sKorcheD wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

I feel like you kinda deserve to any incoming flames that you get since this is only going to appear nostalgic for you and anyone else who got to enjoy being an overpowered DK.

If you think LA DKs are the only ones who miss this, you are mistaken

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Etaniel DK [Smurf Squad][Mayhem] Alliance war rank 34 [EU DC]

you been a DK all your ESO life, so yeah you on the side of the overpowered DK pre 1.5 as well, that also goes for none LA DKs, they needed what they got in 1.6

At least he is still rocking with DK despite all the nerfs. Some of em jumped ship. That speaks volumes.

extremely, that admirable, hes not the fotm kinda player he sticks with hes guns

Erondil wrote: »

I think what Etaniel wants to show is that back in 1.5 a group of 8-12 skilled and organized players was able to beat a less skilled-30 men raid while its not possible anymore. I can show you 1.5 footages 12vs50 where the player is not a DK if you don't believe me

Alright. I'll take that at face value.

He's still very wrong (fortunately) as that is exactly the type of PvP I seek out. Nothing pleases me more than to have a group of 8-10 fighting off a group of 20-25.

There are videos on my guild website of perhaps 6 people holding of 20+ from an outpost for like 40 minutes. I think there is a video on there of about 6 wiping at least 15 to 18 in open field combat.

Feigned retreat, evasive maneuvers, coordinated movements, stealth, focus fire, an emphasis on smart and timely revivals, coordinated utlimates, etc. etc.

What you won't find is some guy jumping up and down like a bunny rabbit so he can get attention and draw in pugs like moths to the flame probably muttering "come at me bro".

You can still wreck much larger groups. But as I said, you have to Relearn2P.

...and I don't say that in a mean way, I have friends that can vouch for how many hours I spent on the PTS bracing for a 1.6 full of changes I largely hated to begin with.

Sanct16 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

everyone that thinks DKs were still overpowered in 1.5 were the idiots that kept firing arrows at their wings and didn't heal debuff them

No they we´re only the best grp dd by a wide margin and unbelievable effective against scrubs when compared to the other classes. Hm wait - that might actually fit the description of overpowered. Damn. I´ve not even finished leveling my bow - that explains it i guess.

What made them "the best group dds by a wide margin"? Honestly I don't think this is true. Apart from reflect Dk skills did average damage and playing in group you usually didn't get hit by too many projectiles. Dks were the best class to charge in an facetank many players, definetly. But I don't think that Dks actually did more damage than the other classes.

The combination of devouring Swarm + reflect was incredible against people who fed you Ultimate. On the other hand you were really reliant on this Ultimate. If you watch the video you might notice that he runs low on Stamina quite often. And this is with getting quite a bunch of Stamina from Repentance. Against bad players who just shot projectiles at you while being stacked up in melee range you had no problems. It was an awesome build that was actually different from the normal archetypes.

He ran out of stamina because he didn't build for stamina sustain. He could have cut his damage and get better defense and resource management with it, and it wouldn't have been a weaker build. He simply made his choice and it was viable, but there is no way to argue DKs had low stamina in such situations if he didn't invest a lot in there.

Of course a single good player focused on killing him when he is surrounded by some noobs would likely be impossible to deal with, but because he could drain his stamina, then cc and kill him, not because he was already low .

Nice vid Etaniel!

On a side note, I feel like I need to speak my mind about 1.5 DKs since I see a lot of people are claiming things were balanced back then when in fact they weren't really 100%. This has nothing to do with you or your video, I'm just using your thread as a place to share my opinion on the state of 1.5.

The reason why a dragonknight could do things in 1.5 that no other classes could do (or could only sometimes rarely), was because they simply had dragon scales that shut down all ranged attacks on them for a prolonged period of time (and fired them back at the attackers), and kept feeding you low cost ultimate which then in return kept feeding you more stats and made you go in 'circles' forever and ever. There is nothing impressive about this circle in my opinion, in fact I think it was easy mode when it comes to tanking and 1vX'ing.

This is why I was never truly 'amazed' by seeing a DK tanking 10+ people for prolonged time, because that's what he could do. Try that on a 1.5 sorc with streak (even with the s/b build I've popularized on EU widely last summer) and you will see the cruel reality. You can't do it. Not nearly as effective as a classic DK can.

If you'd take away scales from their arsenal, none of the 1 DK vs 500 people videos would be up. And they would still be a little bit ahead of other classes in terms of 1vX because of their 1.5 battleroar passive.

Now... I'm not the guy who will complain about anything as I am mainly a solo player and DKs were kinda the easiest opponents for me in 1v1 (1.5). I loved fighting them and there was rarely a time anyone could give me trouble, maybe only top players such as Lorion, Dusk etc. occasionally, but usually I wouldn't even bother exiting their standards.

I wish I had a 1.5 DK, I feel like I might have done nicely with him in 1vX...

nice vid bud i miss 1.5 :'(

Etaniel wrote: »

I've adapted to this patch and am still rocking magicka dk,

I read that far. Post a video of that and then maybe I'll give a crap. I've got a VR2 DK I'm still working on...so teach me something.

I have no interest in your 1vX video from a bygone era or your wall of text about whatever the rest of your post was about.

"Live in the now"

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Hey guys, give Etaniel a break, he's a great player and definitely a great 1vX or 1v1 performer. Anyone doubting it, go fight him.

Doesn't matter what he thinks or prefers, he's a great player and that's it.

Ty mage

olemanwinter wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I've adapted to this patch and am still rocking magicka dk,

I read that far. Post a video of that and then maybe I'll give a crap. I've got a VR2 DK I'm still working on...so teach me something.

I have no interest in your 1vX video from a bygone era or your wall of text about whatever the rest of your post was about.

"Live in the now"

yeah well if you don't even bother reading my response I really don't need to prove anything to you

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Back when Bathrobes where stronger than wearing full heavy armor and if you didnt have a staff you may as well not be playing.

Yea, pre 1.6 was the best time for ESO, was so balanced.

you see me holding a staff there? I agree on the light armor though, that's a change i enjoyed in 1.6. Although i'm taking more dmg now in ful heavy than i used to in full light, so it still needs some tweaking

Etaniel wrote: »

yeah well if you don't even bother reading my response I really don't need to prove anything to you

Your OP was a video and like 3 total words of text. lol

And suddenly I'm supposed to read your wall of text? Naw.

Like I said, maybe you were great back then. Hell, maybe you are great now.......so post something from now.

Otherwise, it's just QQing about the current meta.

Let's be clear and logical for a second. Good players can still QQ. Hell, GREAT players can still QQ.

But a post of a video from gameplay from what is effectively an entirely different game (no champion system, stamina completely different, abilities scaling off different pools, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) and then saying how great it was is QQing at best and at worst is something like a 50 year old drinking beers and blathering on about how great of a high school football player he was in 1985.

This is just a 1vX brag video, just like every other one posted in the last year. And that's fine....but usually when someone posts a brag video...it's of the current game :-/

olemanwinter wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

yeah well if you don't even bother reading my response I really don't need to prove anything to you

Your OP was a video and like 3 total words of text. lol

And suddenly I'm supposed to read your wall of text? Naw.

Worst excuse ever

olemanwinter wrote: »

Like I said, maybe you were great back then. Hell, maybe you are great now.......so post something from now.

Otherwise, it's just QQing about the current meta.

I have posted stuff from 1.6

olemanwinter wrote: »

Let's be clear and logical for a second. Good players can still QQ. Hell, GREAT players can still QQ.

But a post of a video from gameplay from what is effectively an entirely different game (no champion system, stamina completely different, abilities scaling off different pools, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) and then saying how great it was is QQing at best and at worst is something like a 50 year old drinking beers and blathering on about how great of a high school football player he was in 1985.

Except it wasn't 30 years ago but 2 months ago, so a lot of people can relate. I didn't ask for a debate of any kind, I just posted a video for people to enjoy, or not. Why a lot of people would be so bitter about it blows my mind tbh

olemanwinter wrote: »

This is just a 1vX brag video, just like every other one posted in the last year. And that's fine....but usually when someone posts a brag video...it's of the current game :-/

It's not 1vX it's group play, and I'll brag about whatever pleases me

At least unlike Sheliza I have video support haha

I'm think 4 ultimate bats would be fun again.

Based off the moaning in this thread, I am guessing you disagree?

Ah 1.5, the good old days of 2 shotting vamps and everyone in LA against my arrows.

I'm curious on how many people in the video still play, and still play as a magicka DK nowadays.

Sanct16 wrote: »

To actually be honest i think the bigger issue is fighting organized groups. Fights like the ones shown in the video where an organized group is fighting loads of pugs is still possible. You can't just keep pushing them in open field but making use of good chokepoints it is no problem.

I have to disagree. Fights like the ones in the video are no longer possible. Fighting twice, maybe 3 times your number is possible, although very hard.

But fighting 5-10 time more is impossible, no matter how good you are and how bad the enemy is.

Ah back before the DK's took the nerf bat to the face 10 times and became pretty much useless as tanks in pvp, thanks zeni did a swell job giving every other class immortality and kicking dk's in the balls.