magicka vs.stamina

Sethro_27 · May 2015

Magicka isn't used for sprinting or dodging so if I dump my points into blue than I can roll dodge and sprint whilst attacking with op DMG where as with stamina I have a limited resource pool for my attacks due to mechanics no matter what I'd need more to compete with blue I would like to know if anyone else feels cheated on this?

thelordoffelines · May 2015

No. For medium armor builds dodge roll is incredibly cheap giving you great defense. You dont really need to block in medium because you have dodge roll. Sprinting in combat is a stam drain whether pr not your magicka or Stam but if you're stamina is a lot cheaper and you have much greater stam sustain. Magicka builds on the other hand must choose their dodge rolls and their blocks and their CC breaks very carefully because of their vastly less stamina.

Zanen · May 2015

At launch it was really imbalanced but at this point the balance between stamina and magicka builds is much better.

Remember a stam build is going to have significantly better regen and cost reduction on top of the deeper pool.

Playing a magicka build I really miss having stam available to roll, block and break more.

Playing stamina I miss not having effective scaling on magicka abilities or sufficient magicka to spam utilities.

I do miss my hybrid DK though.

PBpsy · May 2015

Oh potato . Not this BS again.

Tonturri · May 2015

My magicka DK gets two roll dodges - three if I time it right - before she is just about out of Stamina. For Stamina builds, I imagine they only get a couple magicka abilities to use before their magicka is gone.

Seems pretty balanced.

dantator · May 2015

Sethro_27 wrote: »

Magicka isn't used for sprinting or dodging so if I dump my points into blue than I can roll dodge and sprint whilst attacking with op DMG where as with stamina I have a limited resource pool for my attacks due to mechanics no matter what I'd need more to compete with blue I would like to know if anyone else feels cheated on this?

My stamina NB has 3k stamina regen and 3k weapon damage. Basically, I can dodge roll forever. Balanced? Nah, try holding block on a magicka build and pray that you can at least cc break once.

eliisra · May 2015

Tonturri wrote: »

My magicka DK gets two roll dodges - three if I time it right - before she is just about out of Stamina. For Stamina builds, I imagine they only get a couple magicka abilities to use before their magicka is gone.

Seems pretty balanced.

My magicka templar can dodge roll 4 times, almost 5. That's because I'm forced to spec into stamina and stamina recovery to survive in PvP as a magicka build. I also need to spend a fair amount of points into health, because I cant avoid dmg with blink, escapes or endless dodge-rolls. Magicka DK's do have a similar and pretty urgent problem. But even glass house sorcerers needs to think about stamina- and stamina recovery.

This while stamina builds can completely ignore points, gear or enchant to boost magicka or magicka recovery. Stamina builds only need minimum magicka for occasional utility. They can jam everything into main stats stamina, weapon power and stamina recovery. No need for any major sacrifices there. So yeah, it adds ups and than some.

RazzPitazz · May 2015

Lemme break it down for ya;

Stamina == Sprint, Roll Dodge, Block & Physical DPS.
Dumping points into stam and altering costs for it or any of the skills above allow you to use each one more often, more effectively.

Magika == Magic DPS & Healing

Sethro_27 · May 2015

So under magicka I can shield up, heal, n DPs at range. Stamina(range if bow) has attacks breaks rolls and blocks so I just see more mechanics running off of stamina and which would be required to survive than with magicka and magicka stacks just eating up attacks while dealing DMG. More mechanics rely on stamina than magicka maybe I haven't made it that far in end game to really test it out.

LEGENDARYYY · May 2015

Zanen wrote: »

Remember a stam build is going to have significantly better regen and cost reduction on top of the deeper pool.

What? I don't follow. Theres no stamina regen mundus stone. I can't even get close to the same stamina regen as magicka regen. My main vr14 has 2k magicka regen, my vr5 dps full stamina build has 1,3k stamina regen even with all stamina regen passives in champ point tree and I'm a nightblade werewolf. I will never get 2k stamina regen from the looks of it.

I'd have to get a different set then hundings if so.

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · May 2015

You have to also consider that magicka is a lot more useful for things like large-scale combat.

Cry_Wolfe · May 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

Remember a stam build is going to have significantly better regen and cost reduction on top of the deeper pool.

What? I don't follow. Theres no stamina regen mundus stone. I can't even get close to the same stamina regen as magicka regen. My main vr14 has 2k magicka regen, my vr5 dps full stamina build has 1,3k stamina regen even with all stamina regen passives in champ point tree and I'm a nightblade werewolf. I will never get 2k stamina regen from the looks of it.

I'd have to get a different set then hundings if so.

my 49 stam sorc (leather/2h) has 1.3k stam regen and he has 1 mana regen ring on....

Sethro_27 · May 2015

I know magicka plays a part in stamina builds, but all class skills run off magicka til recently so I think few balance tweaks are necessary but big advantage is the range on the staffs which is pretty cool. I'm not sure ur 1.3 regwn build is prefect cause nothing is but I thank you for your input! Add me for ventures travelers!

BuggeX · May 2015

Wy arent there Attacks witch skall on HP? Would like to see this on my Hybrid Tank DK....

BuggeX · May 2015

Cry_Wolfe wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

Remember a stam build is going to have significantly better regen and cost reduction on top of the deeper pool.

What? I don't follow. Theres no stamina regen mundus stone. I can't even get close to the same stamina regen as magicka regen. My main vr14 has 2k magicka regen, my vr5 dps full stamina build has 1,3k stamina regen even with all stamina regen passives in champ point tree and I'm a nightblade werewolf. I will never get 2k stamina regen from the looks of it.

I'd have to get a different set then hundings if so.

my 49 stam sorc (leather/2h) has 1.3k stam regen and he has 1 mana regen ring on....

NB have Shiponing Strikes
DK have GDB (~2k regen)

kaithuzar · May 2015

@LEGENDARYYY ,
If you can't get close to 2k stam regen, you're doing something wrong.
Try using the "of the air" set & stam drinks instead of food (not talking pots, but weapon dmg pots are always good too)

dantator · May 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

Remember a stam build is going to have significantly better regen and cost reduction on top of the deeper pool.

What? I don't follow. Theres no stamina regen mundus stone. I can't even get close to the same stamina regen as magicka regen. My main vr14 has 2k magicka regen, my vr5 dps full stamina build has 1,3k stamina regen even with all stamina regen passives in champ point tree and I'm a nightblade werewolf. I will never get 2k stamina regen from the looks of it.

I'd have to get a different set then hundings if so.

Your Nb is vr5. Get him to vr14 and use the right setup. You can easily break 2k stamina regen on a NB. I bet you didn't use regen drinks.

dantator · May 2015

Sethro_27 wrote: »

I know magicka plays a part in stamina builds, but all class skills run off magicka til recently so I think few balance tweaks are necessary but big advantage is the range on the staffs which is pretty cool. I'm not sure ur 1.3 regwn build is prefect cause nothing is but I thank you for your input! Add me for ventures travelers!

Not every magicka build uses staves to dps or in general.

LameoveR · May 2015

Stamina wins! Flawless victory!

WillhelmBlack · May 2015

Breton Templar Magicka Build. 27,000 points, 1200 regen, 1600 spell dmg.

Same guy Stamina Build. 24,000 points, 1500 regen, 2800 weapon dmg.

Overall, the Stamina build had way higher single target DPS. Magicka build more AoE, can heal to full, CC. I can do all 3 roles with Magicka Build in Heavy Armour!

Faulgor · May 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Wy arent there Attacks witch skall on HP? Would like to see this on my Hybrid Tank DK....

Sorcerer's Disintegrate passive damage scales with HP.

Cry_Wolfe · May 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Cry_Wolfe wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

Remember a stam build is going to have significantly better regen and cost reduction on top of the deeper pool.

What? I don't follow. Theres no stamina regen mundus stone. I can't even get close to the same stamina regen as magicka regen. My main vr14 has 2k magicka regen, my vr5 dps full stamina build has 1,3k stamina regen even with all stamina regen passives in champ point tree and I'm a nightblade werewolf. I will never get 2k stamina regen from the looks of it.

I'd have to get a different set then hundings if so.

my 49 stam sorc (leather/2h) has 1.3k stam regen and he has 1 mana regen ring on....

NB have Shiponing Strikes
DK have GDB (~2k regen)

Don't like Siphoning Strikes, my NB rarely has any reason to use it.

also just posted to say that if a v5 only had 1.3k stam regen then they're missing out on something...

teladoy · May 2015

Everything is good balance. If you build magicka you can cast more skills, but you can't roll and block too much. if you build stamina, first is that you will never have 5 stamina skills in your bar and that means, you can roll and block more times if you need, perhaps you can't cast too many skills, but you will do more damage with autoattacks and etc.

of course whatever the way you choose you need to manage and control your resources, that's about pvp.

Also important is, magicka = magic damage, your enemy is spell resistance.
Stamina = physical damage, your enemy is Physical Resistance.

Dositheus · May 2015

Stamina vs Magika debate will never stop. Frankly I've ran both, and enjoyed both. People like Sypher and Xinthisis have shown both work. They are two animals that do a lot of the same things, but are not identical. And that is ok. Think apples and oranges. Both are tasty, but not the same thing.

Stamina = more dodge rolls, break frees, and spam of stam utilizing abilities. (dps in some cases)
Magika = More utility class skills, heals, shields, and bolt escapes for sorcs.

Both can be decent regen setups. To accomplish max regen, both sides have to sacrifice some weapon damage. And both are viable build paths. It all depends on what you want to play with. I was forced into magika builds up until 1.5 due to stam being pretty lack luster and crappy in comparison. Now, you can pull both off. Hybrid builds are *** though from what I've seen.

Generally it feels like you are going to be a lot squishier with a stam build than a Magika, but have a quicker kill time. More glass cannon. At least for any class, other than sorcs. Sorcs it seems to be the opposite. Slower kill time with Stam... hmmm, and more squishy. I'm not sure what the appeal of a stam sorc is, but FENGRUSH seems to like it and do alright with it. Perhaps it's some sort of challenge thing. Meh.

A stam nb is generally a lot squishier than a similar skilled Magika one though. Especially now that people have figured out which skills go through dodge roll. People actively using these skills destroy the dodge rollers. Those who don't, don't have a lot to complain about imo. I've adapted to kill them. And certainly sorcs I've fought have adapted to kill me too. It's the whole.. adaptation game. Evolve or die off.

vichoi · May 2015

Sethro_27 wrote: »

Magicka isn't used for sprinting or dodging so if I dump my points into blue than I can roll dodge and sprint whilst attacking with op DMG where as with stamina I have a limited resource pool for my attacks due to mechanics no matter what I'd need more to compete with blue I would like to know if anyone else feels cheated on this?

If you build everything into magicka, and you sprinting or dodging, you'll be dead in one CC cause you don't have enough stamina to break free. If you find anyone with magicka build using dodge roll, he don't have op DMG.

LEGENDARYYY · May 2015

kaithuzar wrote: »

@LEGENDARYYY ,
If you can't get close to 2k stam regen, you're doing something wrong.
Try using the "of the air" set & stam drinks instead of food (not talking pots, but weapon dmg pots are always good too)

@Cry_Wolfe @dantator @kaithuzar

Both characters I'm talking about are nords and is good for comparison since they have no passives for stamina or magicka regen.

My magicka DK nord has 2k magicka regen without drinks. He has a lot of regen with seducer, magnus and healer sets, and mundus stone.

Yet, how can you get significantly better stamina regen in comparison to magicka when there is no mundus stone for stamina regen?

I now have 1,2k stamina regen vr5 nb NORD with hundings rage and ashen grip. All my stam regen passives are at the max. If I swap to way of the air 3 piece next to my hundings I'd get 252 extra stamina regen + scaling from CP and the shadow passive 30% increase I'm looking at about 1632 stamina regen vr14. If I swapped my hundings for stamina regen aswell I'd be looking at about 2k, yes.

Of course you can get more then 2k stamina regen with a different race, different gear and drinks... I even said that in my post that I would have to swap hundings to get 2k regen on my nord. But it is not significantly better in any way. With proper gear, race etc. you can get close to 2,5k magicka regen aswell.

If, however, there was a mundus stone that gave stamina regen, I would totally agree with you. With stamina regen boon, it would be possible to get significantly higher stamina regen then magicka regen.

@WillhelmBlack if u had 1200 magicka regen vr14 then you mustave forgot to change boon.

Zanen · May 2015

Lol guys I meant stamina build is going to have more stamina regen and cost reduction than a magicka one, which is relevant to the perceived problem the OP was worried about.

I have no idea if stamina or magicka hit higher regen numbers if you stack it, not sure why I'd care since stacking that much regen is always bad. I imagine it depends on the class but I'd think class aside it's pretty close, mundus vs werewolf.

reften · May 2015

Tonturri wrote: »

My magicka DK gets two roll dodges - three if I time it right - before she is just about out of Stamina. For Stamina builds, I imagine they only get a couple magicka abilities to use before their magicka is gone.

Seems pretty balanced.

Exactly. I get 2 maybe 3 dark cloaks.

Also, think of it this way. My defense and offense comes from the same pool. Wouldn't you rather have it come from two different pools? Think tri-pots...and I've completely run out of stamina and have full magicka as a stam NB, usually because I blocked some siege while in caltrops or something.

Consider yourself lucky to be able to defend and still have your entire pool of magicka.

Now if you are constantly out of stamina but tons of magicka, then you have a build problem. Just because you do damage with magicka, doesn't mean you should max out your magicka pool....