No children in ESO! Hermaeus Mora knows why!

Muizer · March 2015

But...............the hatching did happen, didn't it?

Samadhi · March 2015

Remember in the novels where the floating city from the Oblivion realms was producing fully grown people and pumping them out as a population base.
Maybe we are trapped in some elaborate torture in the Hall of Torment, and daedra are unable to replicate children.

Zershar_Vemod · March 2015

Jeremy wrote: »

If I had to guess: it would be because of the Justice System. Allowing players to run around murdering children might be a little too much for the developers.

Who says they had to be murdered? Give them god mode like the guards and then have them run off screaming for help.

I mean, hell, Skyrim originally had murder-able children as a default until a few vocal people whined saying that the game would cause real child murders IRL lol...and that is why you need to use a command or a mod to re-enable that.

Gidorick · March 2015

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

If I had to guess: it would be because of the Justice System. Allowing players to run around murdering children might be a little too much for the developers.

Who says they had to be murdered? Give them god mode like the guards and then have them run off screaming for help.

This is pretty much how I think. Make the kids immortal, immune to skill/spell effects, and FAST... and have them run off seeking a guards help. Attempt to kill a kid? Immediate KOS.

Necrelios · March 2015

On occasion I will "aquire" a few little items like this which seem to mention children in some form or another:

There seems to be rather compelling evidence strewn throughout Tamriel leaning towards the existence of children in this timeline... the question is, where are they now? Where did they go, and when are they coming back? We know they have to return sometime before the next Dragon War as there are children in Skyrim. Perhaps the dragons have something to do with this?

Roechacca · March 2015

Oh there's kids alright . Their just making toons to look like adults .

Iago · March 2015

Necrelios wrote: »

On occasion I will "aquire" a few little items like this which seem to mention children in some form or another:

There seems to be rather compelling evidence strewn throughout Tamriel leaning towards the existence of children in this timeline... the question is, where are they now? Where did they go, and when are they coming back? We know they have to return sometime before the next Dragon War as there are children in Skyrim. Perhaps the dragons have something to do with this?

I assume all three alliances sold their children into slavery in Akavir to fund their war. Then once the war is over all three alliances will go.to Akavir and take their children back.

Roechacca · March 2015

Necrelios wrote: »

On occasion I will "aquire" a few little items like this which seem to mention children in some form or another:

There seems to be rather compelling evidence strewn throughout Tamriel leaning towards the existence of children in this timeline... the question is, where are they now? Where did they go, and when are they coming back? We know they have to return sometime before the next Dragon War as there are children in Skyrim. Perhaps the dragons have something to do with this?

That looks nothing like a Guar . No wonder the kids left .

Arato · March 2015

There should be kids in TES games and ESO, they just need to not be obnoxious like the ones in Skyrim. You know "children should be seen, not heard". Basically only there to make the world feel a bit more real. In Skyrim it's like the devs wanted to taunt us with the fact that you could not attack children by making you WANT to attack them with such lines as "oh great, another wanderer here to lick my father's boots... good job" Shut up punk, I'm downloading a mod right now so I can make you a colorful smear on the ground, then you'll be sorry you said that....

GW2 manages to have children in it that are cute, not obnoxious.

Gidorick · March 2015

Roechacca wrote: »

Necrelios wrote: »

On occasion I will "aquire" a few little items like this which seem to mention children in some form or another:

There seems to be rather compelling evidence strewn throughout Tamriel leaning towards the existence of children in this timeline... the question is, where are they now? Where did they go, and when are they coming back? We know they have to return sometime before the next Dragon War as there are children in Skyrim. Perhaps the dragons have something to do with this?

That looks nothing like a Guar . No wonder the kids left .

Is this better?

Also, I think the writers got bored writing these descriptions.

Zershar_Vemod · March 2015

There are a lot of child-centric items to steal; I keep getting bronzed baby teeth too lately.

Roechacca · March 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Necrelios wrote: »

On occasion I will "aquire" a few little items like this which seem to mention children in some form or another:

There seems to be rather compelling evidence strewn throughout Tamriel leaning towards the existence of children in this timeline... the question is, where are they now? Where did they go, and when are they coming back? We know they have to return sometime before the next Dragon War as there are children in Skyrim. Perhaps the dragons have something to do with this?

That looks nothing like a Guar . No wonder the kids left .

Is this better?

Also, I think the writers got bored writing these descriptions.

Dat UI Team tho ....... making children cry

Nutronic · April 2015

Arato wrote: »

There should be kids in TES games and ESO, they just need to not be obnoxious like the ones in Skyrim. You know "children should be seen, not heard". Basically only there to make the world feel a bit more real. In Skyrim it's like the devs wanted to taunt us with the fact that you could not attack children by making you WANT to attack them with such lines as "oh great, another wanderer here to lick my father's boots... good job" Shut up punk, I'm downloading a mod right now so I can make you a colorful smear on the ground, then you'll be sorry you said that....

GW2 manages to have children in it that are cute, not obnoxious.

As someone who works with kids on a daily basis, having a snot nose brat who mouths off to you is just par for the course in reality. Not being able to do anything about simply because this is a game should be fine ( mean guards mock you all the time, is it really that bad kids could too? )

Also, I think that sneak attacking a child should allow you "knock them out" without killing them. Making them a playable element without being too violent but still participating in the justice system by not being an immovable watch dog. Heck, I think all essential NPCs should be knock out able under the right circumstances (except maybe shop keepers and quest givers).

OT: But uh, yeah it's kinda sad there aren't any kids in the game at all. I think on one of the ESO live shows they may have hinted that it has something to do with the soulburst not allowing new souls to journey to Mundus, ergo no new life can be born on Tamriel unless you're Argonian (since technically Argonians may not be born with souls and they could be gifted to them as part of the "hist licking" naming/sex assignment ceremony).

Gidorick · April 2015

The whole SoulBurst thing would make the most sense canonically. Also, it wouldn't be a part of every day discussion because it had to have happened 20 years ago. It would also explain why some adults are treated like children... coddled and protected. It would explain why there are toys and cribs.

But I would think there would be SOME people who would still complain about it, lament that they can't have children, or worried about what will happen to their throne/wealth/estate when they die.

Personally, I really hope for an explanation that isn't "it's all a dream" or that all this isn't really happening. To me that would be too much of a cop-out.

Arato · April 2015

Nutronic wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

There should be kids in TES games and ESO, they just need to not be obnoxious like the ones in Skyrim. You know "children should be seen, not heard". Basically only there to make the world feel a bit more real. In Skyrim it's like the devs wanted to taunt us with the fact that you could not attack children by making you WANT to attack them with such lines as "oh great, another wanderer here to lick my father's boots... good job" Shut up punk, I'm downloading a mod right now so I can make you a colorful smear on the ground, then you'll be sorry you said that....

GW2 manages to have children in it that are cute, not obnoxious.

As someone who works with kids on a daily basis, having a snot nose brat who mouths off to you is just par for the course in reality. Not being able to do anything about simply because this is a game should be fine ( mean guards mock you all the time, is it really that bad kids could too? )

Also, I think that sneak attacking a child should allow you "knock them out" without killing them. Making them a playable element without being too violent but still participating in the justice system by not being an immovable watch dog. Heck, I think all essential NPCs should be knock out able under the right circumstances (except maybe shop keepers and quest givers).

OT: But uh, yeah it's kinda sad there aren't any kids in the game at all. I think on one of the ESO live shows they may have hinted that it has something to do with the soulburst not allowing new souls to journey to Mundus, ergo no new life can be born on Tamriel unless you're Argonian (since technically Argonians may not be born with souls and they could be gifted to them as part of the "hist licking" naming/sex assignment ceremony).

Yeah but you can turn around and attack the guards if you want... you might not win because they made them ridiculously overpowered in ESO.. but you can try.

NovaMarx · May 2015

The only reason children weren't introduced until Skyrim, was that the creators saw no need > children were not vital to the story/game. It has nothing to do with lore.

But to make the universe more believable, and make it feel as even more of an open world, they added children to the Skyrim game, and even made it possible to have a family.

I think it's only fitting that they bring children "back" into the ES universe, as it gives added immersion --> Especially if they add housing etc at some point. (They may be annoying, but hey!, they add to the ambiance

!!)

But must admit, I don't think we'll be seeing children again until the next single-player ES game.

TheShadowScout · May 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

The whole SoulBurst thing would make the most sense canonically. Also, it wouldn't be a part of every day discussion because it had to have happened 20 years ago.

According to any lore I found, the soulburst was four years before ESO game time. So... nope.

I still think all the NPCs in Tamriel heard player characters were coming, and hid all their children in secret cellars somewhere...

Joking aside, I really find it vexing to have no children in the game. A lot of quests are set up for "rescue the kid" themes, only to have the "kid" be adult in the game... once this may work, in an "my mom treats me like a kid still..." way, but when you stumble over several such setups... it gets jarring for your immersion.
And the lack of children just being present in the "safe" cities is another thing that every so often strikes you as wrong...

And it would have been easy enough to do I suppose. If people had been worried about players killing kids, no big deal, make them dodge everything and run away at any attack, screaming for the guards...

Gidorick · May 2015

I agree @TheShadowScout. This could be done. I'm hoping that at some point there's an expansion that brings the kids back, like maybe they were kidnapped or something.

Davadin · May 2015

They could add this.

LOTRO was like this, and on one of the patch they decided, ok, now we can add children. And everyone's OK with the sudden changes.

And they add it just before they got housing. Which makes housing neighbourhoods alot better.

But yeah, with the justice/thief system, things could get a little awkward. Maybe don't allow children to be targetted? Or if you try to attack a child, Molag Bal will consume your "evil" and you "died" and get immediately sent to the nearest wayshrine?

I'm ok with that.

Gidorick · May 2015

Lol. Your right. We don't need an explanation. I don't think anyone would come on the forums and be like " but WHY are they back? "

BBSooner · May 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

So on ESO Live they shared this bit of information:

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

randolphbenoit - Why no children in the game? Feels unreal only adults and chickens everywhere...

Hermaeus Mora knows...

Hermaeus Mora is the prince over Knowledge and Fate and I have been wondering how this could fit into the lore of ESO. Is it possible what we are experiencing isn't actually happening? That ESO is somehow just a memory of some sort?

It's always been interesting to me that the Prince over Knowledge and Fate never achieved CHIM (or if he had, never chose to weild it) which, essentially, is a mastery over both. He could reshape Mundus how he desired instead of being confined to Apocrypha. Unless, I suppose, he's content with simply having Knowledge instead of weilding it as a force - though his machinations within Mundus make it seem as though he'd prefer to weild a larger amount of power within it.

Edit: Realized my post was more a tangent than an actual comment on if we can take Jason's line literally. Sorry!

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2015

It's because this isn't the real Tamriel, just an oblivion pocket realm Meridia made for us after we died fighting Molog so that we could continue to ammuse her with her clever heroic scenarios.

Gidorick · May 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

It's because this isn't the real Tamriel, just an oblivion pocket realm Meridia made for us after we died fighting Molog so that we could continue to ammuse her with her clever heroic scenarios.

You're probably right.... This would be very depressing. I really hope were not in a vision or a dragon break or whatever.

PKMN12 · May 2015

have none of you pepole ever hear of gameplay and story segregation? OBVIOUSLY there are children in the world, you would be stupid to believe that just because they are not in-game that they do not exist. IT is also OBVIOUS that none of you have ever played anything other then skyrim, because ONLY skyrim had children, none of the other games ever had children. They are not in game because obviously they woud not be killable, and would be invincable just like in skyrim, which is just as "unrealistic" as not having them.

Pallmor · May 2015

The parents keep them hidden away in the Imperial City.

Otherwise, Sheogorath turns them into cheese.

smtdbplus · May 2015

I see a lot of children......... in the zone chat...

Killum · May 2015

Can you imagine the lag if there were loads of NPC children running around chasing dogs and cats?? Oh.....wait..... we already have the lag.

Gidorick · May 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

have none of you pepole ever hear of gameplay and story segregation? OBVIOUSLY there are children in the world, you would be stupid to believe that just because they are not in-game that they do not exist. IT is also OBVIOUS that none of you have ever played anything other then skyrim, because ONLY skyrim had children, none of the other games ever had children. They are not in game because obviously they woud not be killable, and would be invincable just like in skyrim, which is just as "unrealistic" as not having them.

Once they were added in Skyrim they set a precedence. Same with followers.

LameoveR · May 2015

If they did insert children into the game, they'd have to explain, why you can't kill children.

driosketch · May 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

IT is also OBVIOUS that none of you have ever played anything other then skyrim, because ONLY skyrim had children, none of the other games ever had children.

Well someone obviously never played the games before Morrowind, because this is untrue.