No, it is not related. Your crafting profession levels mostly just give you access to passives which can allow you to use better ore and therefore make higher level armor. There are also passives for hirelings which give you raw materials and passives to help you find raw materials and so forth...

no we don't need more rank to grind.

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

no we don't need more rank to grind.

Way to actually read the post.

Come on now, we can't expect people to actually bother to read the posts and threads that they're replying to. Why, if everyone did that it'd probably cut the number of posts on the forum in half, and some people would probably never post at all!

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

no we don't need more rank to grind.

Way to actually read the post.

although the content have no relation to "increasing max level" but from title, and combine with the content. i believe he is asking to increase max level which will give a bonus to all the product. Which will lead to more grind, and further unbalance new player in pvp. now is there any issue?

Just the Achievement. Nothing more, nothing less.

Improvement chances don't go up, Decon chances don't go up, and you don't get some special ability to make a Master level item.

It's a title and a dye. That's it.

UrQuan wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

no we don't need more rank to grind.

Way to actually read the post.

although the content have no relation to "increasing max level" but from title, and combine with the content. i believe he is asking to increase max level which will give a bonus to all the product. Which will lead to more grind, and further unbalance new player in pvp. now is there any issue?

Yes, there is an issue. The issue is that you're still talking about something completely different from what this thread is about. You're literally the only one here talking about the possibility of increasing the max level above what it is now.

yes, it is a issue indeed. If you are talking about weather crafting level increase will make it's product superior, i already answered "No", And people before me have already explain it thoroughly.

So what else is there to discuss beside the idea of increasing max level and have skill effect improved the strength of crafted product??

p.s. am sorry to admit it. but you are the only one here who is discussion off topic. I did answer his question and comment on this potential idea. but all your reply have been none related thus far

lihentian wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

no we don't need more rank to grind.

Way to actually read the post.

although the content have no relation to "increasing max level" but from title, and combine with the content. i believe he is asking to increase max level which will give a bonus to all the product. Which will lead to more grind, and further unbalance new player in pvp. now is there any issue?

Yes, there is an issue. The issue is that you're still talking about something completely different from what this thread is about. You're literally the only one here talking about the possibility of increasing the max level above what it is now.

yes, it is a issue indeed. If you are talking about weather crafting level increase will make it's product superior, i already answered "No", And people before me have already explain it thoroughly.

So what else is there to discuss beside the idea of increasing max level and have skill effect improved the strength of crafted product??

p.s. am sorry to admit it. but you are the only one here who is discussion off topic. I did answer his question and comment on this potential idea. but all your reply have been none related thus far

So what else is there to discuss other than something that is entirely off-topic and completely unrelated to anything anyone else is talking about in this thread? Yeah, I can really see your point there I mean, you might as well have posted about why you prefer bananas over apples. It would have as much relevance to the thread.

Now, what else is there to discuss that wouldn't be totally off-topic like your discussion of increasing the maximum level? Oh, I don't know, maybe OP's follow-up questions:

Koorta wrote: »

Thanks guys.

Mos-De-Atmo wrote: »

No, it is not related. Your crafting profession levels mostly just give you access to passives which can allow you to use better ore and therefore make higher level armor. There are also passives for hirelings which give you raw materials and passives to help you find raw materials and so forth...

Ok, so not the end of the world the fact I'm progressing so bloody slowly at crafting. I got the hirelings passive ability for ore and it is absolutely useless. You get like 3 ore and sometimes nothing else, sometimes one of those trait diamonds that I don't use anyhow for now because I haven't done the corresponding research on an item that has the same trait.

Was wondering, if I say research an item that does shock damage, and that item does say only 60 shock damage, but I progress my blacksmithing and enchanting skills to a level where I can create a glyph that also does shock damage but way more of it. Can I apply the trait of shock damage to a sword that's higher than 60 ie what I researched??

As has been mentioned, there's no trait that does shock damage, although there are glyphs that do. The traits are:

Weapon Traits:
Powered: Reduces the cooldown of weapon enchantments
Charged: Increases enchantment charges
Precise: Increases Weapon and Spell Critical values
Infused: Increase weapon enchantment effect
Defending: Increases total Armor and Spell Resistance
Training: Increase Weapon Skill line experience with this weapon type
Sharpened: Increase Armor and Spell Penetration
Weighted: Increase weapon attack speed
Nirnhoned: Increases Spell Resistance and Spell Penetration

Armour Traits:
Sturdy: Item takes less durability damage
Impenetrable: Increase resistance to Critical hits
Reinforced: Increases this item's armor value
Well-fitted: Reduces the cost of sprinting
Training: Increases Armor Skill line experience with this armor type
Infused: Increases this item's armor enchantment effect
Exploration: Increases exploration experience gained by 6% 7% 8% 9% 10%
Divines: Increases Mundus Stone effects
Nirnhoned: Increases spell resistance

So the only traits that would interact with a Glyph that gives you shock damage (which would have to be a weapon glyph) are Powered (which just lets the glyph go off more frequently, and doesn't increase the damage), Charged (which just makes the glyph last longer before needing to be recharged with a soul gem), and Infused. Infused is the one that would increase the shock damage.

The other thing to consider when applying enchantments to weapons is that the level of the weapon must be within the level range of the glyph that you're applying. So if you're crafting your own glyphs to apply to weapons that you're also crafting, you want to make sure you're using the right potency rune, as this is the rune that determines what the level of the glyph is. The level ranges of the glyphs overlap somewhat, so if you're crafting your glyphs, always use the highest level potency rune that you can for the item you're going to apply it to. For example, if you have a level 20 sword, you would actually have 3 potency runes to choose from: Jera (level range 10-20), Jejora (level range 15-25), and Odra (level range 20-30). In order to get the most powerful enchantment on your weapon, you would want to use the Odra potency rune.

UrQuan wrote: »

Come on now, we can't expect people to actually bother to read the posts and threads that they're replying to. Why, if everyone did that it'd probably cut the number of posts on the forum in half, and some people would probably never post at all!

Fortunately for me, I will never have a problem with 'not posting' as the existence of any thread is an implied request for my opinion.... and I never seem to run out of these.

As for leveling blacksmithing....there are a few reasons for it.

1-Currently I'm mostly playing Mol gro Durga and any orsimer worth his salt is going to be at least a 50 in smithing.

2-The more traits I know, the more cool set armors I can make - and you can never get enough Hundings Rage - can you? NO, of course not.

3-The higher my knowledge of ores (can't recall the name - it's the first passive & goes 1/9) the better stuff I get from hirelings.

4-OCD people will find it impossible to avoid re-specing and maxing everything.

Koorta wrote: »

Thanks guys.

Mos-De-Atmo wrote: »

No, it is not related. Your crafting profession levels mostly just give you access to passives which can allow you to use better ore and therefore make higher level armor. There are also passives for hirelings which give you raw materials and passives to help you find raw materials and so forth...

Ok, so not the end of the world the fact I'm progressing so bloody slowly at crafting. I got the hirelings passive ability for ore and it is absolutely useless. You get like 3 ore and sometimes nothing else, sometimes one of those trait diamonds that I don't use anyhow for now because I haven't done the corresponding research on an item that has the same trait.

Was wondering, if I say research an item that does shock damage, and that item does say only 60 shock damage, but I progress my blacksmithing and enchanting skills to a level where I can create a glyph that also does shock damage but way more of it. Can I apply the trait of shock damage to a sword that's higher than 60 ie what I researched??

Warning...Longish post. If you don't want the minutia skip to the last paragraph for the answer to your question. If that answer doesn't make sense then come back and read the whys and wherefores.


O.K. first off, some basics. When you research an item you are researching that items "trait". A trait is the little description that says things like "sharpened" or "impenetrable" etc. A weapon has two attributes (beyond its damage). Traits and Enchantments. A crafter researches "traits", and enchanter-crafter makes "glyphs" that can give a weapon "Enchantments". So when you research a trait you can apply that trait to whatever type of weapon you have just researched.

Traits are made more powerful by improving the weapon with "tempers". Honing stones are an example of a "temper". "Tempers" are rare. You can get them from deconstructing armor and weapons you find and you can get "tempers" with higher level hirelings so your points in hirelings are not wasted, you just need to advance in your craft and put a second and then a third point into you hirelings to get the best stuff.

Enchantments come from glyphs made with the Enchantment craft. Your "shock damage" on your weapon comes from a glyph. Glyphs are made from runes. You find runes when you are out and about adventuring. They are scattered around the landscape. Glyphs are made of three types of runes.

The first is called an "aspect" rune. Aspect runes give a glyph its power. So a low level aspect rune gives a less powerful "shock" on a shock glyph. Your sword with a 60 shock damage probably has a low level aspect glyph used in its creation. A higher level aspect might have made a 70 or 80 or even a 100 shock damage sword of that level.

The second type of rune is the "Essence" rune. The essence rune just tells you what kind of glyph you will be making. A Makko essence rune will make a glyph of magic. A "Rakeipa" essence rune makes glyphs of fire and a "Meip" essence rune makes glyphs of shock. Your sword was enchanted with a "Meip" essence rune.

The last type of rune you need to make a glyph is a "Potency" rune. A potency rune does two things. It tells you what level of weapon the glyph can be used on and it tells you if the glyph will be a "positive" glyph or a "negative" glyph.

Postive glyphs add damage (for instance) or health while negative glyphs reduce skill costs (for example) or enemy armor values etc.

Weapons can be crafted at many levels, from 1st through 50th level and then into veteran levels. Likewise you can make glyphs of different levels. A "Jora" or "Jode" potency rune will make a 1st through "Trifling" glyph (the name for a glyph of 1st through 10th level), while a "Pojode" rune will make a "Moderate" glyph (the name for a glyph of 30th to 40th level). Different potency runes make different level glyphs.

As your weapons go up in level they become more powerful (they do more damage). Likewise as the glyph "level" goes up, it becomes more powerful. 1st thru 10th level glyphs do very little damage (even with the best aspect runes) while veteran level glyphs do lots and lots of damage (even with the weakest aspect runes).


This is the paragraph that answers your question without all the detail.

So to answer your implied question (how do I make my 60 shock damage sword do more shock damage?), you make a shock glyph with a more powerful "Aspect" rune and apply that glyph to you sword. Your research in Blacksmithing will not give you the ability to create "shock" damage on your weapons. It will give you the ability to put "Traits" in your weapons and that is well worth doing.

Oh, and by the way, if you get better a enchanting and can make a stronger glyph, yes you can re-enchant your weapon so it has more shock (for example) damage.

Hope that was helpful (despite being pedantic).

newtinmpls wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

Fortunately for me, I will never have a problem with 'not posting' as the existence of any thread is an implied request for my opinion.... and I never seem to run out of these.

UrQuan wrote: »

This is why I need the lol button back

You could just give me an 'awesome'

Well, I actually did...

Thanks so much for the detailed answer Francis!!

I've collected quite a few honing stones so far, luckily stored them all in the bank. It's all good, it's just a shame these traits don't translate from a sword to a dagger and you have to find the other type of item with the same trait to make that one urself. Oh well, more to do...