Does Craglorn Scale?

UrQuan · May 2015

There was recently a discussion in my guild about Craglorn and scaling. One guildie was certain that it scaled, and another was certain that it didn't (I was busy fighting through most of the conversation in /guild, so I didn't actually take part in the discussion).

The one who said it scaled said that the mobs didn't scale up or down in level, and the players don't have their stats battle-leveled like in Cyrodiil, but that damage done is scaled so that a VR1 and a VR14 will do damage to the mobs as if they were the same level.

I've never heard of Craglorn scaling in any way (although I have, in the past, suggested that it should be possible to do overworld scaling by increasing/decreasing damage done proportionally to the level of the mob or player taking damage), but I've never really done much there aside from grabbing surveys, so I can't say for sure from personal experience (although I'm pretty sure it doesn't scale).

So how about it: does Craglorn scale in any way, or not?

AngryNord · May 2015

Craglorn does not scale

RazzPitazz · May 2015

It must definitely does not. I took my VR1 there for giggles and got slaughtered by wasps. Managed to survivefor a while but my damage did not reflect normal VR Mob battles.

BuggeX · May 2015

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

It must definitely does not. I took my VR1 there for giggles and got slaughtered by wasps. Managed to survivefor a while but my damage did not reflect normal VR Mob battles.

If you get killed by v11 Wasps, well they are Buggy and broken as ***. they have more hp/dmg/armor than the v13 wasps.
Spawn everytime 8+

Blo0dstorm · May 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

It must definitely does not. I took my VR1 there for giggles and got slaughtered by wasps. Managed to survivefor a while but my damage did not reflect normal VR Mob battles.

If you get killed by v11 Wasps, well they are Buggy and broken as ***. they have more hp/dmg/armor than the v13 wasps.
Spawn everytime 8+

A pack of 8 VR11 wasps in Craglorn is harder to kill than 10 VR12 goblins in Cyrodiil delves.
There is definitely something broken here.

BuggeX · May 2015

Blo0dstorm wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

It must definitely does not. I took my VR1 there for giggles and got slaughtered by wasps. Managed to survivefor a while but my damage did not reflect normal VR Mob battles.

If you get killed by v11 Wasps, well they are Buggy and broken as ***. they have more hp/dmg/armor than the v13 wasps.
Spawn everytime 8+

A pack of 8 VR11 wasps in Craglorn is harder to kill than 10 VR12 goblins in Cyrodiil delves.
There is definitely something broken here.

well dont compare cyro with something else, in cyro you still get a battlebonus on stats

RazzPitazz · May 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

It must definitely does not. I took my VR1 there for giggles and got slaughtered by wasps. Managed to survivefor a while but my damage did not reflect normal VR Mob battles.

If you get killed by v11 Wasps, well they are Buggy and broken as ***. they have more hp/dmg/armor than the v13 wasps.
Spawn everytime 8+

Noted. Them I suppose my input has been invalidated lol.

istateres · May 2015

Chest DO scale, just try and get VR11 or VR13 gear as VR1. Not happening! Not sure about other instances.

Ourorboros · May 2015

I have only anecdotal evidence, but I do not believe there is any scaling in Craglorn. I read the patch notes and other releases, and don't recall any official mention of scaling. The notes have clearly disclosed where scaling does occur. I killed lots of things in Craglorn while grouped, but could not do that solo reliably until I was VR14. And yes, those VR11 wasps are tougher than a pack of VR13 welwas. By comparison, it's pretty easy to take out a pack of the new VR11 jackals.

TheShadowScout · May 2015

Never noticed any scaling there. Not in levels, not in effect - I know when my main first went there, I got pwned by the weakest mobs. Now at V14... I can actually take down some groups with a bit of difficulty. Point is, I definitely feel like those veteran ranks I gained since that time (and the c-points) made a difference... so, I doubt any scaling has been gone on...

Nestor · May 2015

There is no scaling that I can tell in Craglorn. Loot may scale, as I have been with people who have gotten VR13 stuff and I get VR6 when I am up there on my Templar.

Mobs, they do not.

As far as the Wasps, the only time I have been successful against them solo is when I loaded up the PTS, made a VR14 Templar, and assigned them about 500 Champion Points. Then the VR11 Wasps were not an issue. Other than that, fuggeedaboutit

UrQuan · May 2015

Yeah, I've fought those wasp mobs many times back before they moved the survey locations... I think I was probably VR3 or 4 at the time, and I don't think I ever managed to take them out without getting killed at least once in the process.

Nestor · May 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

I don't think I ever managed to take them out without getting killed at least once in the process.

I never survived.

I would just /bug or /feedback the thing and tell ZOS thanks for punishing me for doing Writs. I am so glad those days are over.

Iselin · May 2015

You may get scaled in Craglorn at some point the same way people get scaled in Cyrodiil now, sometime after Wrothgar and Orsinium DLCs are released since those two will work that way.

But now, no it doesn't... and they've never said the new DLC zones will scale to you -- you will scale to them.

Natjur · May 2015

Blo0dstorm wrote: »

A pack of 8 VR11 wasps in Craglorn is harder to kill than 10 VR12 goblins in Cyrodiil delves.
There is definitely something broken here.

All mobs in Cyrodiil have the stats of a V5 mob but marked as V12 to give better exp and loot, but still really only V5 mobs.
Craglorn exp was nerfed hard. Cyrodiil was boosted.

They really need to relook at Craglorn but as they only care about the console release, this game is dead for now. Just glad Witcher 3 is out. Something to do while they fix ESO

eliisra · May 2015

Blo0dstorm wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

It must definitely does not. I took my VR1 there for giggles and got slaughtered by wasps. Managed to survivefor a while but my damage did not reflect normal VR Mob battles.

If you get killed by v11 Wasps, well they are Buggy and broken as ***. they have more hp/dmg/armor than the v13 wasps.
Spawn everytime 8+

A pack of 8 VR11 wasps in Craglorn is harder to kill than 10 VR12 goblins in Cyrodiil delves.
There is definitely something broken here.

They also give 1/3 of the exp compared Cyrodiil mobs and less interesting loot. Basically no exp at all in Craglorn, therefore turned into a zone for no-life nirncrux farmers.

Apparently VR12+ PvE is suppose to take place in Cyrodiil now and not in Cralgorn. Whose idea was this? Why did they even spend money and resources developing Craglorn, both upper and lower, when they clearly dont want people to play through it more than once? Actually scrap that, most players aren't even doing the quest line once.

Also there's the forced PvP aspect, I personally dont mind. But It's still an issue. You shouldn't have to go into a PvP zone to get exp at VR14, if you hate to PvP. It's a horrible decision made by ZoS.