Campaigns

Anazasi · May 2015

This is getting really old fast. I have been trying to find a campaign that's not overrun or locked for a week now. Everyone seems to be hoping back and forth wherever the most populations are and frankly it really needs to stop.
1. ZOS you need to REMOVE travel to player feature for PVP.
2. ZOS you need to make it so you can change campaigns only the first 24 - 72 hours of a new campaign.
3. You need to open up few new campaigns to spread out the numbers.

The zerg wars need to stop and its your responsibility to implement rule sets to encourage this.

I have my flame pants on if anyone wants to chime in on this but I have been playing since early release and these things have always been an issue. It wasn't so bad when there were 12 campaigns but at this point something has to be done and that means ZOS has to take a stand, make a choice and bite the bullet on it.

Forestd16b14_ESO · May 2015

What we need is to remove PvP buffs from PvE then get more servers. Those 2 solutuions will help out alot.

1. Removeing pvp buffs from pve will stop the encouragement of buff servers for the pve players which mean they stop sending half there guilds in to zerg and gate camp.
2. More servers means more players spread out and will hopefully stop being outnumbered and cause less lag and more fun gameplay.

InvictoNZ · May 2015

Make a server with no meteor, call it BWB, or something.

Park your veteran toons until they can fix console veteran pvp.

manny254 · May 2015

I agree with the premise of your feelings, but adding more campaigns would not fix it. More campaigns would just create buff/Emp flipping servers.

The essential issue is that each faction tends to stack multiple guilds into the same campaign. The response is then for another faction to do the same. This is exacerbated by the guest functions. The factions can then send all of there guilds into one server to cap the map for the night, and the benefit of this is determined by a factions pop. Overall EP will have the better pop, but the time of day can favor any of the 3 factions.

Then random players jump on the campaign they are winning, and avoid the ones they are loosing. As someone who spends most of their play time solo I can somewhat understand why. As a solo player there is not much fun to be had on an imbalanced map. Even if that map favors your own faction. Lately when I log on to check all the servers it feels as if they are all being dominated by one of the factions, and there is no good PVP to be had.

Minnesinger · May 2015

You didn´t mention which faction you play. If my memory serves right I think AD. Have you tried Thorn? Even better if you can drag Misfitz or similar guild with you. Not all campaigns are pop locked it is just that AD seem to have a tendency to flock into one campaign. EP does the same thing though they have many guilds that prefer small scale fights. DC is another problem. They seem to have less population to start with.

ScruffyWhiskers · May 2015

manny254 wrote: »

As a solo player there is not much fun to be had on an imbalanced map. Even if that map favors your own faction. Lately when I log on to check all the servers it feels as if they are all being dominated by one of the factions, and there is no good PVP to be had.

Agree completely.

ScruffyWhiskers · May 2015

Although Chill at least seems to be somewhat balanced even though it looks like AD has left recently. At least last night it was high pop EP and DC and low pop AD but maybe that changed.

Minnesinger · May 2015

If anyone needs to check what is the campaign that needs more. Just check Esostats.com for info. For example, Azura was already firmly in the hands of AD when even more AD switched there. Can be said that was a mistake thinking of balance. If you want buff servers it is a different matter. If you look for balance that can be achieved but it needs brave ones to start fighting back.

http://www.esostats.com/

manny254 · May 2015

Minnesinger wrote: »

If anyone needs to check what is the campaign that needs more. Just check Esostats.com for info. For example, Azura was already firmly in the hands of AD when even more AD switched there. Can be said that was a mistake thinking of balance. If you want buff servers it is a different matter. If you look for balance that can be achieved but it needs brave ones to start fighting back.

http://www.esostats.com/

That website is not very accurate. For example Chillrend was last updated 4 days ago.

Minnesinger · May 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

If anyone needs to check what is the campaign that needs more. Just check Esostats.com for info. For example, Azura was already firmly in the hands of AD when even more AD switched there. Can be said that was a mistake thinking of balance. If you want buff servers it is a different matter. If you look for balance that can be achieved but it needs brave ones to start fighting back.

http://www.esostats.com/

That website is not very accurate. For example Chillrend was last updated 4 days ago.

Yes the updates are done by the players which is super easy to do. Anyone can update that. My guess is that Chill doesn´t need many updates as it is taken by EP. The same goes to Thorn. I was suggesting that if nothing else just check first. I can´t believe many big guilds end up in the same campaign and it isn´t intentional. What we have now is a surplus of players and frustation.

manny254 · May 2015

Minnesinger wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

If anyone needs to check what is the campaign that needs more. Just check Esostats.com for info. For example, Azura was already firmly in the hands of AD when even more AD switched there. Can be said that was a mistake thinking of balance. If you want buff servers it is a different matter. If you look for balance that can be achieved but it needs brave ones to start fighting back.

http://www.esostats.com/

That website is not very accurate. For example Chillrend was last updated 4 days ago.

Yes the updates are done by the players which is super easy to do. Anyone can update that. My guess is that Chill doesn´t need many updates as it is taken by EP. The same goes to Thorn. I was suggesting that if nothing else just check first. I can´t believe many big guilds end up in the same campaign and it isn´t intentional. What we have now is a surplus of players and frustation.

Go look at the time period where Chill was the most populated server. If you look at the Emperor Section you will see me, but you will not even see Meth. He had it multiple times, and am pretty sure at least one was 24hrs+.

olemanwinter · May 2015

I agree. But I would go even further. If it were up to me....personally...I'd do the following.

I'd shorten the longest campaigns to 14 days max. No need for a 30 day campaign AT ALL in the current environment.

You can only change campaigns at the end of a campaign. Period.

You cannot travel to player in Cyrodiil unless you have not homed.

You can choose between homing and being locked into that campaign for the duration or going wherever the action is but gaining no ground on the leaderboards, etc.

This would also be important because with no opportunity to change homes during a campaign it would allow you to view the campaigns before settling on one.

And then, I'd implement the change I recommend in this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171529/a-serious-suggestion-to-save-pvp#latest

Minnesinger · May 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

If anyone needs to check what is the campaign that needs more. Just check Esostats.com for info. For example, Azura was already firmly in the hands of AD when even more AD switched there. Can be said that was a mistake thinking of balance. If you want buff servers it is a different matter. If you look for balance that can be achieved but it needs brave ones to start fighting back.

http://www.esostats.com/

That website is not very accurate. For example Chillrend was last updated 4 days ago.

Yes the updates are done by the players which is super easy to do. Anyone can update that. My guess is that Chill doesn´t need many updates as it is taken by EP. The same goes to Thorn. I was suggesting that if nothing else just check first. I can´t believe many big guilds end up in the same campaign and it isn´t intentional. What we have now is a surplus of players and frustation.

Go look at the time period where Chill was the most populated server. If you look at the Emperor Section you will see me, but you will not even see Meth. He had it multiple times, and am pretty sure at least one was 24hrs+.

I suggested to check the campaign scores. The easier and more accurate way is to have a player in that campaign. Ad guilds must have known Azura was sliding into their pockets, but yet mass moved there. Misfitz even made a thread about their unfortunate move to Azura. Every little detail isn´t necessary to know when a guild of size of Misfitz change campaigns. The former emperors are the past. If the campaign scrore is already favouring your faction I must question the decison to move there in the pretext of ridding DC of their win. If the common sense doesn´t dictate these decision I guess every other faction is right to blame AD on the exact imbalance issues EP was blamed for in Thorn.

manny254 · May 2015

Minnesinger wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

If anyone needs to check what is the campaign that needs more. Just check Esostats.com for info. For example, Azura was already firmly in the hands of AD when even more AD switched there. Can be said that was a mistake thinking of balance. If you want buff servers it is a different matter. If you look for balance that can be achieved but it needs brave ones to start fighting back.

http://www.esostats.com/

That website is not very accurate. For example Chillrend was last updated 4 days ago.

Yes the updates are done by the players which is super easy to do. Anyone can update that. My guess is that Chill doesn´t need many updates as it is taken by EP. The same goes to Thorn. I was suggesting that if nothing else just check first. I can´t believe many big guilds end up in the same campaign and it isn´t intentional. What we have now is a surplus of players and frustation.

Go look at the time period where Chill was the most populated server. If you look at the Emperor Section you will see me, but you will not even see Meth. He had it multiple times, and am pretty sure at least one was 24hrs+.

I suggested to check the campaign scores. The easier and more accurate way is to have a player in that campaign. Ad guilds must have known Azura was sliding into their pockets, but yet mass moved there. Misfitz even made a thread about their unfortunate move to Azura. Every little detail isn´t necessary to know when a guild of size of Misfitz change campaigns. The former emperors are the past. If the campaign scrore is already favouring your faction I must question the decison to move there in the pretext of ridding DC of their win. If the common sense doesn´t dictate these decision I guess every other faction is right to blame AD on the exact imbalance issues EP was blamed for in Thorn.

I never said anything about that issue. I was just letting you know that that website is not reliable.

Anazasi · May 2015

I think the consensus here indicates that there is at least a problem ZOS needs to commit to a response. What amazes me is if this problem exists on PC it will exists on console thus since we have been beta for over a year we should be pigged one more time before console release just to make sure the world doesn't explode.

Rook_Master · May 2015

EP killed Thorn
AD killed Azura

You can't really blame Zenimax when it's the players themselves that are ruining campaigns.

NukeAllTheThings · May 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

EP killed Thorn
AD killed Azura

You can't really blame Zenimax when it's the players themselves that are ruining campaigns.

The only reason the campaigns are "ruined" is because the game that Zenimax made does not perform as advertised. Large scale pvp? This game can't even hold up to Battlefield sized battles much less the 200 on screen they market it as.

Rook_Master · May 2015

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

EP killed Thorn
AD killed Azura

You can't really blame Zenimax when it's the players themselves that are ruining campaigns.

The only reason the campaigns are "ruined" is because the game that Zenimax made does not perform as advertised. Large scale pvp? This game can't even hold up to Battlefield sized battles much less the 200 on screen they market it as.

The lag is a separate issue, and really has nothing to do with AD killing Azura's Star by moving all the major PvP guilds there.

kevlarto_ESO · May 2015

From what I see a lot of North American pvp'ers do not know how 3 faction pvp works, had they played the game and used the tactics of three faction pvp no server would have been ruined by anyone, other than fighting the lag, I am afraid, I am in USA, and all this putting your tails between your legs and running to another server is just crap, geez /facepalm