some don't like to be gated off from collecting all the mounts (without paying through the nose).

Ojustaboo · May 2015

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Most mounts in WoW cost $25.
There have been "special" mounts in WoW that required 'referring' a friend to the game.
Most people ended up BUYING A SECOND copy of the game...just to get the mount.

At the end of the day, Mounts aren't required to play the game.
If you have a single mount, then you can ride it anywhere.

Most people or some people?

With WoW sub numbers they can pretty much charge what they like and the law of averages means there will be enough people with money to burn that they make a fortune whatever.

TESO is a great game with huge potential but no where near the subscriber base WoW has.

Many PC players already feel like they have paid to beta test the console version, making such players feel like they are being milked with crown store items is not going to help their morale at all.

Many players got a load of crown points for subbing since release, hence for them, spending a load of them on a mount regardless of price, is not them spending real money (many in my guild have brought stuff with their points and have said there's no way they would have brought the items if they didn't have the crown points given to them, in other words, they would never purchase crown points to buy those items at the current price). While some of these would have spent the money on the mount whatever, many would not.

Yes we have a choice, but if it becomes too much of a them and us, it could backfire and players move elsewhere because they will never be able to afford/justify spending money on items they want. If Zenimax wants it to end up a game where only players with huge disposable incomes get to have all the great looking stuff, that's up to them, but I'm not sure if it ends up like that, it will be a game I want to continue to play.

Lots of players love to be completionists. Such a player with little disposable income that has worked hard for their pc/console, a player that can afford his/her isp but has little extra spare (contrary to how some of your lifestyles seem to be, many many many players will fall into this bracket), if they find themselves in a game where there's loads of things they would like for their character whether to role play or whatever, but will never ever be able to get due to real money costs, well I suspect many of them will feel that there's little point them continuing to play.

Sure real life is like that, but people play games to escape real life.

Again I'm more than happy to buy crown points if items are at a reasonable price and I suspect the poorest of players would manage to get crown points once or twice a year if they knew by doing so they could buy numerous items they want.

Ranique · May 2015

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Ranique wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I love how people can "get behind" support of the game if it's in the form of a 25 dollar mount purchase but if it's a 12.99 monthly sub it's "OMG OUTRAGEOUS HOW DARE ANYONE CHARGE THAT!? DOWN WITH ALL THE SUBS!11" The cost of that mount is basically two months of a normal sub..for a single mount. I will never understand why people prefer this type of piecemeal gouging and inequity over the equitable sub price where everyone gets everything for the same nominal amount.

I'm one of those cheap asses that never played with a sub. And yeah, I know you didnt say so, but in between the lines, that is what you call me.

Now let me explain why I'll never pay a sub for a game.
Reason 1: many subbed games have been aiming to get and keep people addicted. On itself it is not the company's fault nor responsability, they should consider not working with that goal from a moral point of view.
Reason 2: I don't have a stable income. sometimes my income is high (and my time to play is low or even non-existing). sometimes money is low and I got plenty of time to play. Now I want to play when I goti the time, not when I got the money. further. when I invest in the company I want to buy stuff that I can enjoy when I have time to play. All in all I'm paying more on games then the average monthly fee, but just not stable.

To me, those who are saying that an exclusive mount should not cost more then the 1500 crowns a subber gets per month is much more cheap then the person who actually buys the mount for the current price, but refuses to pay subs ever!

I mean this in a respectfull way. My tone is intended with the purpose of showing my agetation with your standing against people who don't sub. Those people are human too and we all support ESO in the way we feel is best.

Ow and to be honest, even if I had a stable income, I wouldn't take the sub. Just cause the offer is bad. The 10% boost is useless to me. The free DLC's is currently non-existing, and the amount of crowns given is lower then what you can buy directly in the store for that price.

Fifty cents a day is too much? Movie tickets cost more than that.
Things aren't given away by companies because they are nice and like you.
They have to make a profit, to pay employees, to continue to maintain the product and develop new products.
If you adhere to the leech model for the joys and perks in your life, then you're getting what you pay for.
Hell, I feel if someone doesn't sub, they should get 30 days of tech support then it's only for subscribers.
Why? Subbers pay ZOS' bills.

paying 50 cents for something your not using??

And I'm not the one leeching. I'm actually spending more on the game then people only paying a sub.I will actually be buying the DLC's. I do support ZoS, but not buy wasting 12 bucks on absolutly nothing.

They make good money on me and I'm fine with that. But not on a sub that gives zero advantage.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Cry_Wolfe · May 2015

well this degenerated :P

NovaMarx · May 2015

Ever since the game became B2P, ZOS have to get their money from somewhere. They can't survive on one-time-pay. I sub as well, but I am well aware that the few people who sub are not enough to keep an MMO like this afloat, especially with the constant demands for more more MORE -- be it content, bug fixes, vanity items, etc.

Of course they are going to release limited items with a price higher than what subs get monthly, it's a way to make us spend more than we already get from subbing, hence ZOS get more money.

As working and reasonable adults, we should be able to understand that ZOS have staff who need their monthly paychecks. They are not going to work on the game for free.

KanedaSyndrome · May 2015

A digital mount for the price of a whole new AAA title? <--- Everyday life in ESO.

Elsonso · May 2015

Cry_Wolfe wrote: »

well this degenerated :P

It is living up to the thread title...

idk · May 2015

Theosis wrote: »

i guess I didn't express myself completely and in a better choice of words to express my point.

Clearly some of you assume Im a greedy little child. I am well over 21, hold a full time job and take care of my wife and child.

That said..

I guess most of you all that use the forums disagree with my sentiment that they should think more about the people who still want to stay subbed. I put in the money every month to support the game I care to play.

They purposefully want me to spend more money than that every month. Naturally. They are a business.

However, they are showing though many routes that they don't really care about the game. With all the flaws and money grabbing techniques Those of us that are still subbed are getting snubbed repeatedly by these little things over and over.

Things like the crown price of the "new mount skin" are a fine example of their lack of finesse in dealing with us that still are subbed. They should at least make it the price of a monthly sub not more than.

There is absolutly nothing wrong with the new mount skin price. Additionally, they certainly spoke loud and clear about their thanks to those who have been subed from the beginning and stuck it out by giving us a sweet cat mount for free.

The crown store is priced very well and consistent with other games, as others have pointed out. Actually , less expensive that other games since costumes and mounts are account wide vs for use on only one character. But the reality is it is a choice to buy items or not and it is just skins.

The reality it is life and since the store seems to be doing well (based on feedback in forums and players in game). I seriously doubt they will make changes to the costs.

idk · May 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

I don't see the point in getting worked up over virtual gear. They need to make money to develop things. It is a business, and people will buy it.

I got a loyalty tiger mount, No need of another one.

Exactly!

EQBallzz · May 2015

Ranique wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Ranique wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I love how people can "get behind" support of the game if it's in the form of a 25 dollar mount purchase but if it's a 12.99 monthly sub it's "OMG OUTRAGEOUS HOW DARE ANYONE CHARGE THAT!? DOWN WITH ALL THE SUBS!11" The cost of that mount is basically two months of a normal sub..for a single mount. I will never understand why people prefer this type of piecemeal gouging and inequity over the equitable sub price where everyone gets everything for the same nominal amount.

I'm one of those cheap asses that never played with a sub. And yeah, I know you didnt say so, but in between the lines, that is what you call me.

Now let me explain why I'll never pay a sub for a game.
Reason 1: many subbed games have been aiming to get and keep people addicted. On itself it is not the company's fault nor responsability, they should consider not working with that goal from a moral point of view.
Reason 2: I don't have a stable income. sometimes my income is high (and my time to play is low or even non-existing). sometimes money is low and I got plenty of time to play. Now I want to play when I goti the time, not when I got the money. further. when I invest in the company I want to buy stuff that I can enjoy when I have time to play. All in all I'm paying more on games then the average monthly fee, but just not stable.

To me, those who are saying that an exclusive mount should not cost more then the 1500 crowns a subber gets per month is much more cheap then the person who actually buys the mount for the current price, but refuses to pay subs ever!

I mean this in a respectfull way. My tone is intended with the purpose of showing my agetation with your standing against people who don't sub. Those people are human too and we all support ESO in the way we feel is best.

Ow and to be honest, even if I had a stable income, I wouldn't take the sub. Just cause the offer is bad. The 10% boost is useless to me. The free DLC's is currently non-existing, and the amount of crowns given is lower then what you can buy directly in the store for that price.

Fifty cents a day is too much? Movie tickets cost more than that.
Things aren't given away by companies because they are nice and like you.
They have to make a profit, to pay employees, to continue to maintain the product and develop new products.
If you adhere to the leech model for the joys and perks in your life, then you're getting what you pay for.
Hell, I feel if someone doesn't sub, they should get 30 days of tech support then it's only for subscribers.
Why? Subbers pay ZOS' bills.

paying 50 cents for something your not using??

And I'm not the one leeching. I'm actually spending more on the game then people only paying a sub.I will actually be buying the DLC's. I do support ZoS, but not buy wasting 12 bucks on absolutly nothing.

They make good money on me and I'm fine with that. But not on a sub that gives zero advantage.

So let me get this straight...

If you pay 25 dollars for a single mount you are ok with that but if you pay 12 dollars and get EVERYTHING (including all mounts in the game which is what an actual sub would give you..not ESO+) that to you is "absolutely nothing"? Brilliant. If your beef is just with ESO+ I would agree that it's not worth it..but that's because ESO+ is not a true sub..it's a bogus B2P sham of a sub.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Sandmanninja · May 2015

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I can't help it if you can't understand a simple illustration of why the argument that you don't *need* a mount is silly. Try reading harder.

Why don't they make the graphics for armor cost 10 dollars per slot? You still get the stats of armor but if you don't want to look naked you have to pay 10 dollars for each slot to get the armor graphic. Armor graphics are not required to play the game so you can run around playing naked anywhere and do anything.

(squints)(tries to 'read harder')
I don't know if you play Skyrim with a mod that makes everyone naked or not (sounds like it, reading your example), but what you are trying to compare it to is just silly.
If you carry YOUR argument to the full extent, then players don't need ANYTHING.
Just plop us in a big, empty environment with no textures and be done with it.
That make sense to anyone?
Having a mount makes sense. It lets you cover more ground quickly. You can enjoy the game a great deal more.
Having multiple mounts no longer gives you any benefit. None. Nadda. Zip.
I could have 1 horse or 100 horses and there is no difference.
I am moving at the same rate, no matter the mount.

The Crown store is designed for items of convenience. Period. You don't have to have ANYTHING in that shop.
If you never visited the crown shop, your game would not be affected in any way that can be measured.

If you want to buy something from the crown shop, then go for it.

(re-reads the $10 post thing again)
Sorry. That still makes no sense.

It's really not that hard to understand. If you got the stats from armor but not the visuals it wouldn't impact your game play whatsoever. Much like the skins of the horse..the skins of the armor are just visuals. So while completely silly and ridiculous to suggest..it's much the same argument. It's just a skin that gives your character a certain look. ZOS needs to make money (is the argument) so if people want to wear different clothes/armor to stand out..they should pay for their armor slots like people pay for horse skins. Obviously nobody would like that very much..sort of like how some don't like to be gated off from collecting all the mounts (without paying through the nose).

Gated?? Learn to balance your crowns better.
And gated for..what? How does having only one mount, or having 100 mounts, affect your game?

Spectre45 · May 2015

I look at these kind of things and try to determine the value for me. I look at the price, what I get, and I compare it to what else I can spend the money on. In this case, I would be comparing it to other video game related items. It wouldn't be fair to compare this to a trip to the movies or feeding my tcg habit.

With $25 I could buy an entire new game (well, new for me), or maybe multiple. I could also buy the season pass to other games I really enjoy, such as The Evil Within, or The Witcher 3 (which is claiming to have 30 hours worth of extra content, from $25 alone!). I could also pay for close to two months of a subscription to either this or SWTOR.

When looking at it like that, $25 for a re skinned mount is a horrible deal. I can understand the appeal, but to me personally, it's awful. I could get so much more enjoyment for the same amount of money. Yes, I want a Senche mount. However, I do not think they are worth $25, and so I wont buy one, It's not that big of a deal.

Vorlon · May 2015

This is one of the reasons why I don't like it when games go free to play, I would rather get charged a monthly fee and not get nickel and dimed or in some cases hacked and gouged lol

$12-$15 a month really isn't bad if it means having good game devs and new content.
If you stayed home 1 night a month playing ESO instead of going to the bar, movies etc you made your money back lol