NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Still haven't seen any sort of definitive proof of this. And no, your anecdotal evidence does not count as "definitive". : P
PC folks just refuse to use the games systems LFG, Guild Stores, etc. After many threads, ingame encouragement and even guild influences ppl on PC just have this attitude.....good luck if you're staying on PC. It's not just the grouping tools.
Sandmanninja wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Still haven't seen any sort of definitive proof of this. And no, your anecdotal evidence does not count as "definitive". : P
PC folks just refuse to use the games systems LFG, Guild Stores, etc. After many threads, ingame encouragement and even guild influences ppl on PC just have this attitude.....good luck if you're staying on PC. It's not just the grouping tools.
Dude - I try the lFG daily. DAILY. Some days I run out of time. yes, I wait for HOURS in the LFG queue with NO hits.
I have selected DPS; then DPS and Healer; then DPS and Healer and Tank.
HOURS.
Nothing.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Sandmanninja wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Still haven't seen any sort of definitive proof of this. And no, your anecdotal evidence does not count as "definitive". : P
PC folks just refuse to use the games systems LFG, Guild Stores, etc. After many threads, ingame encouragement and even guild influences ppl on PC just have this attitude.....good luck if you're staying on PC. It's not just the grouping tools.
Dude - I try the lFG daily. DAILY. Some days I run out of time. yes, I wait for HOURS in the LFG queue with NO hits.
I have selected DPS; then DPS and Healer; then DPS and Healer and Tank.
HOURS.
Nothing.
If you're switching roles or switching anything while its searching....that's the issue.
Stop it, clear everything to default and then make the new selections and run it.
Healer and tank
I always get a group.
Maybe but I've never met the same players when grouped so....since April 2014 - June 2014 and then March 2015 - nowSandmanninja wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Sandmanninja wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Still haven't seen any sort of definitive proof of this. And no, your anecdotal evidence does not count as "definitive". : P
PC folks just refuse to use the games systems LFG, Guild Stores, etc. After many threads, ingame encouragement and even guild influences ppl on PC just have this attitude.....good luck if you're staying on PC. It's not just the grouping tools.
Dude - I try the lFG daily. DAILY. Some days I run out of time. yes, I wait for HOURS in the LFG queue with NO hits.
I have selected DPS; then DPS and Healer; then DPS and Healer and Tank.
HOURS.
Nothing.
If you're switching roles or switching anything while its searching....that's the issue.
Stop it, clear everything to default and then make the new selections and run it.
Healer and tank
I always get a group.
No. Just.... No.
I was attempting to explain that I've tried multiple roles on multiple times.
Day #1: I pick healer and let it search. I then go read "War and Peace" (got to love Tolstoy's style), come back, and the thing is still searching.
Day #2: I pick Tank and Healer and let it search. I then go read "The Bible" (got to love a classic), come back, and the thing is still searching.
Day #3: I pick Tank and Healer and DPS and let it search. I then go read "The Birth of Tragedy." (got to love a good Nietzsche book), come back, and the thing is still searching.
You, sir, seem to be in a very small fragment of the community.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Maybe but I've never met the same players when grouped so....since April 2014 - June 2014 and then March 2015 - nowSandmanninja wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Sandmanninja wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Still haven't seen any sort of definitive proof of this. And no, your anecdotal evidence does not count as "definitive". : P
PC folks just refuse to use the games systems LFG, Guild Stores, etc. After many threads, ingame encouragement and even guild influences ppl on PC just have this attitude.....good luck if you're staying on PC. It's not just the grouping tools.
Dude - I try the lFG daily. DAILY. Some days I run out of time. yes, I wait for HOURS in the LFG queue with NO hits.
I have selected DPS; then DPS and Healer; then DPS and Healer and Tank.
HOURS.
Nothing.
If you're switching roles or switching anything while its searching....that's the issue.
Stop it, clear everything to default and then make the new selections and run it.
Healer and tank
I always get a group.
No. Just.... No.
I was attempting to explain that I've tried multiple roles on multiple times.
Day #1: I pick healer and let it search. I then go read "War and Peace" (got to love Tolstoy's style), come back, and the thing is still searching.
Day #2: I pick Tank and Healer and let it search. I then go read "The Bible" (got to love a classic), come back, and the thing is still searching.
Day #3: I pick Tank and Healer and DPS and let it search. I then go read "The Birth of Tragedy." (got to love a good Nietzsche book), come back, and the thing is still searching.
You, sir, seem to be in a very small fragment of the community.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Have you been able to find that ZOS comment on how grouping tool is working 100%?
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Have you been able to find that ZOS comment on how grouping tool is working 100%?
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Seems people still believe the tool is not bugged and it's the community fault for not using it....
It actually is....why fix something people insist on not using when it did work?
Using the bugged logic, 75% of the active players wouldnt even play the game cause it's bugged.
Tools being bugged isn't the reason it's not being used
Prove it.
Prove that people choose not to use the grouping tools because they prefer not to?
Or prove that people are only not using it because they think bugged = they won't get a group?
Step 1
-go to the top of this page and search LFG or group finder or grouping tools
Step 2- read the comments
Prove that it's not bugged and that it's only community xenophobia that is making it unreliable.
Since this is exactly what you keep saying in thread after thread, despite scores of comments stating otherwise.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165783/how-to-use-the-lfg-tool-grouping-tools-guide-how-to-get-better-results#latest
Or go off the patch notes from ZOS the specifically clarify that the grouping tools had fixes and today they fixed the group leader bug. It's been working for me since April 2014. It takes longer as more and more people decide not to use it but the tool works. The trick is getting others to use it vs standing in cities spamming or in zones spamming LFG.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »-IF and when 4 people who "all" are within 4 levels of each other, in the queue "may" be grouped. There are other variables and it doesn't group based on whose been in the longest.
Wreuntzylla wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Maybe but I've never met the same players when grouped so....since April 2014 - June 2014 and then March 2015 - nowSandmanninja wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Sandmanninja wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Still haven't seen any sort of definitive proof of this. And no, your anecdotal evidence does not count as "definitive". : P
PC folks just refuse to use the games systems LFG, Guild Stores, etc. After many threads, ingame encouragement and even guild influences ppl on PC just have this attitude.....good luck if you're staying on PC. It's not just the grouping tools.
Dude - I try the lFG daily. DAILY. Some days I run out of time. yes, I wait for HOURS in the LFG queue with NO hits.
I have selected DPS; then DPS and Healer; then DPS and Healer and Tank.
HOURS.
Nothing.
If you're switching roles or switching anything while its searching....that's the issue.
Stop it, clear everything to default and then make the new selections and run it.
Healer and tank
I always get a group.
No. Just.... No.
I was attempting to explain that I've tried multiple roles on multiple times.
Day #1: I pick healer and let it search. I then go read "War and Peace" (got to love Tolstoy's style), come back, and the thing is still searching.
Day #2: I pick Tank and Healer and let it search. I then go read "The Bible" (got to love a classic), come back, and the thing is still searching.
Day #3: I pick Tank and Healer and DPS and let it search. I then go read "The Birth of Tragedy." (got to love a good Nietzsche book), come back, and the thing is still searching.
You, sir, seem to be in a very small fragment of the community.
You are missing the bigger picture. If customers are not using your product, for whatever reason, it's YOUR fault. Period.
Telling people not to change roles while the tool is running, to clear selections and start over, etc., would end in a staffing change...
If every game had a bad grouping tool, I might think it's a systemic problem. Unfortunately, many games have easy to use, intuitive grouping tools that work well for the player base.
Well, except that no game company has figured out how to have a "no rager" option. Odd, as I can think of several ways to pair idiots with idiots based on their typical behavior.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »-IF and when 4 people who "all" are within 4 levels of each other, in the queue "may" be grouped. There are other variables and it doesn't group based on whose been in the longest.
If they removed these limitations or let people remove these limitations, then the tool would work better. As it stands now, it seems to be set up for a huge population of people looking to group. If the population is large enough, then these restrictions make sense. Where the reality is, people just want others to group with them no matter what the level, with a few exceptions. I was running some group dungeons last night with my VR6 Templar and some L38's (until my power went out, sorry folks). We did just fine. I had run the dungeons before, so I was just puttering, the others were having a good time, getting their achievements, exp and loot. So it all worked out.
There is no way this group would have been created by the Grouping Tool.
Peekachu99 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Seems people still believe the tool is not bugged and it's the community fault for not using it....
It actually is....why fix something people insist on not using when it did work?
Using the bugged logic, 75% of the active players wouldnt even play the game cause it's bugged.
Tools being bugged isn't the reason it's not being used
Prove it.
Prove that people choose not to use the grouping tools because they prefer not to?
Or prove that people are only not using it because they think bugged = they won't get a group?
Step 1
-go to the top of this page and search LFG or group finder or grouping tools
Step 2- read the comments
Prove that it's not bugged and that it's only community xenophobia that is making it unreliable.
Since this is exactly what you keep saying in thread after thread, despite scores of comments stating otherwise.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165783/how-to-use-the-lfg-tool-grouping-tools-guide-how-to-get-better-results#latest
Or go off the patch notes from ZOS the specifically clarify that the grouping tools had fixes and today they fixed the group leader bug. It's been working for me since April 2014. It takes longer as more and more people decide not to use it but the tool works. The trick is getting others to use it vs standing in cities spamming or in zones spamming LFG.
You're simply wrong. In nearly every pledge group that I've done this week, the "no group leader" bug has been present. Sometimes even more than once (after disbanding and reforming). ZoS also claimed that the Templar charge was fixed in several patches and it wasn't. I don't know if it's still broken since I specced out of it to the sword and board charge.
Maybe you're on of those "it's not happening to me, therefore it isn't happening" people. This, despite numerous people telling you that the grouping interface remains bugged.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
I don't agree that the 4 level restriction should be removed.
I do agree that dungeons should not be limited by faction
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
I don't agree that the 4 level restriction should be removed.
I do agree that dungeons should not be limited by faction
It should be a choice to level restrict or not. I put my name in and check a box that says any level or a box that says restrict level. Then I am matched either with people on my level or not as I see fit. They would not be matched with me if they checked the restrict level box if they were not at my level.
Group Dungeons are not Faction Locked. Once you do the Group Dungeon in your alliance, you can port directly to any other group dungeons that are at or below that level. You might even be able to go higher, not sure. That might require having "discovered" it by talking to an Undaunted. Not sure on that.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Seems people still believe the tool is not bugged and it's the community fault for not using it....
It actually is....why fix something people insist on not using when it did work?
Using the bugged logic, 75% of the active players wouldnt even play the game cause it's bugged.
Tools being bugged isn't the reason it's not being used
Prove it.
Prove that people choose not to use the grouping tools because they prefer not to?
Or prove that people are only not using it because they think bugged = they won't get a group?
Step 1
-go to the top of this page and search LFG or group finder or grouping tools
Step 2- read the comments
Prove that it's not bugged and that it's only community xenophobia that is making it unreliable.
Since this is exactly what you keep saying in thread after thread, despite scores of comments stating otherwise.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165783/how-to-use-the-lfg-tool-grouping-tools-guide-how-to-get-better-results#latest
Or go off the patch notes from ZOS the specifically clarify that the grouping tools had fixes and today they fixed the group leader bug. It's been working for me since April 2014. It takes longer as more and more people decide not to use it but the tool works. The trick is getting others to use it vs standing in cities spamming or in zones spamming LFG.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Have you been able to find that ZOS comment on how grouping tool is working 100%?
Fact: He has absolutely nothing but some anecdotal evidence. Has nothing to back up his claims.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
I drastically disagree there
The grouping tool is faction locked
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »What if they told you PC does but ppl just refuse to use it due to text zone/chat
Have you been able to find that ZOS comment on how grouping tool is working 100%?
Fact: He has absolutely nothing but some anecdotal evidence. Has nothing to back up his claims.
You evidence is just as anecdotal, FYI.
If anyone actually watched the portion of the stream where Deltia used the group finder, you saw that his queue popped instantly. The one person in his group using voice chat however said that he was waiting for an hour.