Lag cheat/exploit

Sharee · May 2015

See all those banners placed? There are no enemies in that spot. No reason to drop them all there, except to create so much lag that all abilities stop working, then you can just pick up the scroll and walk away with it, completely ignoring all defenders. That, in my book, is an exploit.

It's one thing to have natural lag occur during big battles that just happens and you can't prevent, but a completely different thing to intentionally create it. You who do this should be ashamed.

jkemmery · May 2015

Sharee wrote: »

See all those banners placed? There are no enemies in that spot. No reason to drop them all there, except to create so much lag that all abilities stop working, then you can just pick up the scroll and walk away with it, completely ignoring all defenders. That, in my book, is an exploit.

It's one thing to have natural lag occur during big battles that just happens and you can't prevent, but a completely different thing to intentionally create it. You who do this should be ashamed.

Agree 100%
(But I gave it an "Awesome")

Derra · May 2015

Aaand thats the reason why i log off at around 7 in the evening and don´t bother trying to play pvp again before 10:30. It´s unplayable due to intentionally created lag during keep and scrollfights.

I´ve seen every faction use this "tactic" though - so there is nobody special to blame except for maybe the developers of doing nothing about it bc of the all so imporatant console release.

prose08b14a_ESO · May 2015

Derra wrote: »

Aaand thats the reason why i log off at around 7 in the evening and don´t bother trying to play pvp again before 10:30. It´s unplayable due to intentionally created lag during keep and scrollfights.

I´ve seen every faction use this "tactic" though - so there is nobody special to blame except for maybe the developers of doing nothing about it bc of the all so imporatant console release.

What kind of console release are they expecting when one doesn't have to look very hard to find all the *** they refuse to work on that is going to make it into the final product of the release?

Teargrants · May 2015

Sharee wrote: »

See all those banners placed? There are no enemies in that spot. No reason to drop them all there, except to create so much lag that all abilities stop working, then you can just pick up the scroll and walk away with it, completely ignoring all defenders. That, in my book, is an exploit.

It's one thing to have natural lag occur during big battles that just happens and you can't prevent, but a completely different thing to intentionally create it. You who do this should be ashamed.

OP, you're just spouting a load of BS. Those standards are from 1 person trying to drop his 1 standard over and over again. But because the server is already lagged out, his ult does not get depleted and the banner animation keeps playing even though none of those banners are real. Eventually the server catches up and depletes his ult - that is the point that the real banner casts. This is by no means some obscure knowledge, anyone who's been in a lagged out keep since 1.6 and tried to drop ultis knows this is how it works.

Soris · May 2015

prose08b14a_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Aaand thats the reason why i log off at around 7 in the evening and don´t bother trying to play pvp again before 10:30. It´s unplayable due to intentionally created lag during keep and scrollfights.

I´ve seen every faction use this "tactic" though - so there is nobody special to blame except for maybe the developers of doing nothing about it bc of the all so imporatant console release.

What kind of console release are they expecting when one doesn't have to look very hard to find all the *** they refuse to work on that is going to make it into the final product of the release?

Because they need that money from console sales and money is sweeter than honey.

Look at that all those Tamriel Unlimited ads. PvP doesn't even advertised anymore like before. In videos, there is just a couple seconds of alliance war themed battle scene just because it is exists in some form, and the rest of the video is full of pve and such for 3 minutes long. They just gave up from pvp apparently.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · May 2015

Soris wrote: »

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PvP doesn't even advertised anymore like before
...

Still, there's this quote which they won't remove from the presentation page:

The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited is built to accommodate hundreds of players onscreen at once.

Perhaps this will be true for the console versions. For the PC version, not so much. That quote comes pretty close to mockery, a cruel joke at the expense of every PC and Mac player who are wishing in vain for the PvP part of the game to work as advertised.

Makkir · May 2015

..nvm

vortexman11 · May 2015

Sharee wrote: »

See all those banners placed? There are no enemies in that spot. No reason to drop them all there, except to create so much lag that all abilities stop working, then you can just pick up the scroll and walk away with it, completely ignoring all defenders. That, in my book, is an exploit.

It's one thing to have natural lag occur during big battles that just happens and you can't prevent, but a completely different thing to intentionally create it. You who do this should be ashamed.

You don't seem to know how this works, this isn't multiple people dropping multiple banners, when the servers ALREADY lagged out one DK can try to drop his ONE banner multiple times and it'll endlessly copy itself until it eventually works, none of these banners do damage, and sure they add to the lag, but no its not was causes the lag.

Same thing happens with meteor and soul tether, and with almost all ultimates too be honest.

Kupoking · May 2015

LOL same faction again

Tintinabula · May 2015

yea seriously..if you think it's bad now can you imagine all those kids on console?? I wonder if they're following forums so they keep up with all these "skill oriented tactics"

Domander · May 2015

vortexman11 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

See all those banners placed? There are no enemies in that spot. No reason to drop them all there, except to create so much lag that all abilities stop working, then you can just pick up the scroll and walk away with it, completely ignoring all defenders. That, in my book, is an exploit.

It's one thing to have natural lag occur during big battles that just happens and you can't prevent, but a completely different thing to intentionally create it. You who do this should be ashamed.

You don't seem to know how this works, this isn't multiple people dropping multiple banners, when the servers ALREADY lagged out one DK can try to drop his ONE banner multiple times and it'll endlessly copy itself until it eventually works, none of these banners do damage, and sure they add to the lag, but no its not was causes the lag.

Same thing happens with meteor and soul tether, and with almost all ultimates too be honest.

This

jonahnovoanub18_ESO · May 2015

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SC0TY999 · May 2015

It's sad to see this is what EP have to resort too, to take the map!

I was at the temple too and most of the keep defences and all I see is EP are intentionally stacking in massive blobs to lagsploit.

Turelus · May 2015

Blues blame the reds for deliberately creating lag... reds blame the yellows for deliberately creating lag... yellows blame the blues for deliberately creating lag... the cycle of blaming other gamers goes on and on...

Meanwhile at ZOS HQ the developers and programmers who created this mess are lighting their Cuban cigars with hundred dollar bills paid to them by all of those players blaming each other.

Let's be honest here, there are skills which contribute to lag, however I doubt you will find any guilds or groups in ESO PVP which join Cyrodiil every night and go "let's make this as laggy as possible so we can't enjoy it!".
Maybe instead of blaming each other for lag, cheats, exploits, bugs we should actually turn our attention to the people making and maintain the game who don't seem to be able to fix it or give us any information on what's causing it.

Minnesinger · May 2015

Is this happening in Chillrend NA? At least some of the EP acknowledge there is lag (can´t deny it I guess).

Turelus · May 2015

Minnesinger wrote: »

Is this happening in Chillrend NA? At least some of the EP acknowledge there is lag (can´t deny it I guess).

From the name seen in chat I would say EU servers most likely Thornblade.

Minnesinger · May 2015

Turelus wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Is this happening in Chillrend NA? At least some of the EP acknowledge there is lag (can´t deny it I guess).

From the name seen in chat I would say EU servers most likely Thornblade.

OK thanks. I was quick to draw similarities with another EP players. There were several occassions when a defended scroll was taken due to the fact no damage could be done. Those times

Sharee · May 2015

vortexman11 wrote: »

Same thing happens with meteor and soul tether, and with almost all ultimates too be honest.

I am aware that spamming meteors also has the same effect. But with a meteor, the person spamming it at least has the excuse of "I'm trying to damage the enemy". Spamming a standard over and over in a place with no enemies in range has no purpose except to lag out the server.

I am not condemning the use of ultimates, i am condemning the intent behind it.

Turelus · May 2015

Sharee, the EP blame your faction for the same thing, we all blamed AD when they had trains up. Same happens on other campaigns and other servers (NA).

Lag is a crappy part of this game that happens and as I posted previously I doubt many deliberately wants to create it and drive more people away from PVP and the game. If there are playings trying to do it they're players acting alone and very unlikely an entire faction.

I can tell you that if anyone on the War Council TS was caught trying to create lag deliberately they would be thrown off our TS and shunned by our faction. EP spends most of its time blaming the DC for creating lag deliberately to take keeps/scrolls ATM the same way you're blaming EP right now.

Lag happens, everyone hates it. Blame ZOS not the gamers who are paying(or paid) to suffer the same lame effects of it you are.

Sharee · May 2015

Turelus wrote: »

Sharee, the EP blame your faction for the same thing, we all blamed AD when they had trains up. Same happens on other campaigns and other servers (NA).

Just to be clear, even tho the screenshots is showing reds doing this, i am condemning the practice, not any specific person or faction. I am pretty sure it is not limited to EP.

SC0TY999 · May 2015

Turelus wrote: »

Blues blame the reds for deliberately creating lag... reds blame the yellows for deliberately creating lag... yellows blame the blues for deliberately creating lag... the cycle of blaming other gamers goes on and on...

Meanwhile at ZOS HQ the developers and programmers who created this mess are lighting their Cuban cigars with hundred dollar bills paid to them by all of those players blaming each other.

Let's be honest here, there are skills which contribute to lag, however I doubt you will find any guilds or groups in ESO PVP which join Cyrodiil every night and go "let's make this as laggy as possible so we can't enjoy it!".
Maybe instead of blaming each other for lag, cheats, exploits, bugs we should actually turn our attention to the people making and maintain the game who don't seem to be able to fix it or give us any information on what's causing it.

While I agree with some of what you say, if it were the case that the reds weren't unintentionally doing it, then why to they stack as one massive faction blob when they know that it lags the server? Meanwhile they're still able to spam steal tornado which appears to working in the lag fights?

I mean if it's not fun for them then why do it just so they can take the map back?

I would prefer a lag free fight we're 24 man raid would try to take the scroll from an overwhelming odd by using brains and tactics. That would feel like more of an achievement than just lagsploiting, but to be honest I don't think Thorn EU reds are capable of doing much with 24 man raids they only have a handful of decent skilled players that I never see running with the zergs, the rest of the faction has to stacked together to achieve anything (I have video proof) and that's when the lag kicks in.

ItsRejectz · May 2015

What a load of crap.. The server was already lagging and when one or two players was trying to spam thier ult, it lags and dropped loads.

Here is an example of it happening with Meteor.. at 2:43 someone casts Meteor on me and it casts 6 of them on me. The same will of happened in your picture! Sick and tired of people making these posts saying people are intentionally lagging when they are not

https://youtu.be/DmHxeFMPHLg?t=162

Sharee · May 2015

ItsRejectz wrote: »

What a load of crap.. The server was already lagging and when one or two players was trying to spam thier ult, it lags and dropped loads.

Here is an example of it happening with Meteor.. at 2:43 someone casts Meteor on me and it casts 6 of them on me. The same will of happened in your picture! Sick and tired of people making these posts saying people are intentionally lagging when they are not

The person dropping the meteor on your head wanted to kill you. The person dropping the banner in a place with no enemy targets around wanted to cause lag.

ItsRejectz · May 2015

Sharee wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

What a load of crap.. The server was already lagging and when one or two players was trying to spam thier ult, it lags and dropped loads.

Here is an example of it happening with Meteor.. at 2:43 someone casts Meteor on me and it casts 6 of them on me. The same will of happened in your picture! Sick and tired of people making these posts saying people are intentionally lagging when they are not

The person dropping the meteor on your head wanted to kill you. The person dropping the banner in a place with no enemy targets around wanted to cause lag.

How do you know he didn't accidentally press his ult? or that it was lagging so bad that he pressed it when someone was there and it cast it 30+ seconds later?

ESO servers have been laggy since launch, people are now always fast to jump on "They intentionally lagged the server" when most of the time thats utter ****. The simple fact is PvP is one extremely laggy place at times and its all to do with a poorly optimized game, rather than people intentionally lagging the server

Turelus · May 2015

SC0TY999 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Blues blame the reds for deliberately creating lag... reds blame the yellows for deliberately creating lag... yellows blame the blues for deliberately creating lag... the cycle of blaming other gamers goes on and on...

Meanwhile at ZOS HQ the developers and programmers who created this mess are lighting their Cuban cigars with hundred dollar bills paid to them by all of those players blaming each other.

Let's be honest here, there are skills which contribute to lag, however I doubt you will find any guilds or groups in ESO PVP which join Cyrodiil every night and go "let's make this as laggy as possible so we can't enjoy it!".
Maybe instead of blaming each other for lag, cheats, exploits, bugs we should actually turn our attention to the people making and maintain the game who don't seem to be able to fix it or give us any information on what's causing it.

While I agree with some of what you say, if it were the case that the reds weren't unintentionally doing it, then why to they stack as one massive faction blob when they know that it lags the server? Meanwhile they're still able to spam steal tornado which appears to working in the lag fights?

I mean if it's not fun for them then why do it just so they can take the map back?

I would prefer a lag free fight we're 24 man raid would try to take the scroll from an overwhelming odd by using brains and tactics. That would feel like more of an achievement than just lagsploiting, but to be honest I don't think Thorn EU reds are capable of doing much with 24 man raids they only have a handful of decent skilled players that I never see running with the zergs, the rest of the faction has to stacked together to achieve anything (I have video proof) and that's when the lag kicks in.

From someone who is a leader in one of the key War Council (EP Thornblade Alliance) guilds I can tell you that if there was any way to remove lag we would do it in a second. We have been losing members from PVP left and right due to the conditions right now.

As for balling up during lag there are reasons for it none of the ones I hear or leaders use (or have used myself) are for the purpose of creating lag.
On a good night the WC TeamSpeak has two full raids and a some smaller groups all operating together to coordinate their efforts.
If a large force is seen in one area or a key place then it's not uncommon for raid leaders to call all forces to defend that location, in addition you'll often see all the randoms (our name for players without guilds/groups) turn up at that location as well.
So this is indeed going to create lag, unlike in ZOS's fantasy world of PVP it's not always possible to simply go somewhere else on the map to reduce the lag, not if you are trying to win a campaign. The moment large numbers of players clash whether it be with a bomb train or single target groups the lag will come.
Balling up in PVP is still a viable tactic because it's the best way for your healers to keep healing the group, this is especially so when fighting for flags, sadly this does only increase the lag.
When this lag eventually kicks in we also know which skills have the highest success change of working, that's normally AoE skills like Impulse, Steel Tornado, Skill Synergies etc. That's why when lag happens you will often see those skills on your death recaps.

As for bashing the skills of the EU Thornblade Reds I think you would be surprised. We have won fantastic fights in the past outnumbered (as have all factions) and we have a large number of quality players within the War Council. Most of these players however don't play in groups or PVP at all right now because the lag has driven them away. Rob Woods (-Rob) might arguably be one of our best Magicka Nightblades right now, however once the lag hits he will leave PVP and go do vDSA/Sanctum because it's more fun for his stream followers to watch than lag stalled PVP.

I won't stand and try and debate epeen about which faction would be better outside of lag because until ZOS actually fix the issues and we return to (or hopefully surpass) the lag free days of the past there is simply no way to gauge that.

My points in posting in this thread are that I personally am getting tired of the PVP community slinging poo at each other and making us look like petty children rather than serious, fun loving gamers which ZOS should be listening to and helping.

Garion · May 2015

Turelus wrote: »

SC0TY999 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Blues blame the reds for deliberately creating lag... reds blame the yellows for deliberately creating lag... yellows blame the blues for deliberately creating lag... the cycle of blaming other gamers goes on and on...

Meanwhile at ZOS HQ the developers and programmers who created this mess are lighting their Cuban cigars with hundred dollar bills paid to them by all of those players blaming each other.

Let's be honest here, there are skills which contribute to lag, however I doubt you will find any guilds or groups in ESO PVP which join Cyrodiil every night and go "let's make this as laggy as possible so we can't enjoy it!".
Maybe instead of blaming each other for lag, cheats, exploits, bugs we should actually turn our attention to the people making and maintain the game who don't seem to be able to fix it or give us any information on what's causing it.

While I agree with some of what you say, if it were the case that the reds weren't unintentionally doing it, then why to they stack as one massive faction blob when they know that it lags the server? Meanwhile they're still able to spam steal tornado which appears to working in the lag fights?

I mean if it's not fun for them then why do it just so they can take the map back?

I would prefer a lag free fight we're 24 man raid would try to take the scroll from an overwhelming odd by using brains and tactics. That would feel like more of an achievement than just lagsploiting, but to be honest I don't think Thorn EU reds are capable of doing much with 24 man raids they only have a handful of decent skilled players that I never see running with the zergs, the rest of the faction has to stacked together to achieve anything (I have video proof) and that's when the lag kicks in.

From someone who is a leader in one of the key War Council (EP Thornblade Alliance) guilds I can tell you that if there was any way to remove lag we would do it in a second. We have been losing members from PVP left and right due to the conditions right now.

As for balling up during lag there are reasons for it none of the ones I hear or leaders use (or have used myself) are for the purpose of creating lag.
On a good night the WC TeamSpeak has two full raids and a some smaller groups all operating together to coordinate their efforts.
If a large force is seen in one area or a key place then it's not uncommon for raid leaders to call all forces to defend that location, in addition you'll often see all the randoms (our name for players without guilds/groups) turn up at that location as well.
So this is indeed going to create lag, unlike in ZOS's fantasy world of PVP it's not always possible to simply go somewhere else on the map to reduce the lag, not if you are trying to win a campaign. The moment large numbers of players clash whether it be with a bomb train or single target groups the lag will come.
Balling up in PVP is still a viable tactic because it's the best way for your healers to keep healing the group, this is especially so when fighting for flags, sadly this does only increase the lag.
When this lag eventually kicks in we also know which skills have the highest success change of working, that's normally AoE skills like Impulse, Steel Tornado, Skill Synergies etc. That's why when lag happens you will often see those skills on your death recaps.

As for bashing the skills of the EU Thornblade Reds I think you would be surprised. We have won fantastic fights in the past outnumbered (as have all factions) and we have a large number of quality players within the War Council. Most of these players however don't play in groups or PVP at all right now because the lag has driven them away. Rob Woods (-Rob) might arguably be one of our best Magicka Nightblades right now, however once the lag hits he will leave PVP and go do vDSA/Sanctum because it's more fun for his stream followers to watch than lag stalled PVP.

I won't stand and try and debate epeen about which faction would be better outside of lag because until ZOS actually fix the issues and we return to (or hopefully surpass) the lag free days of the past there is simply no way to gauge that.

My points in posting in this thread are that I personally am getting tired of the PVP community slinging poo at each other and making us look like petty children rather than serious, fun loving gamers which ZOS should be listening to and helping.

If you're a part of the red shite show on EU TB right now your opinion means just about sweet FA.

Sharee · May 2015

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

What a load of crap.. The server was already lagging and when one or two players was trying to spam thier ult, it lags and dropped loads.

Here is an example of it happening with Meteor.. at 2:43 someone casts Meteor on me and it casts 6 of them on me. The same will of happened in your picture! Sick and tired of people making these posts saying people are intentionally lagging when they are not

The person dropping the meteor on your head wanted to kill you. The person dropping the banner in a place with no enemy targets around wanted to cause lag.

How do you know he didn't accidentally press his ult?

12 times?

ToRelax · May 2015

If you stack up and spam AoE like your enemies, be at least honest, you are triggering the server to lag just like them.

NukeAllTheThings · May 2015

Sharee wrote: »

See all those banners placed? There are no enemies in that spot. No reason to drop them all there, except to create so much lag that all abilities stop working, then you can just pick up the scroll and walk away with it, completely ignoring all defenders. That, in my book, is an exploit.

It's one thing to have natural lag occur during big battles that just happens and you can't prevent, but a completely different thing to intentionally create it. You who do this should be ashamed.

There is an enemy right next to it along with dead enemies around it. I know you want to frame this as a group standing around spamming an ultimate to lag the server, but it doesn't match up with reality. Next time you might actually record what is going on, works much better than a screenshot. Then again, video wouldn't back your claim.

eliisra · May 2015

You do this:

1. Blame enemy raid for the lag
2. Blame enemy randoms dropping Meteors

They're clearly trying to lag out the server on purpose (and cause 50k fall dmg)!

Sometimes there's just not enough zerging enemies nearby. So you need to dig deeper finding the culprit:

4. Blame the other ally raid for the lag, clearly that train is spamming more dirt than our victimized large raid
5. Blame random herd of allies dropping Meteors, tell them to go somewhere else

One's own group or raid is never responsible for any of it

Fair enough, sometimes factions do know that their actions (like bringing 50-60 players to a fight) will cause massive lag and make the game somewhat unplayable. They still do it, they dont give a ***, winning is more important than enjoyable PvP. But that's not the same thing as intentionally trying to cause lag.

Remember that all large raids suffers from this delusion, where they "know" 100% forsure they would win even faster if the lag was gone lol.