Crown Store: Seriously? That's it?

nimander99 · May 2015

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Yup that's what I said.

Apparently a lot of people don't understand how a business works either.

I'll break it down a lil bit.

A business is comprised of several teams that do different things.
You have a graphics developer
You have a coding developer
You have a lore developer
You have a skill developer
You have a PvP developer
You have a console coding developer
etc etc etc

Notice the bold
Just because they are releasing something on consoles, doesn't mean they cannot do anything else before the console get released.
The graphics are already done.... What is he going to do? Sit back with his feet up and look at facebook all day "due to waiting on console"
He aint going to reimage everything, all he do is copy and paste the code over to the console.

What do people want???
More cosemetics
Is that graphics developer having too much to do? Nope, its not like they making the console version look different than the PC version... Its all the same really, maybe a few tweaks here and there.

So yall need to stop answering for the developer, and let the developer answer for themselves.
Yall need to stop saying "they cant do anything until consoles get released"

You really think they going to let that guy get time off when they pay him on a salary...
"hey bud, graphics are good to go, go give yourself 4 months off and enjoy"

Nah he's doing something, and I'm sure something will come sooner or later.

Hence the always ironic After Console(TM)

Well said though, seriously.

dafox187 · May 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

So you re-released the Palamino horse, added a fox to pets, and added the Ordinator armor pack to the costumes. Why only 3 items? And why still nothing from the several pages long request list that YOU asked for?

because its been out for a month and you need to wait

nimander99 · May 2015

dafox187 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

So you re-released the Palamino horse, added a fox to pets, and added the Ordinator armor pack to the costumes. Why only 3 items? And why still nothing from the several pages long request list that YOU asked for?

because its been out for a month and you need to wait

The people who want reasonable logical remarks are on ESO Facebook and Twitter, tinfoil hats are a req here!

Sylvyr · May 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

The answer to all your questions is CONSOLE.

ZOS when will spellcraf-CONSOLE.
ZOS when will you fix the lag in Pv-CONSOLE.

Let me get this straight, so what you are saying is...console?

I'm pretty sure he means we are waiting for console before anything happens... just in-case you missed that

CONSOLE

... CONSOLE

Are CONSOLE you CONSOLE sure CONSOLE about CONSOLE that? CONSOLE

Let me fix it once and for all

After Console(TM)

Oooooh

Before Console (BC)
After Console (AC)

UrQuan · May 2015

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Yup that's what I said.

Apparently a lot of people don't understand how a business works either.

I'll break it down a lil bit.

A business is comprised of several teams that do different things.
You have a graphics developer
You have a coding developer
You have a lore developer
You have a skill developer
You have a PvP developer
You have a console coding developer
etc etc etc

Notice the bold
Just because they are releasing something on consoles, doesn't mean they cannot do anything else before the console get released.
The graphics are already done.... What is he going to do? Sit back with his feet up and look at facebook all day "due to waiting on console"
He aint going to reimage everything, all he do is copy and paste the code over to the console.

What do people want???
More cosemetics
Is that graphics developer having too much to do? Nope, its not like they making the console version look different than the PC version... Its all the same really, maybe a few tweaks here and there.

So yall need to stop answering for the developer, and let the developer answer for themselves.
Yall need to stop saying "they cant do anything until consoles get released"

You really think they going to let that guy get time off when they pay him on a salary...
"hey bud, graphics are good to go, go give yourself 4 months off and enjoy"

Nah he's doing something, and I'm sure something will come sooner or later.

I like to think of the developers as servers.
We have new items and cosmetics for players to play with.... But the other stuff isn't ready.
You know how it is... Have to give everything at the same time regardless if 2 of the 4 meals are ready and waiting. Bad etiquette to serve 2 of 4 people meal at same time too and to eat in front of others when they don't have there meal ready at a restaurant.

So yall just have to wait until they ready to serve you all, all your meals at once.

There's one important element you missed in this (otherwise good) analysis:

You have a QA/testing team.

Right now I guarantee the QA/testing folks are up to their eyeballs on testing the work of the console coding folks (and have been for some time). So the only things that are being released in the Crown Store right now are things that won't pull them away from that. So we're getting cosmetic stuff, because that doesn't require the kind of testing that the rest would.

Moonshadow66 · May 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

So you re-released the Palamino horse, added a fox to pets, and added the Ordinator armor pack to the costumes. Why only 3 items? And why still nothing from the several pages long request list that YOU asked for?

There's also a new Guar in the store (which I had to buy)

But true, it's not that much, though. I guess they're adding requested items piece by piece to keep us staying even longer.

lsneakl · May 2015

I like the idea they are holding things back until console release because of copying all the crown store purchases over. If they release new stuff now you get a 2 for 1 but if you wait then you are required to purchase it on both if you want it bad enough.

MornaBaine · May 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Right now I guarantee the QA/testing folks are up to their eyeballs on testing the work of the console coding folks (and have been for some time). So the only things that are being released in the Crown Store right now are things that won't pull them away from that. So we're getting cosmetic stuff, because that doesn't require the kind of testing that the rest would.

And I'm fine with getting "just" cosmetic stuff. But they need to be adding MORE of it.

Parrotbrain · May 2015

I would like a giant hedgehog mount, a hedgehog pet and a werehedgehog polymorph costume

The_Drexill · May 2015

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Yup that's what I said.

Apparently a lot of people don't understand how a business works either.

I'll break it down a lil bit.

A business is comprised of several teams that do different things.
You have a graphics developer
You have a coding developer
You have a lore developer
You have a skill developer
You have a PvP developer
You have a console coding developer
etc etc etc

Notice the bold
Just because they are releasing something on consoles, doesn't mean they cannot do anything else before the console get released.
The graphics are already done.... What is he going to do? Sit back with his feet up and look at facebook all day "due to waiting on console"
He aint going to reimage everything, all he do is copy and paste the code over to the console.

What do people want???
More cosemetics
Is that graphics developer having too much to do? Nope, its not like they making the console version look different than the PC version... Its all the same really, maybe a few tweaks here and there.

So yall need to stop answering for the developer, and let the developer answer for themselves.
Yall need to stop saying "they cant do anything until consoles get released"

You really think they going to let that guy get time off when they pay him on a salary...
"hey bud, graphics are good to go, go give yourself 4 months off and enjoy"

Nah he's doing something, and I'm sure something will come sooner or later.

I like to think of the developers as servers.
We have new items and cosmetics for players to play with.... But the other stuff isn't ready.
You know how it is... Have to give everything at the same time regardless if 2 of the 4 meals are ready and waiting. Bad etiquette to serve 2 of 4 people meal at same time too and to eat in front of others when they don't have there meal ready at a restaurant.

So yall just have to wait until they ready to serve you all, all your meals at once.

It's cute that you believe this... but no, I think ZoS is all hands on deck for console. They had some major layoffs last year, there's not as many devs as you think.

Jaxsun · May 2015

Valymer wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

The answer to all your questions is CONSOLE.

ZOS when will spellcraf-CONSOLE.
ZOS when will you fix the lag in Pv-CONSOLE.

Let me get this straight, so what you are saying is...console?

More cowbell...

bertenburnyb16_ESO · May 2015

even if its jsut 3 items, they still wasting to much time on it (and console release), giv us some new content....

FireCowCommando · May 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

I dont see how crap like whats in the store now is going to make them more money than the sub fees did. It doesnt feel like enough, and not because Im a "gimmie gimmie' person because I dont care for the stuff anyhow. Just dont understand how they are making money with just a few items every month. Im tellin ya, they would make TONS of $$$ if they would just put stuff like character slots, barber shop, name changes ect. in the store.

Side note, I dont want them to put barber shop in the store but we all know its gonna be that way, nothing from ZOS is gonna be free anymore.

There are very few AAA titles that went to F2P, did not monetize with P2W (changing the game into a "let's cash in as much as possible before the game dies) and are actually earning enough revenue to keep delivering new updates.

They have some factors in common and ESO has none of that:

1) Rich shop, with very nice looking gear, lots and lots of mounts (vehicles in SWTOR), with varying degree of rarity so the "whales" (compulsive buyers with lots of money) can grab all those rare things that cost 10 times as much as the others.

2) True functionalities: respecs, bank slots, reskins, unlocking content that would be limited through the week...

3) Those items are Bind on Equip and can thus be traded. Very important along with the next step.

4) Tightly controlled shop currency that can be traded between players and / or ability to convert in game gold to shop currency and vice versa. This feature along with 3 allow a very known phenomenon, where people with large real life cash tend to run out of in game gold and so they keep purchasing rare mounts / gear / vehicles with real money and then put them on the guild stores.
So, the many players with lots of time on their hands but no real life money can grind lots of gold and then use that to purchase the mounts. This feeds a mechanism that allows "whales" to spend even more real cash on rarities, with the premise they'll make a lot of game gold with that.

Take away these factors and the F2P model suddenly loses a lot of potential and the game goes to a path of slow decline, at the end of which the developers implement P2W stuff to buy some more time before all is over.

More like add these things and the pay2win will cause the player base to decline. Also point 1 sounds more like a way to harm the players who cant control themselves and spend way to much.

hotrod2012 · May 2015

There should be achievements where you can win Crowns or missions when the game quality is harder than normal and customers could win trophies or win Crowns. I would also like the addition of giving crowns away if someone has too many or share to those who don't have many ... At least something.

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2015

I've been saving my crowns for some real content. I bet they don't realize they are debt financing their new content with crowns, at least for some players, that likely will unsub when new content comes out and just use their accrued crowns to buy the new dungeon/zone/cyrodiil city.

pecheckler · May 2015

still nothing to buy with crowns before console transfer

EQBallzz · May 2015

Glurin wrote: »

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

Barber shop please

I really wish people would stop demanding that they monetize a barber shop of all things. You shouldn't have to pay money to customize your base character. Extras, yes, those are reasonable. But not the base cosmetic aspects of the character.

Don't you get it? Consumers are not smart. They like to think they are getting something for "free" (F2P) or at a "discount" (B2P) even if in reality they are getting fleeced with micro-transactions on the back end. Instead of paying a nominal amount each month and just getting everything people like the illusion they are getting a "good deal". Sort of like when companies raise the prices and then "have a sale" or offer a "coupon". People are just gullible and/or willfully ignorant. The reality is nothing is free and you get what you pay for. You may not pay in the way you expect or even the amount you expect but you will pay. The same people who didn't want to pay a sub will now gleefully pay a la carte for a bunch of crap that adds up to more than the sub cost anyway. Brilliant.

MercyKilling · May 2015

EQBallzz wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

Barber shop please

I really wish people would stop demanding that they monetize a barber shop of all things. You shouldn't have to pay money to customize your base character. Extras, yes, those are reasonable. But not the base cosmetic aspects of the character.

Don't you get it? Consumers are not smart. They like to think they are getting something for "free" (F2P) or at a "discount" (B2P) even if in reality they are getting fleeced with micro-transactions on the back end. Instead of paying a nominal amount each month and just getting everything people like the illusion they are getting a "good deal". Sort of like when companies raise the prices and then "have a sale" or offer a "coupon". People are just gullible and/or willfully ignorant. The reality is nothing is free and you get what you pay for. You may not pay in the way you expect or even the amount you expect but you will pay. The same people who didn't want to pay a sub will now gleefully pay a la carte for a bunch of crap that adds up to more than the sub cost anyway. Brilliant.

So much this. Here, George Carlin explains so much better than I ever could: WARNING!! DO NOT WATCH IF EASILY OFFENDED!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFCMhSzeGuA

SantieClaws · May 2015

I don't mind if they release only three or four things a month - but have some balance each month between costumes, pets and mounts.

Pets and mounts seem to be very much in favour right now when all I actually want is costumes. When I say costumes I mean clothes. I can look like a walking heap of metal in game already if I choose to. Cosmetic armour doesn't come under costumes in my book.

GreySix · May 2015

Store has no lightsabers?!

RSram · May 2015

Here's some items that I would pay crowns for:

1) Changing the race of my character with all current skill points un-allocated. Common skill attributes between the characters would remain the same.

2) Changing the class of my character with all current skill points un-allocated. Common skill attributes between the characters would remain the same.

2) Increasing the capacity of my bank account.

3) Increasing the capacity of that character's carry capacity.

4) Increase the limit on the individual items I can store in the bank from 200 each to something higher.

5) Increase one of more Maximum attributes of my mount.

6) One time change to another alliance.

None of these would be P2W IMO.

Preyfar · May 2015

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

The graphics are already done.... What is he going to do? Sit back with his feet up and look at facebook all day "due to waiting on console" He aint going to reimage everything, all he do is copy and paste the code over to the console.

As a former animator in the industry I can help answer that question! Most art and animation teams are usually on retainer. They may have some artists/modellers in house, and if they're not working on Project X, they'll work on Project Y. But the vast majority of artists, texturers and more are laid off after a product ships or were just freelancers brought in/outsourced to help with the project.

Few companies have massive amounts of artists/animators on hand. Usually a few full time, but not many. So they'll have a few people on hand to craft out/design things, but they're usually stretched pretty thin and are busy as hell. Graphic ninjas will generally focus on fixing old textures, creating new projects, sketching, drafting, revising, sketching, drafting, revising, revising, redoing, revising, getting feedback, screaming at their Cintiq, revising and finally finishing. They'll be proud of their work, and instantly hate everything they did the next day, and spend the next half of their career going "If I have time, I totally want to go back and redo [random_item]" because it never quite lived up to their expectations/vision.

But they're generally pretty busy people. It's not like artists sit around on their ass. There's always new things to sketch, new creations to render and things to go back and tweak, improve.

SerDinadan · May 2015

Give it time, GW2 and SWTOR also didn't have much on their stores at the start.

Micallef · May 2015

EQBallzz wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

Barber shop please

I really wish people would stop demanding that they monetize a barber shop of all things. You shouldn't have to pay money to customize your base character. Extras, yes, those are reasonable. But not the base cosmetic aspects of the character.

Don't you get it? Consumers are not smart. They like to think they are getting something for "free" (F2P) or at a "discount" (B2P) even if in reality they are getting fleeced with micro-transactions on the back end. Instead of paying a nominal amount each month and just getting everything people like the illusion they are getting a "good deal". Sort of like when companies raise the prices and then "have a sale" or offer a "coupon". People are just gullible and/or willfully ignorant. The reality is nothing is free and you get what you pay for. You may not pay in the way you expect or even the amount you expect but you will pay. The same people who didn't want to pay a sub will now gleefully pay a la carte for a bunch of crap that adds up to more than the sub cost anyway. Brilliant.

This. Can't be said often enough.

Elsonso · May 2015

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

I dont see how crap like whats in the store now is going to make them more money than the sub fees did. It doesnt feel like enough, and not because Im a "gimmie gimmie' person because I dont care for the stuff anyhow. Just dont understand how they are making money with just a few items every month. Im tellin ya, they would make TONS of $$$ if they would just put stuff like character slots, barber shop, name changes ect. in the store.

Side note, I dont want them to put barber shop in the store but we all know its gonna be that way, nothing from ZOS is gonna be free anymore.

They will not make any more money with character slots and name changes than they will with any single costume, pet, or mount. They can offer them, and people will buy them, but it is not going to be something that makes the Crown Store suddenly a massive revenue generator.

I dread the barber shop in the Crown Store because the game needs more places to spend GOLD, not CROWNS, and the barber shop is a good gold sink. They are already shorting the gold sinks in the game by offering the same services for Crowns.

Sevalaricgirl · May 2015

RSram wrote: »

Here's some items that I would pay crowns for:

1) Changing the race of my character with all current skill points un-allocated. Common skill attributes between the characters would remain the same.

2) Changing the class of my character with all current skill points un-allocated. Common skill attributes between the characters would remain the same.

2) Increasing the capacity of my bank account.

3) Increasing the capacity of that character's carry capacity.

4) Increase the limit on the individual items I can store in the bank from 200 each to something higher.

5) Increase one of more Maximum attributes of my mount.

6) One time change to another alliance.

None of these would be P2W IMO.

I agree with everything you've listed.