What should we expect from the next expansion pack after console?

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2015

I know it hasn't been discussed, but I hope we can expect something on the scale of what WOW did with The Burning Crusade. 5-6 whole new zones, 2, 24 raids, 1 12 man raid, 5 or so new dungeons, 2 new races with 2 new starting areas and of course all the things that came with that from flying mounts to new gear and new crafting items and a new PVP map (mode) with a domination theme.

I think that expansion ran around $20 USD, can we expect the same value from an expansion sold on the crown store? While I'm using WOW as an example of a typical expansion I don't wish to encourage a debate about the differences between the games, what I am more interested in is what value you expect for $20? Will one trial or Imperial City be grand enough to satisfy you? Would you expect more than that for $20?

cmetzger93 · May 2015

never played wow but if it was even half of what you just listed I would be ecstatic. I think they are going to release zones independently of each other and not group many together as an expansion pack (although it seems like a great idea)

For 20$ I would expect at least one new zone. Whether it be Wrothgar or Murkmire (both would be even better) but I think Imperial City should be free.

Egonieser · May 2015

I believe developing content for a 2013(14) game is far more expensive, time consuming and all around more difficult than for an archaic 2005 game. Their outdated visuals require less dev time and input, so they can focus more on actual content.

Bloodfang · May 2015

You do realize that 1 ESO Zone is about 3 WoW Zones?

Well to be more precise average ESO Zone is 2.54x bigger than average WoW Zone. Of course Craglorn is much bigger than average ESO Zone, so it should push the average very near to 3x. It's more impressive because Tamriel in it's state is much more detailed, and also graphically at least 4 years ahead (of WoD).

So keep that in mind when wishing for a BC-like expansion. 3 ESO Zones in 2 years would probably equal BC. Can ZOS put 2 more Zones in 1 year? I don't see why not.

But if you want a better comparison, compare Tamriel Unlimited / WoD after launch. Both are yet to deliver anything meaningful. To be honest I'd still rather choose nothing over Twitter and Selfie cam, that was quite a disgrace.

Haqikah · May 2015

The WoW the Burning Crusade expansion was at release in 2007 $40 for the standard edition and $70 for the Collectors Edition.

Nothing is known about the release schedule for the TESO-TU DLC's. I do not expect any DLC that big that it can be compared to a WoW expansion (content wise) will be released; I think ZoS pushes the DLC in smaller packages into the crown store. However this is not based on anything but my own expectations.

Concerning the prices ZoS will charge for the DLC's I have no clue at all; also because ZoS is awfully silent about the whole DLC planning.

cmetzger93 · May 2015

They have said on ESO live that developing 1 zone from start to finish takes about 4 months. Once console is out of the way I am hopeful ZOS will get back on track with dlc and make sure that players are not going to have to go through more dry spells of nothingness.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2015

All we know for sure is that any DLC for consoles will hit PC first.
Let's hope for some PC DLC around August Sept and then we may get a console suggested release soon after PC is released

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2015

What can we expect?

Disappointment

Divad Zarn · May 2015

What can we expect? Another empty words about FUTURE WoW KILLER GAME!!1 Which will be top 1 MMO of the world ofc. With 20k online.

Madness1 · May 2015

Well it's approximately £5 (£7.74, €7.04) for 1000 crowns, that should show you how much they're charging for cosmetic goods in ESO so actual DLC may be VERY expensive indeed. For an example the "Black Senche-Panther" costs RLC (Real Life Currency) about £12.50 ($19.34, €17.06). The Burning Crusade over here (UK) would have cost about £30 (we're usually 10 bucks under U.S prices) and today it would've been higher as that's not taking in to account for inflation; today it would have cost around the $50-60 (£40-50) mark.

Like the others have mentioned ESO Zones are much bigger and are more detailed, they also wear their influences on their sleeve; WOW use mostly their own fiction they created in the Warcraft series (including the RTS days). What I'd prefer to see is a zone with an arena, something similar to the one in Obliveon and allow us to work with and against other faction members with betting allowed on matches; maybe design this zone with the intention to add housing at a later date? I kind of liked how ArchAge did it for example.

As for the races, I HOPE they don't add any more, we have the ESO staples and it would be weird and lore breaking if they suddenly allowed us to play as Dwemmer for example as they have died off and the Fighters Guild dips their toe in that part of lore. Some appearance altering morphs could be pretty cool though likethe Skeleton one they already have.

For their expansion I'm really hoping for more guilds, and a guild join limiter to go with it. This would stop everyone and their characters getting every single guild skill line on every character (maybe lock it at 3?) this would help prevent characters that don't seem to fit into a guild joining it for the sake of more skills as now they're limited in the guild he/she can join at once. Guilds I'd like to see join-able are The Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, Morag Tong, and how about a New/Imperial Legion.

TDB and MT are two assassin guilds with a hate for each other (some players claim MT were not around in ESO but a few Tong members appear in ESO already in the EP storyline alone), the Thieves Guild and New/Imperial Legion are opposites end of the lore, one dedicated the thievery and the other dedicated to keeping people safe, corruption, and stopping crime.

At an earlier discussion I brought up the idea for a religion system to give players more customisation and allow a skill line with little to no story tied to it. You can find the topic HERE.

wraith808 · May 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

What can we expect?

Disappointment

Might be time for a different game?

Enodoc · May 2015

They've said they won't be doing large expansions, and I expect them to stick to that plan and continue with zone-sized content updates.

Imperial City should be free, for reasons I have said before, so discounting that, you have the following new content in the works:

Wrothgar/Orsinium
Thieves Guild/Abah's Landing
Dark Brotherhood/Spiral Skein

each of which I would expect to pay around 2500 Crowns for.

You also have the Murkmire Adventure Zone in development, and I'm not sure if that will be paid DLC or not because as an Adventure Zone it doesn't fit with their intended plan for how DLC works.

Finally, according to Twitter, Imperial City will be first with Wrothgar/Orsinium soon after.

traigusb14_ESO2 · May 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

They've said they won't be doing large expansions, and I expect them to stick to that plan and continue with zone-sized content updates.

Imperial City should be free, for reasons I have said before, so discounting that, you have the following new content in the works:
Wrothgar/Orsinium

Thieves Guild/Abah's Landing

Dark Brotherhood/Spiral Skein

each of which I would expect to pay around 2500 Crowns for.

You also have the Murkmire Adventure Zone in development, and I'm not sure if that will be paid DLC or not because as an Adventure Zone it doesn't fit with their intended plan for how DLC works.

Finally, according to Twitter, Imperial City will be first with Wrothgar/Orsinium soon after.

There is also 'Clockwork city" whatever that is. I've seen pics and some quick video before the stream show but never heard what it actually was.

PBpsy · May 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I know it hasn't been discussed, but I hope we can expect something on the scale of what WOW did with The Burning Crusade. 5-6 whole new zones, 2, 24 raids, 1 12 man raid, 5 or so new dungeons, 2 new races with 2 new starting areas and of course all the things that came with that from flying mounts to new gear and new crafting items and a new PVP map (mode) with a domination theme.

I think that expansion ran around $20 USD, can we expect the same value from an expansion sold on the crown store? While I'm using WOW as an example of a typical expansion I don't wish to encourage a debate about the differences between the games, what I am more interested in is what value you expect for $20? Will one trial or Imperial City be grand enough to satisfy you? Would you expect more than that for $20?

No we can't expect something even close.

RazzPitazz · May 2015

I don't see the zones by themselves running as high as $50. What I can see is a staggered release schedule where they drop Imp city, then wrothgar, then murkmire, then cLockwork for $25-$30 each; at which point they will then release a combo pack for about $80 and then release a collector edition of the game that comes with all of it (to grab new players) for about $150 with extra stuff that may or may not actually be cool. I'm expecting all of the announced content to take us to next Christmas before we get more afterwards.
Pure speculation though.

liamcatsmithb14_ESO · May 2015

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

They've said they won't be doing large expansions, and I expect them to stick to that plan and continue with zone-sized content updates.

Imperial City should be free, for reasons I have said before, so discounting that, you have the following new content in the works:
Wrothgar/Orsinium

Thieves Guild/Abah's Landing

Dark Brotherhood/Spiral Skein

each of which I would expect to pay around 2500 Crowns for.

You also have the Murkmire Adventure Zone in development, and I'm not sure if that will be paid DLC or not because as an Adventure Zone it doesn't fit with their intended plan for how DLC works.

Finally, according to Twitter, Imperial City will be first with Wrothgar/Orsinium soon after.

There is also 'Clockwork city" whatever that is. I've seen pics and some quick video before the stream show but never heard what it actually was.

Clockwork City is the home of Sotha Sil, one of the members of The Tribunal. You visit it briefly in one of the expansions for Morrowind.

MCMancub · May 2015

Divad Zarn wrote: »

What can we expect? Another empty words about FUTURE WoW KILLER GAME!!1 Which will be top 1 MMO of the world ofc. With 20k online.

A poll that appeared on the forums a while back showed less than 10% of people use Steam for ESO. Steamcharts.com show an average of about 3500 players during peak hours over the last 30 days. If we round Steam users to 10% (which, let's be honest, it's probably less than 5%), then we still have 35,000 players on during peak hours. Not great, but about 75% more than your cynical, sarcastic response. Attributing 5% to steam would mean closer to, or more than, 70,000 players during peak hours.

Darlgon · May 2015

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I don't see the zones by themselves running as high as $50. What I can see is a staggered release schedule where they drop Imp city, then wrothgar, then murkmire, then cLockwork for $25-$30 each; at which point they will then release a combo pack for about $80 and then release a collector edition of the game that comes with all of it (to grab new players) for about $150 with extra stuff that may or may not actually be cool. I'm expecting all of the announced content to take us to next Christmas before we get more afterwards.
Pure speculation though.

Pretty sure you just listed thier release schedule until late 2020.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · May 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I don't see the zones by themselves running as high as $50. What I can see is a staggered release schedule where they drop Imp city, then wrothgar, then murkmire, then cLockwork for $25-$30 each; at which point they will then release a combo pack for about $80 and then release a collector edition of the game that comes with all of it (to grab new players) for about $150 with extra stuff that may or may not actually be cool. I'm expecting all of the announced content to take us to next Christmas before we get more afterwards.
Pure speculation though.

Pretty sure you just listed thier release schedule until late 2020.

Well after they have milked as much cash as they can out of console, they will need port the game to mobile

Obviously the content expansions for PC will have to wait until the mobile release. But you will be able to feed your horse from your i-phone and upload your selfies to instagram and twitter!

Rosveen · May 2015

Solo PvE content cheaper than a senche panther. Anything else will be a disappointment. I can accept the Imperial City because I feel bad for PvPers getting nothing at all since launch.

Divad Zarn · May 2015

MCMancub wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

What can we expect? Another empty words about FUTURE WoW KILLER GAME!!1 Which will be top 1 MMO of the world ofc. With 20k online.

A poll that appeared on the forums a while back showed less than 10% of people use Steam for ESO. Steamcharts.com show an average of about 3500 players during peak hours over the last 30 days. If we round Steam users to 10% (which, let's be honest, it's probably less than 5%), then we still have 35,000 players on during peak hours. Not great, but about 75% more than your cynical, sarcastic response. Attributing 5% to steam would mean closer to, or more than, 70,000 players during peak hours.

Lets leave it on 35k then (EU/NA), even if so, did u ever play game which have 35k online at the same time? If u ever played WoW on official servers (which have ~100k on each realm), u know that its simply impossible to find on any location place without players, and thats when most of people doing dungeons/pvp. What do u see in ESO? the only place where u can meet someone on peak times is craglorn/cyrodill/stormhaven and few other places. Its not about sarcasm or something, i'm supporting this game since pre-order, its about so MANY players left and we still waiting for everyone "exciting" console release, its about ignorance. I will be not surprised if PC version of a game will be closed due inactivity if consoles will show good results for them, its just sad to see that game have such big potential and 99% of it going for commercial, besides of 50/50 at least for community and game itself.

Exstazik · May 2015

in real money:
1 DLC~30$
in crowns:
(X_months from 1.6.5 to the first DLC)*1500 crowns

Casdha · May 2015

cmetzger93 wrote: »

They have said on ESO live that developing 1 zone from start to finish takes about 4 months. Once console is out of the way I am hopeful ZOS will get back on track with dlc and make sure that players are not going to have to go through more dry spells of nothingness.

If this is true then that means the first two expansions, mentioned last year, have been shelved for 6 months or longer, finished and waiting till console sales need a boost after initial launch.

Veridiano02 · May 2015

Divad Zarn wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

What can we expect? Another empty words about FUTURE WoW KILLER GAME!!1 Which will be top 1 MMO of the world ofc. With 20k online.

A poll that appeared on the forums a while back showed less than 10% of people use Steam for ESO. Steamcharts.com show an average of about 3500 players during peak hours over the last 30 days. If we round Steam users to 10% (which, let's be honest, it's probably less than 5%), then we still have 35,000 players on during peak hours. Not great, but about 75% more than your cynical, sarcastic response. Attributing 5% to steam would mean closer to, or more than, 70,000 players during peak hours.

Lets leave it on 35k then (EU/NA), even if so, did u ever play game which have 35k online at the same time? If u ever played WoW on official servers (which have ~100k on each realm), u know that its simply impossible to find on any location place without players, and thats when most of people doing dungeons/pvp. What do u see in ESO? the only place where u can meet someone on peak times is craglorn/cyrodill/stormhaven and few other places. Its not about sarcasm or something, i'm supporting this game since pre-order, its about so MANY players left and we still waiting for everyone "exciting" console release, its about ignorance. I will be not surprised if PC version of a game will be closed due inactivity if consoles will show good results for them, its just sad to see that game have such big potential and 99% of it going for commercial, besides of 50/50 at least for community and game itself.

Do you really can take a walk in Draenor and find someone? Then tell me in what server you're playing. Me, and my friends, old players of WoW had departed because in our server there're was no one to be seen anywhere. Also, again, I don't know if you're playing in NA server, maybe it's different in EU servers but here, in TESO, there are a lot of people everywhere. It¡s hard to walk into dungeons without at least see some players, or even a group. In any zone, veteran, or not veteran.

So... I don't know. Maybe my eyes and yours are different. Maybe my playing time (and the people playing with me) it's not yours. But what you're saying... From my point of view... Its just a lie.

riverdragon72 · May 2015

Fixing the broke ass pvp would be a good place to start for an expansion.

Zhoyzu · May 2015

More bugs.

possibly a performance drop.

At least this is the current trend.

almost forgot, more crown store items you wont buy.

Divad Zarn · May 2015

Tricky15_66b16_ESO wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

What can we expect? Another empty words about FUTURE WoW KILLER GAME!!1 Which will be top 1 MMO of the world ofc. With 20k online.

A poll that appeared on the forums a while back showed less than 10% of people use Steam for ESO. Steamcharts.com show an average of about 3500 players during peak hours over the last 30 days. If we round Steam users to 10% (which, let's be honest, it's probably less than 5%), then we still have 35,000 players on during peak hours. Not great, but about 75% more than your cynical, sarcastic response. Attributing 5% to steam would mean closer to, or more than, 70,000 players during peak hours.

Lets leave it on 35k then (EU/NA), even if so, did u ever play game which have 35k online at the same time? If u ever played WoW on official servers (which have ~100k on each realm), u know that its simply impossible to find on any location place without players, and thats when most of people doing dungeons/pvp. What do u see in ESO? the only place where u can meet someone on peak times is craglorn/cyrodill/stormhaven and few other places. Its not about sarcasm or something, i'm supporting this game since pre-order, its about so MANY players left and we still waiting for everyone "exciting" console release, its about ignorance. I will be not surprised if PC version of a game will be closed due inactivity if consoles will show good results for them, its just sad to see that game have such big potential and 99% of it going for commercial, besides of 50/50 at least for community and game itself.

Do you really can take a walk in Draenor and find someone? Then tell me in what server you're playing. Me, and my friends, old players of WoW had departed because in our server there're was no one to be seen anywhere. Also, again, I don't know if you're playing in NA server, maybe it's different in EU servers but here, in TESO, there are a lot of people everywhere. It¡s hard to walk into dungeons without at least see some players, or even a group. In any zone, veteran, or not veteran.

So... I don't know. Maybe my eyes and yours are different. Maybe my playing time (and the people playing with me) it's not yours. But what you're saying... From my point of view... Its just a lie.

I mean about WoW when i was playing it (when there was much more people playing, and even now if u play on PvE or RP realms, nothing strange that they are empty), not now, when blizzard decided to go more commercial besides of community. Well i dont know what happening on NA, but on EU its much lower then it supposed to be, only 1-2 full/almost full PvP campaigns, empty pve locations, so many "left's from game" should tell about everything by itself.

Sausage · May 2015

There hasnt been even confirmation for expansion yet, we dont know if the whole team is working on game now or if its splitted into half, and another half is working on expansion. Nevertheless, around of 2.5 year is realistic to see first expansion, so maybe Christmas 2016.

I personally think they should go to pure free before first expansion, and then with expansion start to ask full price for game again, if they do it, they can get the money from f2p players too, milk the f2p market like 1.5 year. I know its cheeky, but hey, that how it goes, I think it could work if they made some super awesome expansion and try to get the game back on the track.

Enodoc · May 2015

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

They've said they won't be doing large expansions, and I expect them to stick to that plan and continue with zone-sized content updates.

Imperial City should be free, for reasons I have said before, so discounting that, you have the following new content in the works:
Wrothgar/Orsinium

Thieves Guild/Abah's Landing

Dark Brotherhood/Spiral Skein

each of which I would expect to pay around 2500 Crowns for.

You also have the Murkmire Adventure Zone in development, and I'm not sure if that will be paid DLC or not because as an Adventure Zone it doesn't fit with their intended plan for how DLC works.

Finally, according to Twitter, Imperial City will be first with Wrothgar/Orsinium soon after.

There is also 'Clockwork city" whatever that is. I've seen pics and some quick video before the stream show but never heard what it actually was.

Aye true, I skipped over that one because aside from knowing what Clockwork City is in Lore, we know nothing about what it's content will be. There's at least some info on the content of the others aside from just name.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · May 2015

Expect nothing. Then at least you have a chanche of being pleasantly surprised. Unless they manage to give us less than nothing, like adding more bugs and officially giving up on Cyrodiil, but let's remain positive.

leshpar · May 2015

Are you INSANE OP? As a veteran WoW player myself, I can promise you The Burning Crusade cost $60 at launch. They reduced the price over time, but in 2007 when it was new it cost $60, NOT $20!

Also... never add flying please. Flying really detracted from what wow had.

Also, I don't think lore supports more playable races, though if they could come up with some I'd be all for it.

For $20 I'd expect one new zone for each faction (3 total) plus maybe one new zone similar to craglorn. I'd also expect one new 4 man dungeon in each of said new zone (3 to 4 total) and possibly 1 or 2 new 12 man trials.

I do not expect a level cap raise.