I Want An Argonian!

Mashille · May 2015

I Really, Desperately want to make an Argonian Nightblade but I can't because ALL racials are imbalanced and broken and have been since the removal of Softcaps in 1.6. Please do SOMETHING about racial passives. And don't just give everyone a race change because there are pretty much only FOUR races people are gonna choose or change to. (I do still want race changes though) Please BALANCE the racial changes and make them less meaningful for characters.

TheShadowScout · May 2015

Fu... uhm... forget about the darn passives. If you want to have fun playing an argonian nightblade, bloody well roll yourself one! Don't sweat those last few little percentage points you may perhaps be behind the bosmer, redguard or khajiit nightblades, just stock up on potions to make the most of the boni you do have and play away.

Not like argonian dragonknights are that much better, and I have one of those among my alts...

Gandrhulf_Harbard · May 2015

keybaud wrote: »

I Really, Desperately want to make an Argonian Nightblade but I can't

You can, but you choose not to because it doesn't suit a mini-max style of play.

My main is a Nord Templar, Magicka build, using a mix of light and heavy armour and a Staff - that is what I wanted to play, I didn't even for a second look at racial passive until long after character creation because I don't care about mini-max builds; I care about playing what I want to play.

All The Best

Daemons_Bane · May 2015

You can do it if that is what you want to do

Gyudan · May 2015

I like my argonian nightblade. Maybe L2P before whining about racial passives that you haven't even tried.

glak · May 2015

Argonian master race? Some nice synergy there with NB and poitions CP.

Selique · May 2015

Argonians make great Nightblades. My main is one

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Mashille · May 2015

Thank you for the feedback but the main point is that if i Want to be a stamina DPS Argonian Nightblade I will NEVER be as powerful as an imperial, dark elf, redguard or wood elf. And that really annoys me.

jarrandub17_ESO · May 2015

So you want to create any combination at any time in any place and be like everyone. BORING!

Shadow-Fighter · May 2015

Zos, to stop whinings remove all racial passives or combine different racials to one ...
And pls do not add racials ultimates while some racials could be OP.

Thank you

glak · May 2015

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

Zos, to stop whinings remove all racial passives or combine different racials to one ...
And pls do not add racials ultimates while some racials could be OP.

Thank you

Agreed on the racial ultimates, that was in early beta and proved to be too imbalanced.

Rosveen · May 2015

The only solution to your problem is removing racial passives and making races purely cosmetic. It's balance, true... but is it the kind of balance we want?

newtinmpls · May 2015

keybaud wrote: »

Thank you for the feedback but the main point is that if i Want to be a stamina DPS Argonian Nightblade I will NEVER be as powerful as an imperial, dark elf, redguard or wood elf. And that really annoys me.

Don't lose sight of the difference between "on paper" and in-game.

My spouse and I started Argonian NB's at the same time (both new to the race and new to the class). At first we even picked the same abilities, because we wanted to explore skills together.

However rather rapidly it became obvious that combinations of NB abilities that seemed intuitive and natual and just "flowed" for me, were clunky and unworkable for him. It wasn't a keybinding problem or a computer problem or a lag problem. It was something about the way we each understood the character or the class or the synergy of what abilities meshed "logically".

We each swore up and down that our chosen "combo" worked almost effortlessly - but his for him, mine for me and we just couldn't make the other person's work out.

So yes, there may be some fantastical min/maxer combo that works for some classes for some people.

But if you take the time to explore your character and your class and your combos - you will find your own "perfect" build and it will flow for you. I'd encourage you to take the time to do that.

Junkogen · May 2015

They just need to give a meaningful resource boost to all races and most complaints would stop.

In regard to Argonian NB, they used to have a nice potion synergy but ZOS eliminated it for no good reason. It wasn't overpowered and was still pretty limiting compared to other racials. It must be that swim speed that keeps them from buffing the racials. The developers must think it's akin to godhood. I've been mystified from the start how they balance these things. Especially with soft caps removed, the imbalance became much more of an issue. On the other hand, it's a good way to sell Imperial editions.

newtinmpls · May 2015

I'd like to see softcaps back, myself.

Mashille · May 2015

I do not want racial passives removed, I would just like them to be less impactful on character role. For example not having wood elves get 21% combat stamina regen AND 3% max stamina AND a sneaking bonus, making them perfect stamina based DPS. I would like the racial passives to be more like the 'Two-Handed Expertise' and 'X Resistance' rather the having a race be perfect for magicka DPS and another perfect stamina DPS.

Selique · May 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Thank you for the feedback but the main point is that if i Want to be a stamina DPS Argonian Nightblade I will NEVER be as powerful as an imperial, dark elf, redguard or wood elf. And that really annoys me.

Don't lose sight of the difference between "on paper" and in-game.

My spouse and I started Argonian NB's at the same time (both new to the race and new to the class). At first we even picked the same abilities, because we wanted to explore skills together.

However rather rapidly it became obvious that combinations of NB abilities that seemed intuitive and natual and just "flowed" for me, were clunky and unworkable for him. It wasn't a keybinding problem or a computer problem or a lag problem. It was something about the way we each understood the character or the class or the synergy of what abilities meshed "logically".

We each swore up and down that our chosen "combo" worked almost effortlessly - but his for him, mine for me and we just couldn't make the other person's work out.

So yes, there may be some fantastical min/maxer combo that works for some classes for some people.

But if you take the time to explore your character and your class and your combos - you will find your own "perfect" build and it will flow for you. I'd encourage you to take the time to do that.

The bold statement is really the best thing about ESO. Unless you are a number obsessed mathematician, who cannot sleep at night knowing that somewhere out there a character combo has .1% more something than you.. You CAN compete and be useful and ENJOY all aspect of ESO no matter the combo.

Its all in how YOU like to play. Ignore the numbers. They all work out in the end anyway.

Lenikus · May 2015

I have 8 characters.
All Khajiit.

There's 4 nightblades (2dps one healer and one tank), 2 templars, a sorc and a DK.
I couldn't give a *** about how ratials help or hinder whatever build i stuff into them.
I couldn't be happier.

An ignorant player is a blissful player.
lol. Just *** those passives, on my main I didn't have a point in that racial tab well into vr 4, as I had zero skillpoints spare XD

Knaxia · May 2015

I play this game with races I like, I don't give a damn about passives. Of course they could help but I only play Argonians or Khajiits. My Nightblade and my Dragonknight are Argonians, my templar is Khajiit, most of their passive are totally useless for those classes but do I care? nope, I still enjoy and kick butts with them.

Don't play a race/class combo "just because it's better", play what you want and put aside the rest or you won't enjoy playing a game.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · May 2015

Yea you really missed the Argonian NB heyday prior to 1.6. I had been planning my Argonian NB build for months before the game came out while playing the betas, only to have its power and unique synergies dashed to bits with all the changes update 1.6 brought. Such a shame.

That said, my Argonian NB is still my main and still kicks ass in PvP and PvE. So just roll one and be happy.

UrQuan · May 2015

I've got an Argonian NB - she's my highest level EP character. For most of the past year I've felt like she was by far my weakest character. She had trouble with groups of 3 or more mobs at once, and with bosses.

I had her using a bow as her primary and sword & board as secondary. My idea was that she would be stealthy and attack with the bow from a distance, switching to sword & board to help keep her alive when whatever she didn't shoot to death got into melee with her. It worked poorly.

Eventually I stopped being stubborn and I swapped out the sword & board for a resto staff, hoping that some more heals and magicka regen would help her to survive better. It did work better than the sword & board for sure, but she still felt like my weakest character (probably because as a stamina build the resto staff wasn't exactly optimal anyway).

I swapped out the resto staff for a two-hander. Now she wrecks face. She opens with her bow from stealth, then when enemies start to close she charges in with her two-hander. She now cuts through enemies at-level better than almost all of my other characters.

I guess my point is that it was never her race that was holding her back from being effective - it was her build and the way I was playing her.

Lenikus wrote: »

I have 8 characters.
All Khajiit.

So, um, I take it you kind of like Khajiits?

Malnutrition · May 2015

keybaud wrote: »

I do not want racial passives removed, I would just like them to be less impactful on character role. For example not having wood elves get 21% combat stamina regen AND 3% max stamina AND a sneaking bonus, making them perfect stamina based DPS. I would like the racial passives to be more like the 'Two-Handed Expertise' and 'X Resistance' rather the having a race be perfect for magicka DPS and another perfect stamina DPS.

I'd prefer that Argonians were tweaked upward a bit and not for all racials to be made junk, especially at this stage in the game.

Mashille · May 2015

@UrQuan Yes your build may have improved and made your character feel much stronger but you'd still be way stronger if you were an imperial or wood elf.

Julianos · May 2015

Yes ZOS if you think racials are necassity for lore or logic then make them so small like %1 not %21 damn.

Malnutrition · May 2015

Axorn wrote: »

Yes ZOS if you think racials are necassity for lore or logic then make them so small like %1 not %21 damn.

Then what would the point of even having racials be? There wouldn't be one.

Moonshadow66 · May 2015

Lenikus wrote: »

I have 8 characters.
All Khajiit.

There's 4 nightblades (2dps one healer and one tank), 2 templars, a sorc and a DK.
I couldn't give a *** about how ratials help or hinder whatever build i stuff into them.
I couldn't be happier.

An ignorant player is a blissful player.
lol. Just *** those passives, on my main I didn't have a point in that racial tab well into vr 4, as I had zero skillpoints spare XD

Hehe, I have 8 characters, all Bretons^^

3 Sorcs, 2 Templars, 2 Nightblades, and 1 DK. Until last week, all were magicka builds using light armor and sticks. Worked fine. Then I changed the build of one Nightblade to stamina, medium armor and two-hander (sword and board on the other bar), works fine as well.

I don't care that much for the passives, really, you can play whatever race you want with any build, I'd say. Maybe it's not the maximum damage or heal you can provide, but it's still enough to survive and, almost even more important: it's fun!

Julianos · May 2015

My favorite race is argonian but never played with them cos of useless racials and for me racials got first priorty over races
i would created argonian instead of bosmer they got blody %21 stam regen when you combine with %15 ww passive and %30 NB passive +champion star that %21 boosts stam regen soooo high how come people dont see that.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · May 2015

I made a nord sorc, gonna giv him a hammer, prob some heavy armour and use lightning, becuz I can huhhuh

Bouvin · May 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Fu... uhm... forget about the darn passives. If you want to have fun playing an argonian nightblade, bloody well roll yourself one! Don't sweat those last few little percentage points you may perhaps be behind the bosmer, redguard or khajiit nightblades, just stock up on potions to make the most of the boni you do have and play away.

Not like argonian dragonknights are that much better, and I have one of those among my alts...

And if you PvP then you can be underpowered.

Acrolas · May 2015

I'd get rid of the Quick to Mend passive and make one where potion cooldown is reduced by 25%, 40%, and 60% as per rank.
That would complement the Amphibious spell and offer the flexibility to do stamina or magicka Argonian builds.

Because, really, if you take a heal for 1200, that QTM 6% bonus only puts you at 1272. Hardly worth sinking 3 skill points into it unless you're just bad at math.

Whereas if you can pop a pot every 12 seconds, get X restored plus an additional 6% on your max, that's much more competitive. You won't win against a one-shot wizard but you have a better chance to walk away from a longer fight.

newtinmpls · May 2015

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

I made a nord sorc, gonna giv him a hammer, prob some heavy armour and use lightning, becuz I can huhhuh

Sounds like my Orc/Tank/Battlemage; Heavy armor, then bound armaments on top of it, add evil hunter from fighters guild, uses sword & board to charge in and then swaps out to 2-handed to wrecking blow (single targets) or cleave (mobs). Add twilight matriarch if the target is taunt-resistant ('cause she can *** off any dam ... darn boss) or hardened ward if needed (granted not as high as if he were mackicka focused, but still pretty decent) or even that lightning cloak/form (can't recall the name for the life of me right now) and things go pretty well.