That Crown Lag

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

Slaxis wrote: »

Sarenvog open expresses how he feels about you on the forums so you can comment. Ive put a stop to him doing so out of respect for the people who has asked me. But a bunch of you EP whisper me all the time with worse comments then sarenvog has ever said but do you see me on here crying about it.

I'll point out that the majority of the actual documented verbal abuse is coming from DC players, not us EP. Even the DC didn't go beyond the normal 'smack/trash' talk levels like in Ariana Kishi's video. The level of viciousness and vulgarity that was coming from that player is at the point he doesn't just make himself look bad, he makes [his guild] look bad.

Two wrongs don't make a right, either. If EP are sending garbage tells on the level of S******g (especially ANY that involve die/death/dead level garbage), they need to not just be /ignored but reported to the Gamemasters. I heartily endorse vacations from the game for any player who engages in such terrible behavior. Please report them. Even if I happen to share a guild with them, I won't feel a drop of sympathy.

Not all of us EP do that or speak like that to others. There's smack talk (friendly and otherwise) and then there's being a vile human being in need of a reprimand.

Teargrants · May 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Grom makes it a point to hunt me down in buildings where I am hiding afk and kill me and teabag me. I come back to my corpse being obscenely desecrated. :'(

Must be a nexus thing.

Grom is a model of good sportsmanship, he's never tbagged anyone. Ever.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Grom makes it a point to hunt me down in buildings where I am hiding afk and kill me and teabag me. I come back to my corpse being obscenely desecrated. :'(

Must be a nexus thing.

Grom is a model of good sportsmanship, he's never tbagged anyone. Ever.

Grom teabags his own mother, let's be real here.

Teargrants · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Grom makes it a point to hunt me down in buildings where I am hiding afk and kill me and teabag me. I come back to my corpse being obscenely desecrated. :'(

Must be a nexus thing.

Grom is a model of good sportsmanship, he's never tbagged anyone. Ever.

Grom teabags his own mother, let's be real here.

Libel and slander!

#GromParagonOfVirtue

Draxys · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Grom makes it a point to hunt me down in buildings where I am hiding afk and kill me and teabag me. I come back to my corpse being obscenely desecrated. :'(

Must be a nexus thing.

Grom is a model of good sportsmanship, he's never tbagged anyone. Ever.

Grom teabags his own mother, let's be real here.

The real issue here is whether or not he can out-teabag tea pot.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

Draxys wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Grom makes it a point to hunt me down in buildings where I am hiding afk and kill me and teabag me. I come back to my corpse being obscenely desecrated. :'(

Must be a nexus thing.

Grom is a model of good sportsmanship, he's never tbagged anyone. Ever.

Grom teabags his own mother, let's be real here.

The real issue here is whether or not he can out-teabag tea pot.

It's very likely.

Minnesinger · May 2015

@Slaxis

Let me point out what Crown said about hate tells.

"Some people look a lot worse than petty children. In the past few weeks the terms "Crown zerg" and "Crown lag" have been thrown around a lot, and I've about reached the cap of my /ignore list (I'm happy to have intelligent debate or conversation, though I ignore people who just poop-talk or get abusive) for all the poop-talking reds who seem to have nothing better to do than to blame me for everything from game lag to the war in the middle east. There have even been two who after being reported for suggesting that I harm myself in rather significant ways haven't been online for about a week (I believe that they've been banned)."

I believe neither you nor Crown has nothing to do with hate tells. Personally you don´t agree nor send them. Well that I firmly believe. If you want to keep your guild up to the standard you are expecting enemy players to do it is best to start cleaning your own nest. Both of you are capable leaders.

I have gotten my share of hate tells and they amuse me. Yet I don´t represent a guild on AD. This is so foolish to aggro everyone. Keep your enemies close or something

Winnamine · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Grom makes it a point to hunt me down in buildings where I am hiding afk and kill me and teabag me. I come back to my corpse being obscenely desecrated. :'(

Must be a nexus thing.

Grom is a model of good sportsmanship, he's never tbagged anyone. Ever.

Grom teabags his own mother, let's be real here.

The real issue here is whether or not he can out-teabag tea pot.

It's very likely.

#teamteapot

Jauriel · May 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Grom makes it a point to hunt me down in buildings where I am hiding afk and kill me and teabag me. I come back to my corpse being obscenely desecrated. :'(

Must be a nexus thing.

Grom is a model of good sportsmanship, he's never tbagged anyone. Ever.

Maybe he really just likes to rest his bags on my face?

stonescorsa · May 2015

Lol slaxis i havnt ran a raid for about a month so try again bro but thabks for the compliment of being as strong as 40. We are known to people as the 300 we stay and fight till war is over but for you guys its stay and die ☺

Draxys · May 2015

stonescorsa wrote: »

Lol slaxis i havnt ran a raid for about a month so try again bro but thabks for the compliment of being as strong as 40. We are known to people as the 300 we stay and fight till war is over but for you guys its stay and die ☺

the 300 stayed and died...

DoctorSwampy · May 2015

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Come fight us on Hade. Tertiary Meat could use some more AD support that aren't PvEers.

Also, WTB EP guild to fight on Hade for a good three-way. Was cool to see Guild of Shadows there Sunday night.

The last thing Haderus needs is to import more AD, especially not Misfitz. We have plenty already. They just need to be taught.

As much as I see Crown as a friend and message him when I see him, I have to say I agree with Cin. There is already a large abundance of AD on Haderus with Tertiary Meat and Abandoned Legion (which I am apart of both, so I'm rarely not on Hade) as far as I know. The pugs also bring up quite a bit more of AD. If Misfitz wants to be majorly productive they could work on TB and counter Havoc to bring more life to it. TM just pushed Emp last night I believe so there would be more action, although I logged before I could see how it was an hour or so later. Misfitz has the numbers and resources to take down a continuous buff server of EP and maybe create some form of competitive play as the resistance increases. Maybe even Chill could be brought back from the dead? (I assume it is desolate as I have heard nothing about it in a while.)

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

milthalas wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

DC felt the need to bring in a large number recently. They zerg the inner and then disappear. I really wish that kind of thing would stop on all campaigns.

This is precisely why a lot of Haderus AD simply abandon ship / switch campaigns when it happens and people continue to do it there. Someone said we don't need any more guilds on AD side but really another organized, decent sized guild would be awesome. Not necessarily one the size of Misfitz, but another Tertiary Meat-sized guild would be great. Actually if we could just clone TM...

Harbingers moved there this week. If they stay, that could be what we need.

Oh right, I forgot about HoD. Sorry Buso!

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

DoctorSwampy wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Come fight us on Hade. Tertiary Meat could use some more AD support that aren't PvEers.

Also, WTB EP guild to fight on Hade for a good three-way. Was cool to see Guild of Shadows there Sunday night.

The last thing Haderus needs is to import more AD, especially not Misfitz. We have plenty already. They just need to be taught.

As much as I see Crown as a friend and message him when I see him, I have to say I agree with Cin. There is already a large abundance of AD on Haderus with Tertiary Meat and Abandoned Legion (which I am apart of both, so I'm rarely not on Hade) as far as I know. The pugs also bring up quite a bit more of AD. If Misfitz wants to be majorly productive they could work on TB and counter Havoc to bring more life to it. TM just pushed Emp last night I believe so there would be more action, although I logged before I could see how it was an hour or so later. Misfitz has the numbers and resources to take down a continuous buff server of EP and maybe create some form of competitive play as the resistance increases. Maybe even Chill could be brought back from the dead? (I assume it is desolate as I have heard nothing about it in a while.)

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

milthalas wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

DC felt the need to bring in a large number recently. They zerg the inner and then disappear. I really wish that kind of thing would stop on all campaigns.

This is precisely why a lot of Haderus AD simply abandon ship / switch campaigns when it happens and people continue to do it there. Someone said we don't need any more guilds on AD side but really another organized, decent sized guild would be awesome. Not necessarily one the size of Misfitz, but another Tertiary Meat-sized guild would be great. Actually if we could just clone TM...

Harbingers moved there this week. If they stay, that could be what we need.

Oh right, I forgot about HoD. Sorry Buso!

From what I understand is that Chillrend is a Blue/Red binary server. WIth no AD presence, EP and DC pass the AD scrolls back and forth and go back and forth over the inner ring. It could really use an AD presence once more.

Tripe · May 2015

The main problems are people, the internet, AP, campaigns, Havok, skills, tea-bagging, verbal abuse, zergs, pugs, Crown, Thornblade, tick range, ideas, 16 man, DC, and thinking you know what the problem is and proposing solutions.

Solution

-Removal of all damage dealing skills
-Introduction of new interesting and varied CCs
-Removal of CC immunity
-Limit AP gains based on distance from CC'ed opponents.
-Text only warfare with integrated global cooldown.
-6 second chat CC immunity
-Being CC'ed resets whatever you were typing
-Removal of sneak to quell tea-bagging
-New /defecate emote

New crown store items:
-Insult hurling siege
-Angel aura
-potion of increased chat CC immunity +2 secs (30 minute cooldown)
-Flaming ass Mount!

Weberda · May 2015

Tripe wrote: »

The main problems are people, the internet, AP, campaigns, Havok, skills, tea-bagging, verbal abuse, zergs, pugs, Crown, Thornblade, tick range, ideas, 16 man, DC, and thinking you know what the problem is and proposing solutions.

Solution

-Removal of all damage dealing skills
-Introduction of new interesting and varied CCs
-Removal of CC immunity
-Limit AP gains based on distance from CC'ed opponents.
-Text only warfare with integrated global cooldown.
-6 second chat CC immunity
-Being CC'ed resets whatever you were typing
-Removal of sneak to quell tea-bagging
-New /defecate emote

New crown store items:
-Insult hurling siege
-Angel aura
-potion of increased chat CC immunity +2 secs (30 minute cooldown)
-Flaming ass Mount!

I kinda like the Insult Hurling Siege. Can you use it on members of your own faction?

DoctorSwampy · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

DoctorSwampy wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Come fight us on Hade. Tertiary Meat could use some more AD support that aren't PvEers.

Also, WTB EP guild to fight on Hade for a good three-way. Was cool to see Guild of Shadows there Sunday night.

The last thing Haderus needs is to import more AD, especially not Misfitz. We have plenty already. They just need to be taught.

As much as I see Crown as a friend and message him when I see him, I have to say I agree with Cin. There is already a large abundance of AD on Haderus with Tertiary Meat and Abandoned Legion (which I am apart of both, so I'm rarely not on Hade) as far as I know. The pugs also bring up quite a bit more of AD. If Misfitz wants to be majorly productive they could work on TB and counter Havoc to bring more life to it. TM just pushed Emp last night I believe so there would be more action, although I logged before I could see how it was an hour or so later. Misfitz has the numbers and resources to take down a continuous buff server of EP and maybe create some form of competitive play as the resistance increases. Maybe even Chill could be brought back from the dead? (I assume it is desolate as I have heard nothing about it in a while.)

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

milthalas wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

DC felt the need to bring in a large number recently. They zerg the inner and then disappear. I really wish that kind of thing would stop on all campaigns.

This is precisely why a lot of Haderus AD simply abandon ship / switch campaigns when it happens and people continue to do it there. Someone said we don't need any more guilds on AD side but really another organized, decent sized guild would be awesome. Not necessarily one the size of Misfitz, but another Tertiary Meat-sized guild would be great. Actually if we could just clone TM...

Harbingers moved there this week. If they stay, that could be what we need.

Oh right, I forgot about HoD. Sorry Buso!

From what I understand is that Chillrend is a Blue/Red binary server. WIth no AD presence, EP and DC pass the AD scrolls back and forth and go back and forth over the inner ring. It could really use an AD presence once more.

I feel like we're Congress discussing sending soldier into war, only we're much smarter.
Anyway, that's exactly my point Aggripa. We need more of a presence on Chill with the migration of AD guilds to Azuras as of recent time. I would move to Chill if TM would like to, but I'm not sure about us moving. We enjoy Hade quite a bit.

Jauriel · May 2015

Tripe wrote: »

The main problems are people, the internet, AP, campaigns, Havok, skills, tea-bagging, verbal abuse, zergs, pugs, Crown, Thornblade, tick range, ideas, 16 man, DC, and thinking you know what the problem is and proposing solutions.

Solution

-Removal of all damage dealing skills
-Introduction of new interesting and varied CCs
-Removal of CC immunity
-Limit AP gains based on distance from CC'ed opponents.
-Text only warfare with integrated global cooldown.
-6 second chat CC immunity
-Being CC'ed resets whatever you were typing
-Removal of sneak to quell tea-bagging
-New /defecate emote

New crown store items:
-Insult hurling siege
-Angel aura
-potion of increased chat CC immunity +2 secs (30 minute cooldown)
-Flaming ass Mount!

How about taking prisoners? You earn double the Ap for capturing prisoners rather than kill kill mentality. This might stop the massive aoe and zerg damage spamming. Also it would possibly mix groups up a bit especially if their crown was captured.

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2015

Tripe wrote: »

The main problems are people, the internet, AP, campaigns, Havok, skills, tea-bagging, verbal abuse, zergs, pugs, Crown, Thornblade, tick range, ideas, 16 man, DC, and thinking you know what the problem is and proposing solutions.

Solution

-Removal of all damage dealing skills
-Introduction of new interesting and varied CCs
-Removal of CC immunity
-Limit AP gains based on distance from CC'ed opponents.
-Text only warfare with integrated global cooldown.
-6 second chat CC immunity
-Being CC'ed resets whatever you were typing
-Removal of sneak to quell tea-bagging
-New /defecate emote

New crown store items:
-Insult hurling siege
-Angel aura
-potion of increased chat CC immunity +2 secs (30 minute cooldown)
-Flaming ass Mount!

best post I read today.

Tripe · May 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Tripe wrote: »

The main problems are people, the internet, AP, campaigns, Havok, skills, tea-bagging, verbal abuse, zergs, pugs, Crown, Thornblade, tick range, ideas, 16 man, DC, and thinking you know what the problem is and proposing solutions.

Solution

-Removal of all damage dealing skills
-Introduction of new interesting and varied CCs
-Removal of CC immunity
-Limit AP gains based on distance from CC'ed opponents.
-Text only warfare with integrated global cooldown.
-6 second chat CC immunity
-Being CC'ed resets whatever you were typing
-Removal of sneak to quell tea-bagging
-New /defecate emote

New crown store items:
-Insult hurling siege
-Angel aura
-potion of increased chat CC immunity +2 secs (30 minute cooldown)
-Flaming ass Mount!

How about taking prisoners? You earn double the Ap for capturing prisoners rather than kill kill mentality. This might stop the massive aoe and zerg damage spamming. Also it would possibly mix groups up a bit especially if their crown was captured.

I've already proposed the slavery system in another thread. The romans kept slaves, therefore, ESO should have a slavery system. Logic.

I might also propose slaves could be freed from their bonds through the use of some sort of bat utility laser thing or perhaps frogs and locusts.

Jauriel · May 2015

Tripe wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Tripe wrote: »

The main problems are people, the internet, AP, campaigns, Havok, skills, tea-bagging, verbal abuse, zergs, pugs, Crown, Thornblade, tick range, ideas, 16 man, DC, and thinking you know what the problem is and proposing solutions.

Solution

-Removal of all damage dealing skills
-Introduction of new interesting and varied CCs
-Removal of CC immunity
-Limit AP gains based on distance from CC'ed opponents.
-Text only warfare with integrated global cooldown.
-6 second chat CC immunity
-Being CC'ed resets whatever you were typing
-Removal of sneak to quell tea-bagging
-New /defecate emote

New crown store items:
-Insult hurling siege
-Angel aura
-potion of increased chat CC immunity +2 secs (30 minute cooldown)
-Flaming ass Mount!

How about taking prisoners? You earn double the Ap for capturing prisoners rather than kill kill mentality. This might stop the massive aoe and zerg damage spamming. Also it would possibly mix groups up a bit especially if their crown was captured.

I've already proposed the slavery system in another thread. The romans kept slaves, therefore, ESO should have a slavery system. Logic.

I might also propose slaves could be freed from their bonds through the use of some sort of bat utility laser thing or perhaps frogs and locusts.

I like this very much!!!!! My first slave would surely be Frozn! Muhahahahhaha

Ghostbane · May 2015

Tripe wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Tripe wrote: »

The main problems are people, the internet, AP, campaigns, Havok, skills, tea-bagging, verbal abuse, zergs, pugs, Crown, Thornblade, tick range, ideas, 16 man, DC, and thinking you know what the problem is and proposing solutions.

Solution

-Removal of all damage dealing skills
-Introduction of new interesting and varied CCs
-Removal of CC immunity
-Limit AP gains based on distance from CC'ed opponents.
-Text only warfare with integrated global cooldown.
-6 second chat CC immunity
-Being CC'ed resets whatever you were typing
-Removal of sneak to quell tea-bagging
-New /defecate emote

New crown store items:
-Insult hurling siege
-Angel aura
-potion of increased chat CC immunity +2 secs (30 minute cooldown)
-Flaming ass Mount!

How about taking prisoners? You earn double the Ap for capturing prisoners rather than kill kill mentality. This might stop the massive aoe and zerg damage spamming. Also it would possibly mix groups up a bit especially if their crown was captured.

I've already proposed the slavery system in another thread. The romans kept slaves, therefore, ESO should have a slavery system. Logic.

I might also propose slaves could be freed from their bonds through the use of some sort of bat utility laser thing or perhaps frogs and locusts.

Or stick to the lore, giving them an item of your clothing sets them free.

Wait..

Rylana · May 2015

Crown, I respect ya man, not so much some of your guild members, but you I do.

Your guild lags the server. I had to take my six man group off of Haderus yesterday because of your specific group.

Every time you guys showed up, ping tanked, some of us on lower end machines tanked FPS, the game became unplayable.

Need to tone down the unnecessary ability spamming, by quite a lot.

Jauriel · May 2015

Ghostbane wrote: »

Tripe wrote: »

Jauriel wrote: »

Tripe wrote: »

The main problems are people, the internet, AP, campaigns, Havok, skills, tea-bagging, verbal abuse, zergs, pugs, Crown, Thornblade, tick range, ideas, 16 man, DC, and thinking you know what the problem is and proposing solutions.

Solution

-Removal of all damage dealing skills
-Introduction of new interesting and varied CCs
-Removal of CC immunity
-Limit AP gains based on distance from CC'ed opponents.
-Text only warfare with integrated global cooldown.
-6 second chat CC immunity
-Being CC'ed resets whatever you were typing
-Removal of sneak to quell tea-bagging
-New /defecate emote

New crown store items:
-Insult hurling siege
-Angel aura
-potion of increased chat CC immunity +2 secs (30 minute cooldown)
-Flaming ass Mount!

How about taking prisoners? You earn double the Ap for capturing prisoners rather than kill kill mentality. This might stop the massive aoe and zerg damage spamming. Also it would possibly mix groups up a bit especially if their crown was captured.

I've already proposed the slavery system in another thread. The romans kept slaves, therefore, ESO should have a slavery system. Logic.

I might also propose slaves could be freed from their bonds through the use of some sort of bat utility laser thing or perhaps frogs and locusts.

Or stick to the lore, giving them an item of your clothing sets them free.

Wait..

FENGRUSH · May 2015

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wait, in the OP Crown said that he usually just has a group of 20-24.
Is that incorrect?

That is correct. When I lead, I prefer a group of 20. It grows often enough to (or I take over lead for) a group of 24. We usually have a wait list after that.

The other people named are part of the group - not running additional groups.

So about half the time when you lead you prefer to have a group of about 20 people unless it grows to 24 or you take over a group of 24. Unless you or the people waiting arent running with one of the other large guilds or even others.

Why go through so much effort to specifically name a preference difference in which case both are virtually full raid groups.

FENGRUSH prefers to run with a group of 3, but sometimes he gets daring and extends the party to 4 if popular demand allows it. Where is the line drawn on 'needs'? If you lose a fight, surely players may feel they 'need' more.

If they arent going to your group, theyre probably doing what you do and jumping in one of the other multiple guilds.

If you think making multiple groups of 20+ and putting them together to fight on servers is a good idea, it isnt. Not blaming any single party or one more than another, but these kind of excuses are as bad as the megaserver performance. Inevitably most of these primetime battles boil down to focal points around the ring which creates gruesome lag.

All in all, its a matter of players styles, not the volume of players. Players log into Cyrodiil to PvP and jump into a group of 20+ people to run inside a ball using a single skill bar and get away with it. Wouldnt be an issue if B Wheeler came back from his month(s) long vacation to offset some of the countless advantages playing like this has and added some negative alternatives. At least he could promote change from player options rather than trying to alter campaign numbers to entice players.

No offense meant to Crown with this reply, its intended for all - happy hes willing to come here and discuss things openly. But if youre pushing 20+ people in your group running around working with other guilds doing the same, please dont complain about the lag or ZOS or their megaservers; youre the reason its happening. Until players want to stop trying to be tsym, we will continue to experience lag and tears.

Crown · May 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Crown, I respect ya man, not so much some of your guild members, but you I do.

Thanks - I do appreciate that.

Rylana wrote: »

Your guild lags the server. I had to take my six man group off of Haderus yesterday because of your specific group. Every time you guys showed up, ping tanked, some of us on lower end machines tanked FPS, the game became unplayable. Need to tone down the unnecessary ability spamming, by quite a lot.

I was in trials (Hel Ra hard mode completed for the first time, then SO hard mode - we got Serpent down to about 30%) most of last night, so am not aware of the exact situation.

I admit that it's very possible that Misfitz contributed to lag, though we are never just spamming abilities (unlike some groups who just show up in the area, stack perfectly, and spam springs). In combat the only thing close to "spamming skills" is the designated "purge monkey", an honoured position for someone who sacrifices the fun of casting different spells to alternate efficient purge as every second cast. This serves to effectively eliminate DoTs from... anything including fire siege. Sometimes if we have s support NB in group that changes to Cleanse - the support NB build being the only one that can maintain the magicka sustain needed for alternating Cleanse every second skill.

I don't know if that contributes to lag - though I've asked higher up in the thread for a red or blue 24 person group to help us test and (without blind accusations) confirm if that and other things actually do contribute - and how significantly. I'm happy to stream the event for anyone else who wants to watch and take their own notes, or invite anyone from any faction into our TS to discuss testing and witness the results. Again, I believe that spamming anything AoE that affects multiple targets contributes to lag, but without hard demonstrated evidence we have no way of knowing how much each spell / ability / action contributes to it.

In a 20 person group I try to run 4 or 5 healers (one of whom is the purge monkey), and 4 stamina builds with Vigor. Of the healers, three will usually put up healing springs every third or fourth cast. When running a tactical group (as opposed to just anyone who is available coming in), we time it so that each healers' springs is cast upon expiration, and not spammed.

I'm not sure how many people were in group last night, but having seen "Room for x in group, 53x to join" for most of the evening, I don't believe that we had a full 24 at any time. I'll ask later when more people are online and find out for certain.

When you saw the lag spike, was it only the Misfitz group in the area? Is it possible that when something flagged there were multiple groups (not coordinating locations between them) who all showed up at the same time? I've spoken with a few people from Havoc and Nexus, and that seems to be the norm from both our factions: multiple groups refusing to coordinate locations because they all want the points in a given location - or they just don't know how well others will perform so go to the location in question "just in case".

Crown · May 2015

FENGRUSH wrote:

So about half the time when you lead you prefer to have a group of about 20 people unless it grows to 24 or you take over a group of 24. Unless you or the people waiting arent running with one of the other large guilds or even others. Why go through so much effort to specifically name a preference difference in which case both are virtually full raid groups.

There's a difference between 20 and 24, just as there is a difference between 16 and 20. Best case scenario, I have a tactical group of 16. In order to ensure the most fun for the most people for whom I (as a leader) feel responsible, I'll grow the group to 20 (or not accept replacements when I take over a group of 24 and people drop until it reaches 20). At that point, looking at the group composition, there may be a need for a particular role or set of responsibilities. It happens often enough that we don't have enough healers online with the group at 20 and only 3 healers. In that case, group members #21 and #22 will be healers. If we're missing a support NB, then I'll add one as he/she becomes available, etc. The goal being to keep the group at 20 in order to ensure that we have what we need at all times. Sometimes I'll drop the max number to 16 (with 2-4 slots extra being for whatever we're lacking).

FENGRUSH wrote:

FENGRUSH prefers to run with a group of 3, but sometimes he gets daring and extends the party to 4 if popular demand allows it. Where is the line drawn on 'needs'? If you lose a fight, surely players may feel they 'need' more.

Fengrush is welcome to run in whatever size group makes him (I believe Fengrush is a him - and I apologize if I am mistaken) happy. Before ESO, I was a raid leader for a world ranked WoW guild, and I've always enjoyed running, managing, optimizing, and leading large groups of players. It makes me happy to see them succeed and grow in the knowledge and abilities. Everyone needs to do what's fun for them, and when it stops being fun they should find something else to do.

FENGRUSH wrote:

If they arent going to your group, theyre probably doing what you do and jumping in one of the other multiple guilds.

As they should! Some people like to run solo, others in small groups, and many in large groups. This game is meant to support the criteria of fun for players of any type.

FENGRUSH wrote:

If you think making multiple groups of 20+ and putting them together to fight on servers is a good idea, it isnt. Not blaming any single party or one more than another, but these kind of excuses are as bad as the megaserver performance. Inevitably most of these primetime battles boil down to focal points around the ring which creates gruesome lag.

I agree with you there. If the servers supported it without lag, it would be a different story. The challenge is getting each group to coordinate (each group and their leader having their own opinions, thoughts, loves, hates, and in most cases disdains for other groups). Sometimes I believe that I enable good communications and coordination, though for every hour that I do so, there are probably 3-4 more hours where the groups in a particular campaign do not.

FENGRUSH wrote:

All in all, its a matter of players styles, not the volume of players. Players log into Cyrodiil to PvP and jump into a group of 20+ people to run inside a ball using a single skill bar and get away with it. Wouldnt be an issue if B Wheeler came back from his month(s) long vacation to offset some of the countless advantages playing like this has and added some negative alternatives. At least he could promote change from player options rather than trying to alter campaign numbers to entice players.

I believe that the detonation skill was intended to be a zerg buster, though it has turned into one of the greatest zerg group tools out there. 24 people with proxy detonation all coordinating their explosions with a few Steel Tornado spammers in the mix will kill almost anything. Most people agree that the skill is broken, though while it is so effective the grand majority of groups will continue to use it. The same applies to Meteor. 10+ people casting Meteor on one target with a NB fearing at the perfect moment, and the target has no chance.

FENGRUSH wrote:

No offense meant to Crown with this reply, its intended for all - happy hes willing to come here and discuss things openly. But if youre pushing 20+ people in your group running around working with other guilds doing the same, please dont complain about the lag or ZOS or their megaservers; youre the reason its happening. Until players want to stop trying to be tsym, we will continue to experience lag and tears.

I've not taken any offense, and this is a good thread for discussing the issue. The game was meant to support these numbers, but as we've seen since the lighting changes a few months ago, they no longer can. Unless everyone agrees to change how they play, unfortunately I don't believe that there will be any improvement. Those of us leading the more organized guilds and groups can agree, though there are many more who will not or are not able to do so.

Rylana · May 2015

Crown wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Crown, I respect ya man, not so much some of your guild members, but you I do.

Thanks - I do appreciate that.

Rylana wrote: »

Your guild lags the server. I had to take my six man group off of Haderus yesterday because of your specific group. Every time you guys showed up, ping tanked, some of us on lower end machines tanked FPS, the game became unplayable. Need to tone down the unnecessary ability spamming, by quite a lot.

-snip for brevity-

Purge is one of the biggest contributors to server side lag. Especially when multiple groups are stacking. This was tested in my TKO days, not that long ago. Just me and Glarin were mercilessly spamming purge on 40 people we had setting up at Eastern Elsewyr gate for a raid night, and everyone is TS just started going off at us to stop it because it was lagging them out badly.

So if you get multiple people using it even every other skill, its just crazy. TKO last i knew before i left the guild was under the new tactic of everyone slotting the skill and hitting it once a rotation (2-4 button presses). When I took Vice to thorn last night after the lag on Haderus was too much, we ran into TKO up by Chalman milegate and engaged some reds side by side.

The moment TKO came out of stealth and attacked, i completely froze up and crashed.

Purge is a killer, man.

Also, no you werent the only group, but the nastiest part of the lag didnt start until I saw members i know from your guild pushing onto that flag. It had been moderately laggy before that, but the moment your guys showed up it went crippling bad.

Cormore · May 2015

When i read all this i feel like im back in high school, Its kinda pathetic and don't know why i play anymore.

Crown · May 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Just me and Glarin were mercilessly spamming purge on 40 people we had setting up at Eastern Elsewyr gate for a raid night, and everyone is TS just started going off at us to stop it because it was lagging them out badly. So if you get multiple people using it even every other skill, its just crazy.

Two people mercilessly spamming it on 40 players is very different from one person casting it every other skill on a group of about 20. Even having everyone cast it once in their rotation (I'm guessing a rotation is about 5-6 skills) is going to be a lot more than the one person every other skill - and reduces the effectiveness of those who shouldn't need to keep it on their bars when they can be doing more damage.

Rylana wrote: »

Also, no you werent the only group, but the nastiest part of the lag didnt start until I saw members i know from your guild pushing onto that flag. It had been moderately laggy before that, but the moment your guys showed up it went crippling bad.

Last night the group was running with a maximum of 18 people (I just asked a few who were there). I can only surmise that the 18 Misfitz pushed the limit of what can be handled in the area with however many (40+ ?) were already there.

Again, I would love to get tests of this on video for everyone to review. We're 16 in group right now. To test, everyone slotted efficient purge (or cleanse for the three of us who run it) and spammed it until out of magicka with zero negative effects / lag.

glak · May 2015

@Crown thanks for going the extra mile to test this