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Why do some still call magicka NB weak?

  • Erondil
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    Zhoyzu wrote: »
    Araxleon wrote: »
    Please show us? 4k conceal's with crappy DoT's not counting nirnhoned/CP reduc mag damage.... WOOT SUCH DAMAGE.

    I myself lost hope in magic NB... no burst capability without stacking SD/Magic and using proxy, ONLY way I've seen it done.

    So please show us, I believe there is still a light.... somewhere.... in there

    what faction are you? Meet up with me, and you'll see a world of pure imagination <3
    in all seriousness I can *try* to record some clips but Im new to it . but we can meet up and show ya

    *** id like to know. EP o'er here.

    Is Magicka NB plausible in pve? other then sap tanking havent really seen magicka be useful in pve

    In PvE NB healer is actually very good. Destro dd is ok aswell but wont have as much dps as a stam.
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    rekt you NB AD, AvA 32
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  • Zhoyzu
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    Erondil wrote: »
    Zhoyzu wrote: »
    Araxleon wrote: »
    Please show us? 4k conceal's with crappy DoT's not counting nirnhoned/CP reduc mag damage.... WOOT SUCH DAMAGE.

    I myself lost hope in magic NB... no burst capability without stacking SD/Magic and using proxy, ONLY way I've seen it done.

    So please show us, I believe there is still a light.... somewhere.... in there

    what faction are you? Meet up with me, and you'll see a world of pure imagination <3
    in all seriousness I can *try* to record some clips but Im new to it . but we can meet up and show ya

    *** id like to know. EP o'er here.

    Is Magicka NB plausible in pve? other then sap tanking havent really seen magicka be useful in pve

    In PvE NB healer is actually very good. Destro dd is ok aswell but wont have as much dps as a stam.

    would it pull 10k dps to make trials groups happy or am i better off trying to heal for that ***. i like tanking with it but i suppose the more versatile i can be, the better. Ive also never felt like resto was good for healing all it really has is healing springs, but then again maybe im looking at it incorrectly.
    Edited by Zhoyzu on May 12, 2015 10:15PM
    Zhoyzu - Nightblade Alchemist (v15) RETIRED
    Has-No-Heart - Templar Enchanter (v4) FUBAR
    Ambadassador - Dragon knight (v1) Naked with no future (returned from the naked realm to tank PvE)
    Sakis Tolis - Sorceror (v10 in progress) Living Legend!

    Xuhl'Xotuun - Warden Current Main as im starting the game over essentially with this character aside from crafting.

    Creator of Khajiit fall dmg reduction racial passive concept.

  • Erondil
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    Zhoyzu wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Zhoyzu wrote: »
    Araxleon wrote: »
    Please show us? 4k conceal's with crappy DoT's not counting nirnhoned/CP reduc mag damage.... WOOT SUCH DAMAGE.

    I myself lost hope in magic NB... no burst capability without stacking SD/Magic and using proxy, ONLY way I've seen it done.

    So please show us, I believe there is still a light.... somewhere.... in there

    what faction are you? Meet up with me, and you'll see a world of pure imagination <3
    in all seriousness I can *try* to record some clips but Im new to it . but we can meet up and show ya

    *** id like to know. EP o'er here.

    Is Magicka NB plausible in pve? other then sap tanking havent really seen magicka be useful in pve

    In PvE NB healer is actually very good. Destro dd is ok aswell but wont have as much dps as a stam.

    would it pull 10k dps to make trials groups happy or am i better off trying to heal for that ***. i like tanking with it but i suppose the more versatile i can be, the better. Ive also never felt like resto was good for healing all it really has is healing springs, but then again maybe im looking at it incorrectly.

    Yes you can have more than 10k dps. Harder than with stam or magicka sorc/dk tho.
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    rekt you NB AD, AvA 32
    Erondil Sorc AD, AvA 23
    Denne the Banana Slayer NB EP, AvA 14
    Darth Dennegor lv50 Stamina NB DC, AvA 19
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  • Sypher
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    Assuming we are talking about equally skilled players.

    1v1 - Mana NB > Stam NB (mainly because of undodgable concealed)

    1vX - Stam NB > Mana NB (mainly because of survivability from dodge roll and reliable burst damage)
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  • Bouvin
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    Nirnhoned armor traits.
  • Zhoyzu
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    Erondil wrote: »
    Zhoyzu wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Zhoyzu wrote: »
    Araxleon wrote: »
    Please show us? 4k conceal's with crappy DoT's not counting nirnhoned/CP reduc mag damage.... WOOT SUCH DAMAGE.

    I myself lost hope in magic NB... no burst capability without stacking SD/Magic and using proxy, ONLY way I've seen it done.

    So please show us, I believe there is still a light.... somewhere.... in there

    what faction are you? Meet up with me, and you'll see a world of pure imagination <3
    in all seriousness I can *try* to record some clips but Im new to it . but we can meet up and show ya

    *** id like to know. EP o'er here.

    Is Magicka NB plausible in pve? other then sap tanking havent really seen magicka be useful in pve

    In PvE NB healer is actually very good. Destro dd is ok aswell but wont have as much dps as a stam.

    would it pull 10k dps to make trials groups happy or am i better off trying to heal for that ***. i like tanking with it but i suppose the more versatile i can be, the better. Ive also never felt like resto was good for healing all it really has is healing springs, but then again maybe im looking at it incorrectly.

    Yes you can have more than 10k dps. Harder than with stam or magicka sorc/dk tho.

    teach me >_>
    Zhoyzu - Nightblade Alchemist (v15) RETIRED
    Has-No-Heart - Templar Enchanter (v4) FUBAR
    Ambadassador - Dragon knight (v1) Naked with no future (returned from the naked realm to tank PvE)
    Sakis Tolis - Sorceror (v10 in progress) Living Legend!

    Xuhl'Xotuun - Warden Current Main as im starting the game over essentially with this character aside from crafting.

    Creator of Khajiit fall dmg reduction racial passive concept.

  • Cthalion
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    Sypher wrote: »
    Assuming we are talking about equally skilled players.

    1v1 - Mana NB > Stam NB (mainly because of undodgable concealed)

    1vX - Stam NB > Mana NB (mainly because of survivability from dodge roll and reliable burst damage)


    That basically sums it up, right there. Spoke by someone who knows.

    Magicka might be harder to excel at, hence the perception that it is somehow weaker. Not the case.
    Kosmoko.
    Stamina NB since 4-4-14.
  • iliatha
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    Zhoyzu wrote: »
    teach me >_>

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/167232/magicka-nb-endgame-dd-arena-heiler-pvp-und-daily-dungeon-tank-auch-zum-lvl-geeignet

    15-18k on SO hardmode / AA hardmode / Manticora. Dont know how many stamina NBs can do that.
    Edited by iliatha on May 13, 2015 10:32AM
  • TheBucket
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    Sypher wrote: »
    Assuming we are talking about equally skilled players.

    1v1 - Mana NB > Stam NB (mainly because of undodgable concealed)

    1vX - Stam NB > Mana NB (mainly because of survivability from dodge roll and reliable burst damage)

    I don't agree with this.

    Maybe it's because I'm a Magic NB, but the ability to cloak and use HW gives it an advantage in the current meta where more DK's are running Whip, and other classes with Proxy.
    William Reignes
    Magic Nightblade - Rogue Bomber
    Creator of Thirsty Thief Build (Retired 1.5)
  • Zhoyzu
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    Zhoyzu wrote: »
    teach me >_>

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/167232/magicka-nb-endgame-dd-arena-heiler-pvp-und-daily-dungeon-tank-auch-zum-lvl-geeignet

    15-18k on SO hardmode / AA hardmode / Manticora. Dont know how many stamina NBs can do that.

    *** i cant read any of that but at least i can try google translate (if it even works)

    I appreciate it though its much more to work off of than being in the dark.
    Zhoyzu - Nightblade Alchemist (v15) RETIRED
    Has-No-Heart - Templar Enchanter (v4) FUBAR
    Ambadassador - Dragon knight (v1) Naked with no future (returned from the naked realm to tank PvE)
    Sakis Tolis - Sorceror (v10 in progress) Living Legend!

    Xuhl'Xotuun - Warden Current Main as im starting the game over essentially with this character aside from crafting.

    Creator of Khajiit fall dmg reduction racial passive concept.

  • Sypher
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    TheBucket wrote: »
    Sypher wrote: »
    Assuming we are talking about equally skilled players.

    1v1 - Mana NB > Stam NB (mainly because of undodgable concealed)

    1vX - Stam NB > Mana NB (mainly because of survivability from dodge roll and reliable burst damage)

    I don't agree with this.

    Maybe it's because I'm a Magic NB, but the ability to cloak and use HW gives it an advantage in the current meta where more DK's are running Whip, and other classes with Proxy.


    Which part don't you agree with?
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  • TheBucket
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    Sypher wrote: »

    1vX - Stam NB > Mana NB (mainly because of survivability from dodge roll and reliable burst damage)

    I don't agree with this.

    Maybe it's because I'm a Magic NB, but the ability to cloak and use HW gives it an advantage in the current meta where more DK's are running Whip, and other classes with Proxy.


    Which part don't you agree with?

    That part.. To many abilities going through dodge right now and it seems like the Meta is changing to use these abilities and stack the damage for them.
    Edited by TheBucket on May 14, 2015 3:11AM
    William Reignes
    Magic Nightblade - Rogue Bomber
    Creator of Thirsty Thief Build (Retired 1.5)
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