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Enchanter Hirelings Need Re-tuning?

black-gryphonb14_ESO
Since 1.6 and all the changes to hirelings, the Enchanter Hireling has in my opinion become worthless as is: No more yellows at all (the other hirelings give them though not nearly as often), and comparatively speaking, they give a pittance compared to the possibility of 5 materials, trait stones and improvements. Add in the fact it's not uncommon to get Ta from 7 of 10 Aspect runes or that the enchanter hireling might only give you only one or two runes with no aspect rune (this on a 3/3 Hireling)

Edit: corrected spelling in title
Edited by black-gryphonb14_ESO on May 13, 2015 4:17AM
Aaelefein, a Veteran Templar of the 14th Level seeking to complete his Master Crafter Certification but still needs to finish exploring Craglorn in order to acquire all the knowledge pertaining to the Nirnhoned Trait.

Enchanter Hirelings Need Re-tuning? 97 votes

Leave the Enchanter Hireling alone
11%
CallunaGaldorPAlienSlofAngryNordidks7732425ub17_ESOBuggeXvovus69IluvrienAlnilamEdeleted221205-002626 11 votes
Eliminate the Enchanter Hireling for another Passive? Ideas?
2%
BarsForTheRealm 2 votes
Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
47%
SlayerSyrenaNixesThymosRook_Masterbloodenragedb14_ESOboilers61b14_ESOZhoyzuIllumousGlassHalfFullMercyKillingBrawnTaonnorMoonshadow66AballisterNebthet78heledironjelliedsoupNhs1982rwb17_ESOSoulScreamLaerothKeykalyn 46 votes
Boost/Guarantee at least one of each Rune and eliminate Ta from the generator
30%
NestorSirAndywayfarerxblack-gryphonb14_ESOPsychobunniDiviniusSavettiemre.as.aslanb16_ESOGigasaxKhenarthiBillyMailmanAnath_QMarsgodofwarphreatophiletengriDrizztSHADOW2KKFireCowCommandodavedesignsAnhedonie 30 votes
Some other boost to the enchanter hireling, possibly better than white glyphs?
3%
FooWasHereRomoAnemonean 3 votes
Don't really care, I'm not an Enchanter
2%
DavadinLenikus 2 votes
Something else? Ideas?
3%
SlurgleeuxMenelaos 3 votes
  • Valymer
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    I've gotten Kuta from enchanter hireling, but it's very rare
  • BrassRazoo
    BrassRazoo
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    Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
    Considering I have had 8 maxed Enchanters (maxed being 7 x lvl40+ and 1 lvl 50) for over 12 months and NEVER received a Kuta, then yes do something.
  • felinith66
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    Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
    Since 1.6 I've never got one from my hireling. And since 1.6 I've got a total of 1 kuta from enchanting writs.
  • Valymer
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    I've gotten at least two Kuta since 1.6 from enchanter hirelings.
  • black-gryphonb14_ESO
    Boost/Guarantee at least one of each Rune and eliminate Ta from the generator
    I too used to see 2-3 Kuta's per week from my 4x Enchanter Hirelings (3/3) before 1.6 . Since 1.6 I've seen a total of 2 Kuta's - one from a Crafting writ and one from a Aspect Node...and even they seem to be farer and fewer between. Could always count on the latter to give 1 a day when I was spending 8-12 hours playing and hitting every resource node I came across.

    The other reason I made this poll...I find it very odd that with the boost they gave to Provisioner and removing Kuta's from the Enchanter Hireling...that you can get hit with only one or 2 runes and no aspect rune when having a Enchanter Hireling of 3/3 - whereas with the rest (Blacksmith, Woodworker, Clothier) you always get 5 level specific crafting materials and more often than not, much much more. And I don't think I have to describe Provisioner that now always gives 2 items x20 plus a chance of a 3-5 of the rare foods.

    Enchanter is hard enough...this certainly has, if not more difficult, certainly made it more frustrating.

    While I voted for #4 in my poll, I think it should be a combination of #3 and #4 - give Kuta's a chance of being acquired via Hirelings again, at a minimum always get 1 of each rune with a chance for more and or a non-white glyph, and remove Ta's from the random generator for the fact is Ta's are way too prevalent in Aspect nodes now: Got a new VR1 toon in Kenarthi's Roost (I think the best or second best place to farm runes) and in one day: 39 Ta's, 3 Jejota's, 3 Denata's and 1 Rekuta with no Kuta's. Maybe I'm wrong or extremely unlucky, but that seems unbalanced in my opinion.
    Aaelefein, a Veteran Templar of the 14th Level seeking to complete his Master Crafter Certification but still needs to finish exploring Craglorn in order to acquire all the knowledge pertaining to the Nirnhoned Trait.
  • Nova Sky
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    [joking] Now available in the Crown Store — kuta! For the low, low price of a mere 200 crowns ... (oh, I seriously hope this *never* materializes)! [/joking]
    "Wheresoever you go, go with all of your heart."
  • Faulgor
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    Enchanting as a whole needs re-tuning.
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  • BuggeX
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    Leave the Enchanter Hireling alone
    since 1.6 i got about 5 kutas from the hireling (about 40mails.)
    #makemagickadkgreataigan
    #givemeaexecute
    #ineedheal
    #betterhotfixgrindspots
  • AngryNord
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    Leave the Enchanter Hireling alone
    I get a Kuta now and again, and Rekuta almost every time - makes me shitloads of gold :P
  • riverdragon72
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    Ta is the new Kuta
    Meh...**** it..
  • black-gryphonb14_ESO
    Boost/Guarantee at least one of each Rune and eliminate Ta from the generator
    BuggeX wrote: »
    since 1.6 i got about 5 kutas from the hireling (about 40mails.)

    I have always wondered in this game and others if there is some sort of correlation between user name and the RNG - so I suppose it's theoretically possible...at that rate I should be getting one a day from my hirelings (4 toons each with a 3/3 Enchanter Hireling - so 8 mails a day means in 5 days I could/should have gotten 1 a day) - it also suggests that the RNG needs some serious looking at if it can get that far out of balance because as Charlie from Numb3rs would say, "it's possible, but highly unlikely which would suggest an error in the RNG formula or tampering."
    Aaelefein, a Veteran Templar of the 14th Level seeking to complete his Master Crafter Certification but still needs to finish exploring Craglorn in order to acquire all the knowledge pertaining to the Nirnhoned Trait.
  • BuggeX
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    Leave the Enchanter Hireling alone
    BuggeX wrote: »
    since 1.6 i got about 5 kutas from the hireling (about 40mails.)

    I have always wondered in this game and others if there is some sort of correlation between user name and the RNG - so I suppose it's theoretically possible...at that rate I should be getting one a day from my hirelings (4 toons each with a 3/3 Enchanter Hireling - so 8 mails a day means in 5 days I could/should have gotten 1 a day) - it also suggests that the RNG needs some serious looking at if it can get that far out of balance because as Charlie from Numb3rs would say, "it's possible, but highly unlikely which would suggest an error in the RNG formula or tampering."

    Mby, but still i think ist just luck, i have done 60-70 Gold plegde and 15-20 coa vet. Not a *** single helm dropped, and just 3 (usefull)shoulders from the chest....

    same with the Crux farmin in upper crag, gildes can farm 2-3hour for 1 Crux, i go up 1 hour and leave with min 3 :p
    Edited by BuggeX on May 13, 2015 6:52AM
    #makemagickadkgreataigan
    #givemeaexecute
    #ineedheal
    #betterhotfixgrindspots
  • Menelaos
    Menelaos
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    Something else? Ideas?
    Given the investment of three skill points for the Hireling, I think each crafting profession with a Hireling passive should receive some love. And yes, you could argue for eliminating Ta runes once the Hireling is skilled 3/3.
    ...und Gallileo dreht sich doch!
  • Lenikus
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    Don't really care, I'm not an Enchanter
    If any Hireling needs some work, they all do, it seems they are giving out gold stuff very rarely, but purple ones way more often than green or blue '-'

    ...Still not one Tempering Alloy, tho'.
    ... Mai cave. >:3
  • Moonshadow66
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    Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
    Kuta, please!
    (It's funny that the color of the voting option for Kuta is yellow ;))

    I wouldn't mind Ta disappearing from the game either, I have STACKS of them and gave away even more stacks of them already, I HATE them. The only thing they're good for is translating all the other runes; after this they're completely useless.
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  • GaldorP
    GaldorP
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    Leave the Enchanter Hireling alone
    There still is a low chance to get Kuta from the hireling (very low though).

    The change with 1.6 made legendary mats from all types of hirelings much rarer and thus crafting writs more important.

    I think that's a good change because now you have to at least do a 2 minute quest for a better chance to get a legendary material. Before 1.6, people would just log in with 8 characters that had all professions maxed and get legendary materials for doing nothing. Hirelings maybe were even the main source for legendary materials in the game. If just logging in a character once per day, not playing the game, becomes one of the main sources for the rarest (the only rare) crafting components in the game, that encourages people to not play the game and just log in once per day instead. An MMOG is "alive" when many people actually play the game so any mechanics that circumvent playing the game are ultimately detrimental to it, in my opinion. I'm saying this as someone who has 4 VR characters with all professions and hirelings maxed.

    The new system doesn't really bother people who have just one main crafter for each profession. You can still do the crafting writ in a few minutes and have a good chance to get a Kuta. But doing all the writs with 8 characters per day now requires some actual effort so people with 8 maxed chars don't just get a ton of legendary materials for free.

    That being said, even if you don't get any Kutas from your hireling, the skill isn't useless. On the EU server, Kuras right now sell for 490 gold each, Kudes for 80 gold, Jejota for 30 gold, Denata 120 gold, Rekuta for 700 gold. Maybe 200 gold average just for logging in your character is a fair reward, in my opinion :)
  • SirAndy
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    Boost/Guarantee at least one of each Rune and eliminate Ta from the generator
    RNG must like me, this was in the very first coffer i got on my level 16 alt after completing the certification ...

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  • Iluvrien
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    Leave the Enchanter Hireling alone
    I have no problem with the distribution of Kuta runes. I expect to get them from writs, not Hirelings, and I like this.

    It feels like the active process that I am undertaking (crafting runes for writs... which also uses Ta runes) is more rewarding than the utterly passive action of just logging in a couple of times a day.

    Enchanting isn't easy. It isn't supposed to be easy, that is one reason I value my character's mastery of it about 4-5 times more than any other craft.
  • I_killed_Vivec
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    I'd prefer a boost to the "doing something" rewards - writs, survey reports and just finding them in the wild.

    Hirelings are too passive for me.

    Though I admit I might be biased by the people with 8 hirelings who "expect" 5 or 6 kuta a week... they should have my luck with RNG and see only one a month!
  • Aballister
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    Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
    If they have been removed completely, then I'd vote for them to be put back in, but they should be rare. You really shouldn't be able to gain access to top tier crafting mats, by just putting a few points in hirelings.
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  • Islyn
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    RNG must like me, this was in the very first coffer i got on my level 16 alt after completing the certification ...

    post-2-1431503238_thumb.jpg

    And enjoy it. Was your first and last ! xD
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  • Drizzt
    Drizzt
    Soul Shriven
    Boost/Guarantee at least one of each Rune and eliminate Ta from the generator
    Kuta are fine, I always had only one crafter and got lots of Kuta from writs and hirelings more than 10 since 1.6. It's almost like having only one character with hirelings improve RNG. (Would lol so hard if that was true. For all the hireling farmers.)
    So not so bad to get them more from writs than hirelings so you don't get Kuta from doing nothing on 8 characters.

    Anyway I think you could still delete those ta from hireling because I don't pay my hireling to get me useless Ta rune which are only used to do writs and you already get so many of them from nodes.
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  • Calluna
    Calluna
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    Leave the Enchanter Hireling alone
    What I get from my enchanter hirelings seems on par with what I get from my other hirelings so unless they boost everything I think they should just leave it the way it is. What they really need to look into is improving crafting writs for clothing, blacksmithing and woodworking. Doing those writs is a total waste of time and materials especial compared to what you can obtain by doing consumable writs.
  • asteldian
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    I would like to see a rebalance in potency runes. I seem to get a disproportionate number of Kuda when in reality Kura are used far more often.
  • Leeric
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    Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
    I usually check once a day, and I have never received one since 1.6, so yah, something needs to done. Its pretty ridiculous. And the enchanter surveys also have gave me 0 kuta as well....
  • Robotmafia
    Robotmafia
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    Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
    never seen a kuta from hireling
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  • Sacadon
    Sacadon
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    Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
    Since a lot are saying more Kuta, ZOS is probably saying...

    Well that confirms it... Decreasing frequency of the Kuta (& other gold mats) in hirelings was certainly the right economic lever to adjust in order to keep them rare, and continually having work to obtain them through daily activities like farming and writs vs. fire-and-forget.

    Hirelings is still a good idea, but once you've maxed 8 toons the amount of gold mats we were storing up was huge. So I think ZOS made a change before there was too much impact to economy/prices, but if they didn't it would've been inevitable. It's what happens when there's greater supply than demand.

    So while I do want an increase in Kuta frequency in hirelings, I don't think it's good for the game to go back to the frequency we had before. Maybe increase it slightly and then watch people's inventory for a while and see how the supply levels evolve.
  • Rook_Master
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    Place Kuta's back in the random mail generator
    The drop rate of Legendary Tempers from all hirelings should be raised back to pre-1.6 levels.

    Pre-1.6 I got a steady stream of gold tempers, enough to sustain myself. Now I hardly get any at all.

    It's such a stupid way to force people to do crafting dailies. I absolutely refuse. I front-loaded the time investment by leveling my crafts so I didn't have to gather mats and do these garbage dailies.
  • stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO
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    A problem is that many of the Kuta hoarders appear to have stopped playing, effectively removing their entire stash from the game economy.
  • AlnilamE
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    Leave the Enchanter Hireling alone
    I've gotten at least on Kuta from hirelings since 1.6. Possibly more, but I don't keep that much track of it. I've gotten several from the writs as well.

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