Wonder how long till this is closed...

While I am very interested in the Witcher3 I wait a bit until reviews become available and the first bugs are resolved. Currently I am hopping between StarCraft, ESO, GW2, Shadow of Mordor and a few others.

So little time, so many games! and with Steams sales coming my backlog is going to grow some more...

I am going to buy the Witcher and put it on my waiting list/backburner. I currently have a backlog in terms of nice single player RPGs as well as MMORPGs that I still want to complete (for the MMOs I at least want to finish the main content storylines). Currently I am busy with the Jaws of Hakkon expansion for DA:I. Between studying further for my MEng and a new position at the company I work for I have to limit my gaming time, which is causing gaming addiction withdrawal symptoms for me lol.

Moonscythe wrote: »

But I do play Neverwinter some just to hone my console skills while waiting for June 9th (an early birthday present only a year later than expected).

You could just sync a ps4 controller to your pc to practice on ESO if you aren't being sarcastic hehe .

Sandmanninja wrote: »

So... why tell the world? Why come here? I am really curious because you don't want to play yet you insist on telling everyone who DOES want to play...that you don't want to play.

Because the ESO forums are more entertaining than all the other games listed.

Be proud.

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Wonder how long till this is closed...

@HeroOfNone As long as ESO is winning the poll, I bet it won't be

I'll be playing ESO.

HeroOfNone wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Wonder how long till this is closed...

@HeroOfNone As long as ESO is winning the poll, I bet it won't be

I'll be playing ESO.

=P

Doesn't hurt to branch out, but say good buy to social interaction while you play it

@HeroOfNone Oh I'm good with branching out, still plan on getting into Skyrim just haven't had time. And hey, maybe down the road I'll have time.. and it'll be on sale

There is room in my life for more than 1 game.

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Here's what I don't get.
People (yourself included) obviously dislike ESO, or you wouldn't be making a "I'm leaving ESO" post.
You go out of your way to list the other MMOs you're considering playing when you "Escape" from ESO.

So... why tell the world? Why come here? I am really curious because you don't want to play yet you insist on telling everyone who DOES want to play...that you don't want to play.

Just uninstall the game, remove eso from your bookmark, and get on with it.

What I don't get is why people (yourself included) somehow think that someone writing their own state of mind is the same as you barking orders at them and telling them what to do.

You're like the person who says "You don't like the war....THEN LEAVE THE COUNTRY!"

The person who says, "You think taxes are too high....THEN DON'T CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN YOUR HOUSE BURNS DOWN".

Also, just fyi....the number of people who are seriously disgruntled with the state of the game seems to be about dead even with the number of people who wish we would shut up.

Furthermore, I could explain through analogy as I've done a few times how I enjoy the game at the same time I passionately hate many many things about it. I could compare it to a greasy fast food burger or biting one's nails.

Finally, I'll give you a piece of advice. If you really dislike reading "I'm leaving ESO" posts, you should perhaps stop reading them. You should just resist clicking on the thread, keep scrolling down...and and get on with it.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Moonscythe wrote: »

But I do play Neverwinter some just to hone my console skills while waiting for June 9th (an early birthday present only a year later than expected).

You could just sync a ps4 controller to your pc to practice on ESO if you aren't being sarcastic hehe .

No, I wasn't being sarcastic. I'm on a slighting below minimum req Mac and will go to an Xbox One. I tried to set up a controller when I tried LOTRO and it was more hassle than it was worth, in part because of LOTRO's controls but still a hassle. I'll just wait for a few weeks more.

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

NEXT!

wicther 3 THREE half-life 3 confirmed

Witcher 3 definitely, nice to play an awesome game again.

I couldn't get into Witcher 1, but Witcher 3 looks amazing. If I had to guess...

Witcher 3 plot > TES plot

TES lore > Witcher lore

Lionxoft wrote: »

Maddhawk wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

TL;DR
So when was playing the game to unlock things considered a paywall? Both games try to search around our pockets for extra coin but only one of them insists on cornering us to reach into our real wallets for unlocks and that is ESO.

@Lionxoft Maybe it has changed, I dunnu. I am just giving feedback based upon my own experience with the game back in 2013. As far the support experience goes, I had only wanted to ask a question about how the elite/subcriber status perks worked that hadn't been answered in their FAQs so I could make an informed decision to sub or not. I had been somewhat enjoying the game until that point. However, when I couldn't even post a question to the forums to ask without first paying, that pissed me off. At this point, I don't ever care to go back and try their game again. I gave them a fair shot and they blew it.

As to why I am talking about SWTOR on an ESO forum? Read this thread better and you will see someone posted a list of alternative MMOs they were looking at. One guy posted his own mini-reviews of each game based on his experiences and I merely added to it so the OP can make his own decision should he decide ESO isn't the game for him/her.

@Maddhawk Understood but 2013 was quite a while ago and long enough to consider that opinion as one that is not current. That's more extreme of an opinion than saying that ESO sucks now because it requires a subscription. It doesn't but anyone that is not kept current or understands how it works could make that uneducated assumption.

I will say this again and I think it's very important to repeat. You were not paying for the game or service so therefore you did not deserve support from another human being. Just like support in other areas of software service you can't expect it to be free. You know that if your iPhone has a problem and you don't have Apple care you can't call their customer service line? Putting support behind a price tag is very common. Just to establish how common this is entire companies have been built around providing discounted support for software or services.

I'm not sure why you'd expect it to be free. ESO support is hidden behind a paywall if you dig a bit further looking at the box fee and it's support is absolutely atrocious.



When's the next DLC for ESO? Oh, we don't know even the slightest? Darn.

@Lionxoft How do you know if I ever paid for the game? Truth is my brother bought the game for me at release as an early Christmas gift back when it was still subscription based. So EA did actually get money for it. However, as first month was not included in the game's purchase, and I was unwilling to pay for a 3rd subscription MMO on top of my WoW and EvE accounts, I never subscribed.

I also stand by my opinion of the game. It is not a dated opinion as it is my current opinion. The facts I base my opinion upon may be dated, however there it is.

You also cannot compare access to help here the same as there. At least here once you buy the game you have forums access. Other FTP MMOs you don't even need a game account, just set up a master account with the publisher in question and you gain forums access. Bottom line, EA should have permitted access to the forums even for free users so they can post their questions and then make informed decisions to as to purchasing additional services and products from the publisher. Even if EA's own support staff do not answer, usually a knowledgeable player will.

Sure there are support companies dedicated to providing cheaper support services in liu of the originating company, however most (in fact EVERY company I have personally talked to), will at least answer basic questions for potential customers as it helps to drive sales. To use your apple example (like I would ever buy crapple), I can go into one of their stores, or a store selling their products and ask questions from the sales staff about the products and services offered to decide if it is worth buying. Furthermore, even if you do not get that support service you mention from apple, you can still get support for you mobile service provider.

(Missed this in your first post, but I was just concerned with clarifying my the purpose of my post since you didn't read the whole thread leading up to it.) On the subject of the cash shop as you put it in your first post, I wouldn't call ESO's cash shop extensive. You want to see extensive, go play Tera. Now that is an extensive cash shop. WoW's is getting to be pretty big too with mounts and pets.

Let's break down the costs of ESO. $60 for the basic game which is pretty standard for a stand alone game these days on any platform that isn't mobile. This is a one time fee that grants you one license to the game and an associated account with the ability to create up to 8 characters on each mega-server. Two servers at this time on the PC, one for NA and one for EU. This grants you a total of 16 character slots.

$15 per month that is 100% optional at your discretion for immaterial perks with no in game conveniences and 1500 Crown Store Credits per month of paid up subscription. The crowns are nice, as you get the same amount that comes from buying the $15 Crowns pack on a monthly basis. That makes the in game bonuses to xp, gold earned, and so forth an essentially free bonus.

$20 for a race AND a mount. For the mount alone that is actually fairly standard pricing in my experience. WoW mounts in cash shop start at $20 and up. Tera store mounts start $30 and up. That makes the Imperial Race 100% freebie bonus. However, I have also been led to understand the Imperial Race wasn't going to be playable at all originally. So to find it included for a little extra money is a nice deal if you want it. (I always found Colovians the most boring race by history with the exception of Tiber Septim.)

Finally, ESO doesn't force you to purchase any of these things if you do not want them. Nor are they required to fully enjoy the entire content available in game beyond the basic box purchase.

I respect that you have your own opinion. I am honestly glad to hear you enjoy SWTOR. However, there isn't any point in defending it to me, nor in presenting your own opinions as facts. (Maybe you didn't mean to, but your wording does that.) Best thing I would advise, is to present your own experiences with other games and your own conclusions from them so when people see Dixa's comments, my own, and yours they will see varied experiences and can draw upon all 3 to make a better call on what to do while awaiting ESO content updates from ZOS.

Finally, who knows, maybe if I met you in game SWTOR you could have answered my question way back when before I even tried to go to the forums to ask my question of the community and stuck around with the game. Lord knows, know one at the time was able or willing to answer it back then. Now, I can't even remember what my question was, just the horrible experience it was.

Maddhawk wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Maddhawk wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

TL;DR
So when was playing the game to unlock things considered a paywall? Both games try to search around our pockets for extra coin but only one of them insists on cornering us to reach into our real wallets for unlocks and that is ESO.

@Lionxoft Maybe it has changed, I dunnu. I am just giving feedback based upon my own experience with the game back in 2013. As far the support experience goes, I had only wanted to ask a question about how the elite/subcriber status perks worked that hadn't been answered in their FAQs so I could make an informed decision to sub or not. I had been somewhat enjoying the game until that point. However, when I couldn't even post a question to the forums to ask without first paying, that pissed me off. At this point, I don't ever care to go back and try their game again. I gave them a fair shot and they blew it.

As to why I am talking about SWTOR on an ESO forum? Read this thread better and you will see someone posted a list of alternative MMOs they were looking at. One guy posted his own mini-reviews of each game based on his experiences and I merely added to it so the OP can make his own decision should he decide ESO isn't the game for him/her.

@Maddhawk Understood but 2013 was quite a while ago and long enough to consider that opinion as one that is not current. That's more extreme of an opinion than saying that ESO sucks now because it requires a subscription. It doesn't but anyone that is not kept current or understands how it works could make that uneducated assumption.

I will say this again and I think it's very important to repeat. You were not paying for the game or service so therefore you did not deserve support from another human being. Just like support in other areas of software service you can't expect it to be free. You know that if your iPhone has a problem and you don't have Apple care you can't call their customer service line? Putting support behind a price tag is very common. Just to establish how common this is entire companies have been built around providing discounted support for software or services.

I'm not sure why you'd expect it to be free. ESO support is hidden behind a paywall if you dig a bit further looking at the box fee and it's support is absolutely atrocious.



When's the next DLC for ESO? Oh, we don't know even the slightest? Darn.

(Snip)

Let's break down the costs of ESO. $60 for the basic game which is pretty standard for a stand alone game these days on any platform that isn't mobile. This is a one time fee that grants you one license to the game and an associated account with the ability to create up to 8 characters on each mega-server. Two servers at this time on the PC, one for NA and one for EU. This grants you a total of 16 character slots.

$15 per month that is 100% optional at your discretion for immaterial perks with no in game conveniences and 1500 Crown Store Credits per month of paid up subscription. The crowns are nice, as you get the same amount that comes from buying the $15 Crowns pack on a monthly basis. That makes the in game bonuses to xp, gold earned, and so forth an essentially free bonus.

$20 for a race AND a mount. For the mount alone that is actually fairly standard pricing in my experience. WoW mounts in cash shop start at $20 and up. Tera store mounts start $30 and up. That makes the Imperial Race 100% freebie bonus. However, I have also been led to understand the Imperial Race wasn't going to be playable at all originally. So to find it included for a little extra money is a nice deal if you want it. (I always found Colovians the most boring race by history with the exception of Tiber Septim.)

Finally, ESO doesn't force you to purchase any of these things if you do not want them. Nor are they required to fully enjoy the entire content available in game beyond the basic box purchase.

I respect that you have your own opinion. I am honestly glad to hear you enjoy SWTOR. However, there isn't any point in defending it to me, nor in presenting your own opinions as facts. (Maybe you didn't mean to, but your wording does that.) Best thing I would advise, is to present your own experiences with other games and your own conclusions from them so when people see Dixa's comments, my own, and yours they will see varied experiences and can draw upon all 3 to make a better call on what to do while awaiting ESO content updates from ZOS.

Finally, who knows, maybe if I met you in game SWTOR you could have answered my question way back when before I even tried to go to the forums to ask my question of the community and stuck around with the game. Lord knows, know one at the time was able or willing to answer it back then. Now, I can't even remember what my question was, just the horrible experience it was.

I understand exactly why the list of different titles was brought forth. You stated that " So many features of the game are behind a pay wall that it is extremely frustrating." but your definition of paywalls is entirely off base making me question whether you actually know what a paywall really is. Just to entertain a bit here. A paywall is a barrier that you can only pass by opening your wallet and making a monetary contribution. Here's a quick apples to apples comparison based on facts not opinion.

For ESO:
Up to $60 box cost - Can enjoy the story and base game. Sub not required.
$15 p/m for all access subscription
$20 for access to one of the best raw statistic races in the game (The Imperial Race is not al a carte at this time)
$19 to play any race in any faction
Up to $25 for a special mount (As an example. See comparison)
$60 for support but KB and forum search options are available.

For the game with a lot of "paywalls" (your opinion lol):
$0 box cost - Can enjoy the story and base game. Sub not required.
$15 p/m for all access subscription
$0 for additional races
$0 to play any race in any faction/class. You unlock this perk by actually playing the game.
$0 to purchase a special mount as they can be bought with in-game credits.
$15 for support but KB and forum search options are available.

Just to take it further to show how flexible these "Paywalls" really are.
$0 to add character slots
$0 for cash shop styles
$0 for bank space
They actually give you the equivalent to "Crowns" just for playing the game and unlocking achievements even as f2p.


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