What Ultimate Generation system do you want

Kronosphere · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

Kronosphere · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

Sanct16 wrote: »

The actual question is why should everyone get the same Ultimate no matter what he does. Would that be fair? I simply think that it is not.

I think the 1.5 system was pretty good. Speaking of PvP:
You got Ultimate for doing damage. Best way to get lot of Ultimate was with a dot build so people got encouraged tip not just spam one skill.
You got Ultimate for blocking, the more you get hit, the more Ultimate you got.
You got Ultimate for healing players.

I would have between fine with putting less importancy on having many different ticks and just give 1 Ultimate for every 100(old) damage/healing done and one Ultimate for x damage mitigated by blocking.

The 1.6 system is just stupid and encourages people to stay back and hide instead of charging in.

ooh so if yout not a dps your not allowed to do anything or have fun. k.

Shunravi · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

You know.... its probably just my class, but as a tank my ult generation is actually worse than 1.5. Healers never had too much trouble either... All they needed to do was buff the sources of ult for the PvE tanking role, not neuter the whole system.

ToRelax · May 2015

A dynamic ultimate generation system, but not the 1.5 one (develop)

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

Get some mature group then who work together for their PvE success, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having one playstyle giving more ultimate than another if they are only working as a team anyway.

Besides that, better get out of the PvP forum, you're making fun of yourself.

Teargrants · May 2015

What kinda system do I want...

A working one.

iseko · May 2015

A static ultimate generation system, but not the 1.6 one (develop)

Static is fine. However ANY skill should activate the buff that generates ultimate. Weaving in ligt attacks is easy with ranged weapons. Not always as easy with swords/axes/etc. Blocking onpy works half the time. Healing seems to work. But if any skill would activate it then it would be more fair imho.

Dynamic ultimate generation promoted aoe spamming even more with aoe ultis in between. No thanks.

Sanct16 · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

This is pvp forum. it's not about pve dungeons.

Erondil · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

Sanct16 wrote: »

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

This is pvp forum. it's not about pve dungeons.

It would be interesting to have the opinions of PvE players aswell... because we all know ZOS won't care if its a change only wanted by PvP players.

lolo_01b16_ESO · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

In 1.5 I could drop a nova every 20-30 sec as a healer if my group was taking enough damage.

Rook_Master · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

1.5 Ult Generation was completely broken, and this thread is simply DKs getting nostalgic about dropping Standards every 10 seconds.

The_Drexill · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

I like 1.6 better... I've almost always got an ultimate up, I pop it in nearly every fight, and dodge meteors in almost every fight. In 1.5 you could ultimate evert 10 seconds. I prefer it now.

SturgeHammer · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

This is probably not the case for everyone, but my ultimate generation rate (1 per fight) didn't really change a lot between 1.5 and 1.6. Extended fights feel less dominated by ultimates, which seems fine, and the bast of coordinated ultis to initiate group fights hasn't changed at all, which is also fine. Maybe the issues with the 1.6 system are not obvious to me, but it does provide a steady flow of ult generation without requiring any specific build or playstyle achieve, which is all I really care about.

Shunravi · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

Rook_Master wrote: »

1.5 Ult Generation was completely broken, and this thread is simply DKs getting nostalgic about dropping Standards every 10 seconds.

It's not just DKs

Rook_Master · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

1.5 Ult Generation was completely broken, and this thread is simply DKs getting nostalgic about dropping Standards every 10 seconds.

It's not just DKs

You're right, I forgot about Streak spam to gain ultimate. Thanks.

Are there any other ground-based AoEs that CC up to 6 people that I am forgetting?

Forestd16b14_ESO · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

People are still crying that they can't bat and standers spam?

Rook_Master · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

People are still crying that they can't bat and standers spam?

They're just hoping everyone forgot about DK ult spam, and trying to convince people that it was "dynamic" and "cool".

pppontus · May 2015

A dynamic ultimate generation system, but not the 1.5 one (develop)

Sometimes I wonder, those of you who are whining about bats/standard/ulti spam, have you never in this game been outnumbered in pvp? Are you always in the biggest group possible hiding behind 100 teammates, or how are you not affected by this? Ulti regen was the only real advantage the smaller groups had in 1.5, everything else is always stacked in favor of bigger groups, more dps, more healing, more everything. In 1.6 .. also more ultimates. 10v50? You have 10 ultimates in the same they have 50. GL.

I still remember the help texts that popped up when I unlocked my first ultimate over a year ago. Said something like active and engaging play would grant you more ultimate as a reward. Now, I agree 1.5 wasn't perfect and maybe didn't always reward skill, but if active play is defined as light attacking once every 8 secs I think this game might just be a bit boring.

Edit: this is written regardless of class. My DK wasn't used more than 2-3 times in PvP in 1.5, so sorry but can't blame this one on DK, not even if you got killed by your own snipe. Sry.

Emma_Overload · May 2015

A dynamic ultimate generation system, but not the 1.5 one (develop)

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

If that was the problem, then the correct solution would have been to make it so tanks and healers could get more ultimate, not to nerf it for everybody.

WRX · May 2015

A dynamic ultimate generation system, but not the 1.5 one (develop)

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

Serious question.

WTF is a tank?

Emma_Overload · May 2015

A dynamic ultimate generation system, but not the 1.5 one (develop)

Rook_Master wrote: »

1.5 Ult Generation was completely broken, and this thread is simply DKs getting nostalgic about dropping Standards every 10 seconds.

Don't be sure it's just just DKs.... I'm a Sorc, and I would love to have my Negates back. I haven't even slotted Negate since 1.6 left the PTS. What's the point?

Ultimates are boring and almost completely useless now. You used to be able to work them into a proper rotation, now it's just like a special treat you get to enjoy once in a blue moon.

Shunravi · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

WRX wrote: »

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

Serious question.

WTF is a tank?

In my limited PvP experience... A frontliner who bads like to focus, who can take punishment and deal it with the use of ultimates. Thanks to 1.6, I'm not sure they exist anymore.

Zhoyzu · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

I kinda prefer the current system because its consistent.

ive kinda only used ults as a panic button and rarely use them. only recently started using them more frequently that i actually tried out this games PvE over the last month.

WRX · May 2015

A dynamic ultimate generation system, but not the 1.5 one (develop)

Shunravi wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Kronosphere wrote: »

god the 1.5 ult generation is disgusting and im dissapointed all the y0l0swag dps still want it back so they can still be uber 1337. 1.5 WAS AWFUL. that is fact. only dps could gain ult. as a tank and i assume its the same for healers. id go an entire dungeon sometimes and get maybe 1 and a half ults. it sucked. the new system is a billion times better. get over yourselves.

Serious question.

WTF is a tank?

In my limited PvP experience... A frontliner who bads like to focus, who can take punishment and deal it with the use of ultimates. Thanks to 1.6, I'm not sure they exist anymore.

Yeah, IMO Tanks in PvP dont exist lol.. Players can and should be tanky, but if you aren't killing anything, then it's not doing much.

Forestd16b14_ESO · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

People are still crying that they can't bat and standers spam?

Rook_Master wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

People are still crying that they can't bat and standers spam?

They're just hoping everyone forgot about DK ult spam, and trying to convince people that it was "dynamic" and "cool".

Dynamic and cool ... key words there and of course there dynamic and cool cause there you know "ULTIMATES". Words of wisdom if it's cool and dynamic it's a ultimate move that should take some effort to get and not be spammable.

krim · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

I'm kind of interested how far back some people are that they think that DKs are the only ones who could drop consistent ultis while fighting outnumbered. FYI every class in 1.5 could do what everyone thinks was only possible on a DK. Minus the sorc to some degree.

Shunravi · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

People are still crying that they can't bat and standers spam?

Rook_Master wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

People are still crying that they can't bat and standers spam?

They're just hoping everyone forgot about DK ult spam, and trying to convince people that it was "dynamic" and "cool".

Dynamic and cool ... key words there and of course there dynamic and cool cause there you know "ULTIMATES". Words of wisdom if it's cool and dynamic it's a ultimate move that should take some effort to get and not be spammable.

Well, by that logic, overload isn't an ultimate. Neither is death stroke.

Draxys · May 2015

A dynamic ultimate generation system, but not the 1.5 one (develop)

krim wrote: »

I'm kind of interested how far back some people are that they think that DKs are the only ones who could drop consistent ultis while fighting outnumbered. FYI every class in 1.5 could do what everyone thinks was only possible on a DK. Minus the sorc to some degree.

my NB could easily put out more ults than my DK

krim · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

Draxys wrote: »

krim wrote: »

I'm kind of interested how far back some people are that they think that DKs are the only ones who could drop consistent ultis while fighting outnumbered. FYI every class in 1.5 could do what everyone thinks was only possible on a DK. Minus the sorc to some degree.

my NB could easily put out more ults than my DK

No doubt its true NBs were beast at generating ulti thanks to sap and the passive. Every class was capable of it though, i know because i ran 4 man groups that consisted of one of each class. A NB that could hold its own, A Temp that could hold its own, A DK that could hold its own, and a sorc. It was a beautiful synergy.

Sanct16 · May 2015

The 1.5 dynamic ultimate generation

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

1.5 Ult Generation was completely broken, and this thread is simply DKs getting nostalgic about dropping Standards every 10 seconds.

It's not just DKs

You're right, I forgot about Streak spam to gain ultimate. Thanks.

Are there any other ground-based AoEs that CC up to 6 people that I am forgetting?

Talons or Streak didn't actually give you more Ultimate than impulse and definetly less than Sap Essence due to the 2 Ultimate per enemy hit. Wall of Elements was nice ultimate gain too.

keni_harringtonb16_ESO · May 2015

The 1.6 static ultimate generation

im all for improvments to the game but could everyone also state what class they are bcuz i mained a nb and i almost never had ulti unless i was ganking with a mana build using soul harvest *passively increases ulti gain* just for giggles for the people wanting 1.5 ulti gen back what class are you (or were you maining in 1.5)