Nightblade Feedback

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2015

Would love to hear for other Nightblades on this I will be focusing Problem power, morphs and passive. Just to get this all in one place.

Assassination skill line: A

A1 - Ultimate Death Stroke morph Soul Harvest: the bonus for killing while slotted randomly don't apply if you kill with the power it self more of a random bug report

A2 - Assassin's Blade morph Killer's Blade (stamina): deals magic damage and Physical Damage meaning that your stamina build using the Champion System to buff Physical damage will never matter here as it's magic damage

A3 - Teleport Strike Morph Lotus Fan: this power is so bad players really leave it as Teleport Strike unmorphed and here why the DoT damage is only better if you hit 3 people other wise hit Teleport Strike 3 times is faster and better damage somehow. Also the power can't use the passive Master Assassin as it can never hit from stealth for whatever reason.

A4 - Blur Morph Mirage: this power is great as is, but a minor buff to both Armor and Spell resistance will put it on par with Double Take but again it's not weak or broken so not big deal just a thought.

A5 - Mark Target morph Reaper's Mark: with 20% higher health return and Weapon and Spell buff don't know why this power gets so little use don't want to make it OP but something needs to be done here not sure what Honestly but Nightblades that run it feel free to chime in

A6 - Passive: Executioner: 1428 magica restore over 6 seconds after killing with an Assassin power is a weak return more so if your Assassin powers are the Stamina morphs cause you get nothing back

A7 - Passive: Pressure Points: 3% more crit per assassin power with so many powers and passives giving you crit in 1.6 this is no underpowered a change to a damage buff for both magic and stamina users would be far better

Shadow skill line: B

B1 - Ultimate Consuming Darkness morph Veil of Blades: the damage dealing morph to a once great ultimate with a lack of class shields the 60% damage reduction was a God send this was remove to only give 30% to the caster in return for a group heal (that the caster can't get) this is wrong as Consuming Darkness has a healing morph if healing as a focus, when I use Veil I never see people go invisible so they are not using Slip Away so no healing anyways

B2 - Shadow Cloak and all morph do we really need to say this no? ok great

B3 - Path of Darkness and all Morph: so background if you don't know the power could only be seen by the caster and don't pop you out of stealth when casted it was a great speed buff and did it's job now damage was not it's focus however damagve that can't be seen needed to be change but now you pop out of stealth and leave an arrow leading to you as well as the damage and heal being so weak. This power I get the way it was made was unbalance but now it's just not worth the slot a change to Lighting form would be better cause as I understand why the change was mode it has made the power useless for it's intention.

B4 - Summon Shades and all morphs: the four second debuff is great but their are powers the apply the same debuff for longer the last for 20.7 seconds at max but after four second they use light attack so only useful to drain stamina on a perma-blocker.
*Dark Shades debuff don't stack on it self as only one debuff of a kind can be applied but the power has a double debuff

Passives are great as is

Siphoning skill line: C

C1 - Strife would love a stamina morph to this Swallow Souls being better should stay magic but Funnel Health (Physical damage, please killer's blade this) would be great as it heals based on 25% of damage done this would add a Rally (Strife heals for the same amount on a magic build) heal to Dual Wield, One hand and Shield and Bow

C2 - Agony and all morphs: this most hated of Nightblade powers a range Lock down that back be blocked for free, it breaks on damage and does weak damage even on a magic glass canon on top a 1.2 second cast time. It's not even a light attack over Seven seconds the Dragon Knight lock down is unblockable not sure on the cast time but really buff or just remove it's not useful and I really tired to use this power it's just so easy to counter and see coming

C3 - Passive Transfer 2 ultimate on damage with Siphoning one a four second cool down is so Underpowered buff the bonus or something it's just so lame you would have to Spam the hell of Siphon to even see the usefulness of this passive

Please add your feedback cause it's been a long time coming. @ZOS_GinaBruno @Zos

Saft · May 2015

Zenimax need to figure out a way to reduce NB power in PVP, while increase or fix skills to maintain your dmg in PVE.

Its a tricky one,

Darkonflare15 · May 2015

Well I wish they would change A6 and C2. These should of change but for some reason they kept these the same. Well B1 other morph is called Boltering Darkness. It kind of makes sense that this morph boost you defense but I kind of wish the skill could heal you instead of just other players who hit the synergy. I have given up on B2 I really do not use it anymore. I not so sure about A1. A5 I use this all of the time now and before 1.6. Now that the debuff is gone, I feel that it is good but the buff is a little to short for me. I barely can get two hits in before buff disappear other than that this skill is fine. Most of the other things I am fine with or really do not have opinion on.

Lenikus · May 2015

...Well,

Aside from A1, i din't really notice it but if so, a fix is in order;
I disagree several points there....
And the other parts are.... honestly.. its just.... un-important(?).. ? anyway.

A2 - Killer's Blade works fine. no changes needed. Still one of the best, if not best executes out there

A3 - Lotus Fan is an AoE, one of the couple that a nightblade has. It's meant to be a sort of cc/snare. not real damage or gank stuff.

A4 - This one actually is okay, yea, wouldn't mind spell resist, but then again, it's a buff that's not needed, never missed it either

A5 - It's not used because most of the time people simply already got their builds figured out by the time they unlock/read this for the first time. It's an useful skill to those that use it well.

A6 - It's a fancy passive for regen purposes.. it's handy in early game and not harmful in end-game, why change it.

A7 - Fine as it is.

B1 - Veil of Blades is by far one the best ultimates in the game. Everyone inside it gets a buff, Enemies are snared severely and take damage, and allies can emergency-heal. You still get the 60% buff in the Bolstering Darkness morph, wich is the defensive morph with no damage. VoB was op, they balanced it to a still op but understandable level.

B2 - Working perfectly ... all 3 variants. Oky.

B3 - Yes. Path of Darkness and Refreshing Path and.. twisted path? anyway, they are somewhat weak, and again NBs are lacking on the AoE side, but they are still handy to use in a off bar either as a off-heal or some pesky annoyance for enemies, while you still get the bonus armor from that passive if you use it.

B4 - I don't get the problem you have with it ? Anyway, it works great.

C1 - So you want to give NBs a stamina heal ? as the first skill ? Not only unnecessary but also severely OP as tha game is.
Also, the Siphoning tree is focused to healers / magicka DPS Nightblades. the last skill as a Stamina AoE was a favor.

C2 - I love that skill. On PvE it's the best for bosses with pesky adds. you just stand there, and stun something for 30 seconds.
The Wraithz or whatever named, aoe morph is somewhat bugged (casting animation loops, for some reason), but otherwise, that skill, as a stun, works great.

C3 - True... remove the cooldown.
But things to be considered, NB got the cheapest ultimate in game, wich costs only 50, so it's reasonable to have a bit of a strain there

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2015

@Lenikus
A1 is more of a random bug
A2 cost stamina but drops magic damage CP are wasted here
A3 is an Assassin power Master Assassin should apply to it
A4 yea I said as much I use double take cause just Armor buff not worth it
A6 does no harm but it does waste a whole Passive, passives need to be endgame focused a passive thats only useful to level is not useful in endgame
A7 is everywhere armor, CP passives and 10% from expert hunter, Assassin crit is just Redundant

B2 working 3 out of four times means it still fails 25% of the time
B4 after the four second debuff if your enemy is not blocking they don't do anything also one of the morphs should drop a two shades that debuff 15% each and only one debuff can be dropped

C1 far from OP as Two hander has a power thats acts the same way it would just let people use the other weapons the only 2Hd power I really use is rally for a healing buff
C2 only in PvE can't be used in PvP I tired for a two weeks to make it work it's just bad in PvP
C3 that passive just pisses me off to no end it was made for that reason Death Stroke was not add after transfer it needs some major love

altrego9920_ESO · May 2015

How is killers blade one of the best executes? you have jesus beam and Execute from 2 hander that are hands down better and mages get an unlimited execute when target is below 20%

A5 the reason people dont use it is because it is a waste of a slot, to few spots and soon as people see they have it on them they just block. Why waste the time and the sneak attack trying to lower armor?

Tavore1138 · May 2015

Saft wrote: »

Zenimax need to figure out a way to reduce NB power in PVP, while increase or fix skills to maintain your dmg in PVE.

Its a tricky one,

Really?? How is NB overpowered in PvP?

Saft · May 2015

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Saft wrote: »

Zenimax need to figure out a way to reduce NB power in PVP, while increase or fix skills to maintain your dmg in PVE.

Its a tricky one,

Really?? How is NB overpowered in PvP?

You don't PVP mutch i guess :-)

Tavore1138 · May 2015

A fair bit actually, enough to be Colonel rank anyway.

Less since the catastrophe of 2.0 though.

Are you talking about fear the perma-block counter not being blockable or some other area?

Skwor · May 2015

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Saft wrote: »

Zenimax need to figure out a way to reduce NB power in PVP, while increase or fix skills to maintain your dmg in PVE.

Its a tricky one,

Really?? How is NB overpowered in PvP?

No one will take you serious since you obviously do not understand the state of NBs in PVP right now.

Tavore1138 · May 2015

Skwor wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Saft wrote: »

Zenimax need to figure out a way to reduce NB power in PVP, while increase or fix skills to maintain your dmg in PVE.

Its a tricky one,

Really?? How is NB overpowered in PvP?

No one will take you serious since you obviously do not understand the state of NBs in PVP right now.

Lol, true story - I am an NB and thus am aware that we can be very strong in some situations and very squishy in others.

What I am hearing is someone who was foolish enough to get ganked a few times while riding around and doesn't realise that in PvP everyone dies from time to time.

Scamandros · May 2015

Some insight from a magicka nb
Teleport strike left unmorphed is best for magicka single target, well for most situations really. I do like having the option of lotus fan though and think it is a neat idea. Playing around trying to get a trickster build working focusing on being mobile and avoiding damage while keeping an enemy/ies locked down. Lotus fan has its place there, although probably little use in pve.

Blur isnt too bad, your idea is nice. Biggest issue I have with either morph is it gives a dodge chance to evade heals

I liked reapers mark in 1.5 alot, however havent put it back on my bar since. I think that was due to the spell/weapon damage buff being too short to really justify a slot. Also the debuffs dont stack with the 1h&s taunt debuffs, so I only cast mark on boss fights if I have a tank who isnt using pierce armor morph(reduce spell resist). I have a feeling weakness to elements gives spell resist debuff too but I havent checked it out

Executioner I can see why it may not be too useful for pve endgame. But pvp/solo at least thats a little more magicka to go towards an extra cast of invis to run away. Maye you dont notice it as much having 0 spell cost reduction, or maybe you do idk.

I like pressure points how it is, last stam build I ran I got crazy high crit without trying, however on my magicka builds I always could do with just a little bit more without sacrificing key armor sets.

Veilof blades got a nerf yeah, but its still pretty damn good for group support and isnt too shabby on dps. That synergy heal is massive if people know to use it. I think its in a good spot right now.

I think dark cloak is in the best condition its been for a long time, possibly ever. My main grumble is while invis you have no way to tell someone has used a detect pot to see you or if you were brought out of invis by bad luck (enemy magelight, random aoe etc).

Refreshing path isnt the worst skill if specced magicka. Twisting path is somehow still lackluster despite 1.6 patchnotes saying it received buffs to base unmorphed damage, and more to the twisting morph. That said I havent gone back to try it again after adapting to 1.6

It is my personal opinion that stam users do not need more self heal options, especially in the form of HoTs, when its easy enouh to spec for high regen to sustain dodging, while rally and vigor(long time to unlock, but thats a different issue) should be enough to get you through most reasonable situations. Also I enjoy ussing funnel as is in a heal/group support build.

Agony is pretty bad, but I think it does go through block. Had someone try spam it on me, it took me a long time to realize what skill was doing that

Transfer passive is nice. Not rediculously good like it used to be, but it can mean enough extra ulti for another death stroke during a long fight

LEGENDARYYY · May 2015

Scamandros wrote: »

I liked reapers mark in 1.5 alot, however havent put it back on my bar since. I think that was due to the spell/weapon damage buff being too short to really justify a slot. Also the debuffs dont stack with the 1h&s taunt debuffs, so I only cast mark on boss fights if I have a tank who isnt using pierce armor morph(reduce spell resist). I have a feeling weakness to elements gives spell resist debuff too but I havent checked it out

Yes, from what I understand debuffs doesn't stack. This renders both reapers mark and weakness to elements close to useless in situations where you have a tank with you. This must be a flaw and should get fixed.

Pierce armor is a must in my tank builds, and enemies will always have that debuff on them when I tank. Inner Fire is also a choice, but I personally only use Inner Fire offhand in certain dungeons.

DDuke · May 2015

Oh boy... good to get a NB thread like this up finally.

Where to begin...

Killer's Blade (Assassin's Blade morph)

Magic damage. Why?

It makes absolutely no sense. Same could be said about every single ultimate available to NB using magic damage (and thus not benefiting from Mighty passive).

Lotus Fan (Teleport Strike morph)

Make this ability deal full "Teleport Strike" damage to the target it hits, and 50% AoE+DoT damage to people around the target. No one uses this morph in PvP at the moment, since it is much weaker compared to unmorphed version in most scenarios.

Grim Focus

I like the concept, but for better PvP/PvE viability it really should have:
A ) longer duration
B ) charge up from ability use as well (increase charges required for Assassin's Will if necessary)
C ) refresh after using the Assassin's Will triggered ability.

A and/or B would make it viable for PvP, where currently it is never seeing use beyond being a self buff you have to keep applying while stealthed for maximum burst. I don't believe it adds much to the gameplay in that form, and becomes rather tedious when you have to keep reapplying it every 20 seconds just to deal 8% more damage).

C would make it viable for Trials, since you'd have a useful skill to boost your DPS even if there was someone using Combat Prayer on you. Having to go through two GCDs (first buffing yourself, then using the trigger itself once it becomes available) means that you're better off not using it at all in raids.
If it was possible to use the skill at the beginning of fight and then reapply it by using Assassin's Will, it'd become very useful.

Shadow Cloak

Much better than in 1.5, but still very, very buggy.

Things I can confirm that still break Dark Cloak:

Lava Whip (presumably both morphs)
All Charge Attacks
Radiant Destruction (presumably both morphs)

Agony

Still a very useless skill for both PvE & PvP.

Cry_Wolfe · May 2015

Grim Focus on a bow with Weighted is awesome.....

Assassin's Blade cost less than 2H execute and has longer range (iirc it also does better base damage)

Mark is a great solo ability

Ranged Shade is great for mobility.

Utter lack of any real AoE is horrible for NB, ZoE could balance around that idea :P.. i'd happily trade in for more survivability and AoE and lose a little ST dps.

MCMancub · May 2015

Cry_Wolfe wrote: »

Utter lack of any real AoE is horrible for NB, ZoE could balance around that idea :P.. i'd happily trade in for more survivability and AoE and lose a little ST dps.

I would be OK with this, but only if it also came with a buff to DW. Stamina based DW NB is such an atypical, rogue-like build and nerfing NB damage would make it utterly useless as DW is a pretty terrible tree outside of Steel Tornado.

Cry_Wolfe · May 2015

MCMancub wrote: »

Cry_Wolfe wrote: »

Utter lack of any real AoE is horrible for NB, ZoE could balance around that idea :P.. i'd happily trade in for more survivability and AoE and lose a little ST dps.

I would be OK with this, but only if it also came with a buff to DW. Stamina based DW NB is such an atypical, rogue-like build and nerfing NB damage would make it utterly useless as DW is a pretty terrible tree outside of Steel Tornado.

each time i dip into DW i leave disappointed (across all four classes), DW in itself needs a rework (imho).

edit: the only reason (for me) to go DW is for the second enchant, 2H does better AoE and feels like it does better sustained ST dps and for burst (NB) especially from stealth, 2H definitely feels alot better ... 1hit kill 2 mobs (from stealth) at the same time never gets old.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2015

I would love to mix up my bar but some powers are just bad