Microsoft won't allow it, blame them not Zenimax. Sony already has a few cross platform games (FFXIV & Warthunder) , I can't remember the exact wording, but xbox have a policy that won't allow cross platform gaming with other consoles.

I don't like how the main reason is the control scheme.

Whoever told you that was a liar.
The reason there is no cross platform between XB1 and PC or between XB1 and PS4 is because Microsoft will not allow it from third parties (the upcoming cross-platform Fable Legends is first party). ZoS just figured since XB1 will be forced to be separated, they'd make the PS4 separated too in sake of fairness for new console players.

Side note - The PC version is getting full console UI and controller support "After console release". That is not even remotely a reason for separated servers, much less the "main reason".
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This is really unfair. I've been thinking the past few minutes after posting, and I'm starting to think that MMOs (virtual worlds and maybe even console lobbies) should enter the political world. I am not sure which countries everyone is from, I'm Canadian, but to be separated because of corporate rivalry is kind of infringing on our rights. We should start standing up for this stuff.

SoonerMagicEE wrote: »

While it may suck, it doesn't infringe on any rights.

Most of the laws have been formed in favour of the companies who started the genre (Blizzard, Microsoft, Zenimax, etc), to protect their business practices. Players have never taken these issues to court (from my knowledge). Not to mention, there are not many research projects done on this issue, either.

Give it some thought. Should we have the right to play with our friends? Should Microsoft have that decision?

Firellight wrote: »

Give it some thought. Should we have the right to play with our friends? Should Microsoft have that decision?

Yes, Microsoft gets to make that decision.

Firellight wrote: »

This is really unfair. I've been thinking the past few minutes after posting, and I'm starting to think that MMOs (virtual worlds and maybe even console lobbies) should enter the political world. I am not sure which countries everyone is from, I'm Canadian, but to be separated because of corporate rivalry is kind of infringing on our rights. We should start standing up for this stuff.

I'm Canadian too, and no it isn't infringing on our rights in any way shape or form. Do I disagree with it and think that Microsoft should allow us all to be on the same servers if ZOS agrees? Yup. That doesn't mean that it has anything at all to do with our rights.

UrQuan wrote: »

Firellight wrote: »

This is really unfair. I've been thinking the past few minutes after posting, and I'm starting to think that MMOs (virtual worlds and maybe even console lobbies) should enter the political world. I am not sure which countries everyone is from, I'm Canadian, but to be separated because of corporate rivalry is kind of infringing on our rights. We should start standing up for this stuff.

I'm Canadian too, and no it isn't infringing on our rights in any way shape or form. Do I disagree with it and think that Microsoft should allow us all to be on the same servers if ZOS agrees? Yup. That doesn't mean that it has anything at all to do with our rights.

Well, the rights that I am talking about do not exist. I am suggesting that we are missing out on rights that we are supposed to have, from an ethical point of view.

With the current state of the game, the PC server software with all the anti-cheat countermeasures that were tucked on as an afterthought is now dramatically different from the console servers, so it's a moot point. The only cross platform play that would be technically possible at this point is between PS4 and XB1 players, but as mentioned above, Microsoft won't let that happen.

You think everything is so easy and obvious that Zenimax must be stupid not to do them. Bro, it isn't Zenimax not doing their homework, it is you. Zenimax would love, love, love, to have their game cross platform, but console companies don't play that way.

Go over to the Microsoft and Sony forums and complain directly to the parties responsible.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Folks it's not due to Microsoft.
Don't blame ZOS and don't blame Sony

The console networks do not work together.
You can look at Xbox Live which existed years before PSN and on the prior consoles there was a Final Fantasy MMO where all three played together.

Now that each console provides social specific interactions....the games will need to utilize those in addition to the developer options of each game.

Bottom line, the reason we are not on the same servers is more related to oversights by ZOS of the requirements of BOtH PSN and XBl

I wouldn't point fingers....check out E3

Everything is possible if there is willpower and money to be made.

This day and age there are no tecnical limitations anymore, just a simple and yet painful fact - rivals won't mingle together.

Latest generation of consoles are all x86 (basically custom OS PC's) so there is little to no actual hardware restrictions or limits, everything is software and they know that, most people know that. Social interactions can be tweaked and adjusted, networks can be joined if they wanted to so. Other companies do such things on a daily basis and some others make money doing that as a service for others.

PS would do crossplatform with PC. XBox would crossplatform with PC (heck they own windows so it's even double the market for them), but if XBox+PS = no way. Probably more out of principle than anything else, because hell, who would want excellent crossplatform games that would show all 3 platforms on a very positive light, bring people together and heck - would even encourage people to try out each others platforms therefore even making extra cash, but hell no - PS stole my sweetroll and i will be sour and isolated - no multiplats for you!

Makes me think though, i should buy an Xbox, hack it, flash it with custom BIOS removing the straightjacket, install linux on it and run ESO via Wine, should technically run if set with OpenGL - I would be the first XBox player who plays a multiplatform ESO
Might actually give that a try when i have a spare 299 pounds.

Zazaaji wrote: »

I don't like how the main reason is the control scheme.

Whoever told you that was a liar.
The reason there is no cross platform between XB1 and PC or between XB1 and PS4 is because Microsoft will not allow it from third parties (the upcoming cross-platform Fable Legends is first party). ZoS just figured since XB1 will be forced to be separated, they'd make the PS4 separated too in sake of fairness for new console players.

Side note - The PC version is getting full console UI and controller support "After console release". That is not even remotely a reason for separated servers, much less the "main reason".
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If Sony is okay with mixing console and PC players, has done it with their own mmo, and other third party mmos are already starting to do it, then why ZOS arbitrarily made a decision to keep PS/4 gamers separate from PC players is puzzling.

Console transfers from the PC will have the advantage of geared vet level characters, huge piles of gold and a tremendous head start researching crafted items at launch. That's the very definition of unfairness in a game where progression matters. So we know fairness wasn't a big factor keeping PS/4 players separated from PC players.

Firellight wrote: »

This is really unfair. I've been thinking the past few minutes after posting, and I'm starting to think that MMOs (virtual worlds and maybe even console lobbies) should enter the political world. I am not sure which countries everyone is from, I'm Canadian, but to be separated because of corporate rivalry is kind of infringing on our rights. We should start standing up for this stuff.

If this is the main worry in your life... then just ugh. Not sure what else to say, other than grow up.

If they ever merge servers (console-pc) I ll ask for a refund and go to play on pc ...There are lot of threads around about why people chose to play on console and among the reasons are just because of this..that they will play against consoles only.. Equal hardware and no bots is among the top reasons.

I also believe this is a Zenimax decision and a right one, and I hope they will stick on it.

There's no (perfectly) nice way to say the following:

There needs to be console and PC separation, both in terms of server and forums.

Why?

Console is tailored to an entirely different audience and playstyle. It's (kill stuff and be awesome online) vs. persistent roleplay world online.

Console is going to be dominated by (players) who are gonna guild up with their IRL college (mates) / friends and go kill stuff.

It's going to be a mega (non-RP) meta-game PK fest. That's all console players want to do with the game (and without keyboard and chat support, that's all they really can do).

To most console players, the concept of how players like I play (where my character can't know someone just because I know their player IRL, where every action is done from in-game, in-character knowledge, where my character speaks and acts based on their personality, not mine by default) isn't even an understandable concept.

Some of us want an entirely different playstyle, and that works mostly well with PC players who have keyboards and have played MUDs and what not in the past.

Edited to stay in line with forum rules.