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Medium armor hood ?
Julianos
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Well i wonder why there is no any craftable hood medium head gear in this game ? With veil or without especially for breton style ? I know there are hoods in light armor but dont you think it would be awsome for full medium armor wearers who enjoy the stealth play ? For example take "covenent scout" costume its breton style and it has a leather hood. Do you think ZOS should gives us craftable medium weight hood ?
Edited by Julianos on May 26, 2015 12:22AM Medium armor hood ? 91 votes
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MCMancub✭✭✭✭NoWhy would a hood be made from leather?
EDIT: Apparently I have to edit this post because people are incapable of reading, like, 5 more posts to see the point I was making.
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.Edited by MCMancub on May 26, 2015 1:10AM3 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭No
Because it doesn't make any sense, practically speaking. As armor tiers increase, the armor they provide increases. It makes sense then that visually they agree with this concept. At least that's my opinion.Edited by MCMancub on May 26, 2015 12:34AM1 -
Ley✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesWhy would a hood be made from leather?
Leather hoodies do exist in real life and aren't even that uncommon, why would they not exist in Tamriel?
Seems like a leather hood would be slightly harder to penetrate than a cloth hood.Leylith - MagSorc | Leyloth - StamPlar | Leynerd - MagPlar | Leylit - StamBlade | Ley Eviticus - StamDK | Leydor - MagDen | Leylum - StamSorc | Leylux - MagBlade5 -
Nyghthowler✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesA. Because you can craft a hood out of leather IRL
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B. Since ZoS F'ed everyone over by making a full suit count as 7 items as opposed to the previous 5, thus making it harder to make your character look as you like it makes sense. Also, they caved in to the cloth wearers and created Tunics so people wouldn't have to wear dresses, so...I'm not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally !5 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭No
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.Edited by MCMancub on May 26, 2015 12:59AM0 -
Mortelus✭✭✭Yes
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.
SO your logic is that a leather hood should give only a little extra protection over it's cloth variant. Ok cool, so if a come charging at you with my mighty 2h sword in full swing and you try to block me with your wooden staff, should you then proceed to die instantly as surely my massive metal sword would have no trouble In smashing your stick to smithereens.
Lets play on this logic shall we...
You wear cloth armour, why should you have any armour rating at all then, shouldn't it be zero? I mean I am pretty sure if I went in to battle with the Duke of Wellington wearing only my Levis and my stylish V-neck t-shirt I don't think I'd fair too well when I got clattered by a mace or something. In fact, as well made as my Levis are, I don't think they'd offer me any protection against even a sharpened pencil.
It a game and for gaming purposes you have to break the rules of reality a little.
If it really bothers you that much, then make a new crafting line. Nano-leather... You can create super new advanced nano-enhanced leather armour. This armour can you keep perfectly dry in harshest of storms, it can keep you warm during the coldest nights, but cool in the hottest days, it can even repair itself for free, plus it has more protection than your average dish cloth hat, 50% extra to be exact...Who has time? But if we never take time how can we ever have time?2 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭No
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.
SO your logic is that a leather hood should give only a little extra protection over it's cloth variant. Ok cool, so if a come charging at you with my mighty 2h sword in full swing and you try to block me with your wooden staff, should you then proceed to die instantly as surely my massive metal sword would have no trouble In smashing your stick to smithereens.
No. Nowhere, in any of my posts, did I even hint that this is what I think should be the case. "My logic" is that, since the game developers have decided that leather armor gives 50% more armor than cloth armor, the visual aspect of this armor should reflect that. Leather hoods, as I said above, only reflect an almost insignificant increase in defense. This doesn't match what is actually happening with the numbers when you move from light armor to medium armor. How is this hard to understand?Edited by MCMancub on May 26, 2015 1:51AM0 -
Julianos✭✭✭✭✭Yes
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.
SO your logic is that a leather hood should give only a little extra protection over it's cloth variant. Ok cool, so if a come charging at you with my mighty 2h sword in full swing and you try to block me with your wooden staff, should you then proceed to die instantly as surely my massive metal sword would have no trouble In smashing your stick to smithereens.
Lets play on this logic shall we...
You wear cloth armour, why should you have any armour rating at all then, shouldn't it be zero? I mean I am pretty sure if I went in to battle with the Duke of Wellington wearing only my Levis and my stylish V-neck t-shirt I don't think I'd fair too well when I got clattered by a mace or something. In fact, as well made as my Levis are, I don't think they'd offer me any protection against even a sharpened pencil.
It a game and for gaming purposes you have to break the rules of reality a little.
If it really bothers you that much, then make a new crafting line. Nano-leather... You can create super new advanced nano-enhanced leather armour. This armour can you keep perfectly dry in harshest of storms, it can keep you warm during the coldest nights, but cool in the hottest days, it can even repair itself for free, plus it has more protection than your average dish cloth hat, 50% extra to be exact...
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leshpar✭✭✭YesI am currently running 5 medium and 2 light armor to take advantage of a few things. I am actually strongly considering making my helm one of the light pieces just so I can have a hood. So I fully agree there should be a hood for medium armor.0
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Mortelus✭✭✭Yes
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.
SO your logic is that a leather hood should give only a little extra protection over it's cloth variant. Ok cool, so if a come charging at you with my mighty 2h sword in full swing and you try to block me with your wooden staff, should you then proceed to die instantly as surely my massive metal sword would have no trouble In smashing your stick to smithereens.
No. Nowhere, in any of my posts, did I even hint that this is what I think should be the case. "My logic" is that, since the game developers have decided that leather armor gives 50% more armor than cloth armor, the visual aspect of this armor should reflect that. Leather hoods, as I said above, only reflect an almost insignificant increase in defense. This doesn't match what is actually happening with the numbers when you move from light armor to medium armor. How is this hard to understand?
Regardless of aesthetic looks, your argument if flawed from eh beginning. Why would a wool hat offer me any kind of protection at all? If we assume a wool hat has zero armour, like it should in real life, then no matter what the armour of a leather hat is, I'd be infinitely more protective than a wool hat.
I mean come on, have you seen a real life woolen hat? Even a gnat can find a way in through it's threads. They literary do not offer any protection against anything, not wind, not rain, not fleas, and especially medieval based weapons.
Also being made of cloth light armour should also have a -100% protection again fire damage, Have you seen how easily this stuff burns.
Seriously I do get your point though, but given the fact that cloth offers protection of any kind, I cannot take the argument seriously.
Change cloth to zero armour, then I could be in agreement that a leather hood would also not offer much resistant to a large blow to the head.Who has time? But if we never take time how can we ever have time?0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoSee no reason for such.
Was also always under the impression that the Covenant Scout costume simply uses a low-level Light hat piece."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI would also like a glass hood when glass armor gets added to the game.0 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭No
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.
SO your logic is that a leather hood should give only a little extra protection over it's cloth variant. Ok cool, so if a come charging at you with my mighty 2h sword in full swing and you try to block me with your wooden staff, should you then proceed to die instantly as surely my massive metal sword would have no trouble In smashing your stick to smithereens.
No. Nowhere, in any of my posts, did I even hint that this is what I think should be the case. "My logic" is that, since the game developers have decided that leather armor gives 50% more armor than cloth armor, the visual aspect of this armor should reflect that. Leather hoods, as I said above, only reflect an almost insignificant increase in defense. This doesn't match what is actually happening with the numbers when you move from light armor to medium armor. How is this hard to understand?
Regardless of aesthetic looks, your argument if flawed from eh beginning. Why would a wool hat offer me any kind of protection at all? If we assume a wool hat has zero armour, like it should in real life, then no matter what the armour of a leather hat is, I'd be infinitely more protective than a wool hat.
We aren't doing this. You are. I'm certainly not. A wool hood would not provide much "armor" (the term we are actually using here is protection), hence it having a low amount of "armor" in the game, but it would provide some. Which is exactly why it exists in real life. It provides protection from the elements, as well as other other menial offences that a low "armor" item would provide. You don't actually think that having a wool hood is the same as not wearing anything do you? Because that's what you're arguing.
Also being made of cloth light armour should also have a -100% protection again fire damage, Have you seen how easily this stuff burns.
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.
SO your logic is that a leather hood should give only a little extra protection over it's cloth variant. Ok cool, so if a come charging at you with my mighty 2h sword in full swing and you try to block me with your wooden staff, should you then proceed to die instantly as surely my massive metal sword would have no trouble In smashing your stick to smithereens.
No. Nowhere, in any of my posts, did I even hint that this is what I think should be the case. "My logic" is that, since the game developers have decided that leather armor gives 50% more armor than cloth armor, the visual aspect of this armor should reflect that. Leather hoods, as I said above, only reflect an almost insignificant increase in defense. This doesn't match what is actually happening with the numbers when you move from light armor to medium armor. How is this hard to understand?
Except that this is also incorrect. Ever put out a fire by smothering it (judging by your analogy I would guess no)? Sure, it's not very resistant (again, see very little armor stat), but it is not "-100% protection against fire damage".Edited by MCMancub on May 26, 2015 4:04AM0 -
Dagoth_Rac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nyghthowler wrote: »B. Since ZoS F'ed everyone over by making a full suit count as 7 items as opposed to the previous 5, thus making it harder to make your character look as you like it makes sense.
Huh? What do you need 7 pieces for? I have never heard of a skill or passive that needs 7 pieces. Everyone I know uses 5/1/1 for the Undaunted passives and I have never heard of that causing any problems because they are not wearing 7/0/0.
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Cry_Wolfe✭✭✭Yes1. Full Set bonus applies to having a SET of the same armor type, ie: getting a 5 piece bonus from a set that is all of the same armor type.
2. arguing that a leather hood should provide less mitigation over a leather helm is not a good way to go. If you want to make arguments over the mitigation capabilities of different Materials, then ferrous based armor should have no mitigation against electrical attacks and woolen armor extra defence against flame attacks, Bone based armors should provide less defence against smashing attacks and all light armor in general should have no physical mitigation whatsoever.... this is Not That Game.0 -
Vizier✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI prefer the style of a hood but it doesn't balance against the defense provided by a helmet. If the armor value is going to be anything comparable to a medium helmet I have to vote NO.
If I want the style a hood provides then wear a craftable light hood. Afterall it's a hood so it's place as light armor is appropriate.3 -
Mortelus✭✭✭Yes
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.
SO your logic is that a leather hood should give only a little extra protection over it's cloth variant. Ok cool, so if a come charging at you with my mighty 2h sword in full swing and you try to block me with your wooden staff, should you then proceed to die instantly as surely my massive metal sword would have no trouble In smashing your stick to smithereens.
No. Nowhere, in any of my posts, did I even hint that this is what I think should be the case. "My logic" is that, since the game developers have decided that leather armor gives 50% more armor than cloth armor, the visual aspect of this armor should reflect that. Leather hoods, as I said above, only reflect an almost insignificant increase in defense. This doesn't match what is actually happening with the numbers when you move from light armor to medium armor. How is this hard to understand?
Regardless of aesthetic looks, your argument if flawed from eh beginning. Why would a wool hat offer me any kind of protection at all? If we assume a wool hat has zero armour, like it should in real life, then no matter what the armour of a leather hat is, I'd be infinitely more protective than a wool hat.
We aren't doing this. You are. I'm certainly not. A wool hood would not provide much "armor" (the term we are actually using here is protection), hence it having a low amount of "armor" in the game, but it would provide some. Which is exactly why it exists in real life. It provides protection from the elements, as well as other other menial offences that a low "armor" item would provide. You don't actually think that having a wool hood is the same as not wearing anything do you? Because that's what you're arguing.
Also being made of cloth light armour should also have a -100% protection again fire damage, Have you seen how easily this stuff burns.
The armor differences displayed on the actual armor items in the game are much larger than the actual defense differences between a wool hood and a leather hood in real life. That's why they shouldn't exist. I mean, if you really want a leather hood, then it should only grant, like, 1 or 2 additional defense, not the 50% increase it currently provides.
Source: Compare any level light armor hat with the same level medium armor helmet to see that medium armor provides 50% more armor.
SO your logic is that a leather hood should give only a little extra protection over it's cloth variant. Ok cool, so if a come charging at you with my mighty 2h sword in full swing and you try to block me with your wooden staff, should you then proceed to die instantly as surely my massive metal sword would have no trouble In smashing your stick to smithereens.
No. Nowhere, in any of my posts, did I even hint that this is what I think should be the case. "My logic" is that, since the game developers have decided that leather armor gives 50% more armor than cloth armor, the visual aspect of this armor should reflect that. Leather hoods, as I said above, only reflect an almost insignificant increase in defense. This doesn't match what is actually happening with the numbers when you move from light armor to medium armor. How is this hard to understand?
Except that this is also incorrect. Ever put out a fire by smothering it (judging by your analogy I would guess no)? Sure, it's not very resistant (again, see very little armor stat), but it is not "-100% protection against fire damage".
Armour is not the same as saying my wool hat keeps my head warm in the cold. My rain coat doesn't have high armour because it keeps me dry. MY Steel Plated Hauberk has high armour because arrows can bounce of off it and it is difficult to piece, thus offering me high protection. Even a leather jerkin offers slight protection, especially if it has been heavily padded.
Yes I agree that wool hats even cloth hats protects against the elements, well I say element I mean coldness, in real life. But this isn't what armour is, go Google armour and see how many cloth hats you find.
The is the point I am making is you originally argued that we cannot have leather hoods because aesthetically they look the same as their woolen counterparts, and seeing as medium armour has 50% armour increase over cloth it wouldn't not make sense because in real life leather armour doesn't have a 50% increase in armour over wool. My argument is that if we are talking about real life then how can cloth offer any armour protection at all?
I'm not arguing how much more armour a leather hood has over a woolen hat in real life. But it is considerably more, especially padded armour.
You point about putting out fire with cloth is moot. Firstly it's safer to use a wet cloth and secondly, your smothering the fire thus cutting off it's oxygen. It's not quite the same thing has putting a naked flame onto a person wearing woolen clothes.
Anyway, the whole point is, you cannot bring in real life scenarios for one thing but not another. It either can bend or break the rules or it cannot, and this game does break the rules, heavily.
So for your argument to stand valid, we first need to address the issue of cloth armour giving armour resistance, seeing as that won't happen then why can we not have leather hoods?
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Psychobunni✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesYes, because....google "leather hood armor" and look at images
*sorry I tried to add link and it acted stupidEdited by Psychobunni on May 26, 2015 7:27AMIf options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!0 -
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesOMG look its a leather hood..
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Sotha_Sil✭✭✭✭✭
✭it's coming with the Dark Brotherhood -> Soon TM guys !Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!1 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI expect these styles will come soon enough - just check out the concept art for the thieves guild and dark brotherhood armor styles that had been floating around for several months...
As for the "leather hoods shouldn't get medium armor protection", well, that is true enough.
If It Was Just A Hood!
I am wagering some crafty rouge might have found out the sectret of wearing a leather helmet under a hood though... resulting in just the style a great many would be mischief makers and ne'erdowells are hoping for to give their character that special shifty look...
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