Convert inspiration to experience when maxed at a craft

reften · May 2015

Recommendation: Currently, doing writs, decon'ing items, making items for people, results in nice inspiration gains, except when you're max'd level on that craft. Doing all of these things in the past, was more worthwhile because, well, you were leveling that craft.

And as part of our $15 a month ESO+ fee is a 10% bonus to inspiration. But max'd out on a craft results in basically loosing this 10% ESO+ bonus.

My recommendation - Convert inspiration gained to XP gained when a craft is maxed out. Seems simple, wouldn't results in anything game breaking. Thanks!

Cazic · May 2015

Agreed. Great idea.

Nestor · May 2015

oren74 wrote: »

Seems simple, wouldn't results in anything game breaking. Thanks!

If they made it significant enough to matter, then people would grind on writs to gain levels. That would drive the prices of materials through the roof. Writs have already had an impact on materials prices, essentially they are 50% to 75% higher than they were prior to writs being offered.

I agree that seeing that chunk of Inspiration go to waste on a maxed is not fun. But since you can start doing max level writs at a Crafting level of 40, then in those cases the Inspiration is useful. And I don't do Writs at max level for the Inspiration, I do them for the containers and what I get from them.

Lifsteinn · May 2015

In my opinion all crafting (with or without max level) should give some XP, not much for people to level up this way, but at least for you don't feel like you're "wasting time" crafting instead of gaining levels in another way.

Also agree with 10% inspiration for ESO+.

Moonshadow66 · May 2015

After maxing every crafting skill with my main, I decided to level these skills with all my other characters as well (except for one). Seems like a waste of gold since I also could sell the items instead, but it's easier for each character to craft their own armor/weapon set whenever it's needed, and it's fun to do it again, all that deconstructing and researching

But I still agree with you and it would be great to gain XP instead when maxed!

UrQuan · May 2015

Nestor wrote: »

And I don't do Writs at max level for the Inspiration, I do them for the containers and what I get from them.

Quoted for truth. I mean, it's not worth doing max level writs for all crafts (unless you have a cheap/free source of the mats without wasting a ton of time collecting them), but for those that are worth doing at max level, the rewards from the containers are definitely worth it.

Arunei · May 2015

I only really focus on the consumable writs for the stuff I get back, not for the experience/inspiration. I've been doing all low-level Writs (Stonefalls), which seems to yield a lot of surveys. From these I get nice mats, including Denata and Rekuta stones and good recipes.

Tho I agree that having one of your ESO+ benefits being pretty much worthless is a bit of an annoyance. I suppose they could translate it to EXP, but it might be better to perhaps translate it into a % of getting surveys? Like a 2% chance or something.

/inb4 everyone piles me with "DAT'S P2P" lol

Robbmrp · May 2015

The best we can hope for is that they change the inspiration on the writs to experience if your a max crafter. They won't ever change normal inspiration into experience imo. At least with it on the writ, it would give me an excuse to do them. The surveys aren't very common and neither are the gold tempers. For the most part, the writs are still a waste of resources imho.

Siliconhobbit_ESO · May 2015

As a maxxed-out crafter in all of the professions (ALL on ONE character mind you), I wholeheartedly agree and support this idea.

While it was fun getting all of those professions to the maximum level, I do not do a lot of crafting as it stands now. Sure, I decon loot that I pick up, I craft my own equipment and upgrades, and I can make any armor or weapon that my guildmates may need from time to time, but I'm not standing at a crafting station 24/7. Nor do I do ANY of the crafting writs any more (they are a complete waste of time and beneath the skills and talents of a Master Craftsman such as myself and I am totally serious when I say that).

If inspiration was converted to experience, I would definitely be doing a lot more crafting for that reason alone.

The question remains however, on what the conversion rate is and what 'activities' provide it. I have LARGE stores of crafting supplies. So much so that I can spend considerable time crafting items just for the purposes of deconstructing them.

Such a system would have to be modeled very carefully as it would be ripe for abuse.

reften · May 2015

Yeah even if it's just for writs. Really can't exploit this as you can only do 6 writs a day...not much different then going to Cyrodiil and doing daily quests

Tors · May 2015

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Seems like a waste of gold since I also could sell the items instead

Good luck with making money from actual "crafting" unless you are selling food/potions/glyphs, you are going to be poor.

Turning inspiriation into exp gained would be too easy to, if not exploit, then have an affect on champion point progression.

A VR14 could in throry self level his exp with a bot by making armour then sending it to a second character and that one deconstructing it then performing the reverse.

This would have a big affect with certain of the white items able to be collected for specific areas. Or with cooking a character could easily create hundreds of thousands of items while the owner of the account was asleep/at work

Too open to abuse, and I think the "reward" once you hit max in crafting is that you have hit max in crafting.

Savetti · May 2015

I think if you are maxed level in the craft, instead of inspiration, you should get much much better rewards from the writs. As for just crafting the items, I don't think you should really get anything... You are a master crafter after all.

EQBallzz · May 2015

Nestor wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

Seems simple, wouldn't results in anything game breaking. Thanks!

If they made it significant enough to matter, then people would grind on writs to gain levels. That would drive the prices of materials through the roof. Writs have already had an impact on materials prices, essentially they are 50% to 75% higher than they were prior to writs being offered.

I agree that seeing that chunk of Inspiration go to waste on a maxed is not fun. But since you can start doing max level writs at a Crafting level of 40, then in those cases the Inspiration is useful. And I don't do Writs at max level for the Inspiration, I do them for the containers and what I get from them.

You can't "grind on writs" because you can only do one per day since..you know...it's a *daily* quest. Material pricing may have gone up but that isn't a bad thing. Materials prior to writs were selling for barely more than the vendor price (if at all) which made it nearly worthless.

To the OP..this is a great idea. I doubt it will ever be implemented but they should.

Victus · May 2015

Meh while I don't think it's game-breaking I also don't think it's necessary. Turning in my Provisioning writ (maxed out skill) still resulted me in gaining skill xp (I levelled up Resto staff when I turned it in yesterday) so there is still some perks to it other than the goodie bags.

AlnilamE · May 2015

You can if you do them on multiple characters.

OP, there is already XP gained from completing writs, so I assume you mean from deconstructing or crafting items? You would probably have to do some IP to XP conversion, otherwise the XP gain would be too much (particularly when enlightened.)

Titansteele · May 2015

Great idea, you may have my babies

Chuggernaut · May 2015

This is a great idea, and I'm not sure why it hasn't always been like this.

reften · May 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

OP, there is already XP gained from completing writs, so I assume you mean from deconstructing or crafting items? You would probably have to do some IP to XP conversion, otherwise the XP gain would be too much (particularly when enlightened.)

Yes, very small...which is fine, because you're leveling your craft; of course until it's max'd.

I think all the inspiration should just convert to XP when it's basically not going anywhere.

Tors · May 2015

This is too open to abuse

I could get a level 1 character, get him to max wood work (as this gives the most craft exp per deconstruction) using my main. I can do this within an hour. (sometimes it takes me 2 hours depending on whats on telly)

Then I could use a very basic bot to collect the sheilds/bow in Cryodil, improove them once and then send them back to the first character (put in the bank)

Then I could have the first character deconstruct these till he hits vr14.

I could speed this up easily buy having multiple characters on different accounts doing the collecting, probably adding metalwork and clothing into the mix to save time when they log in and out to refresh the collectables.

Depending on the numbers, I could either level characters while im at work or I could get a few champion points a day extra.

My guild started a year ago, around 50 people, im the only one left, so I could get those 49 accounts.

Using my VM i can run them all easily

So thats 49 accounts feeding my deconstructor bot

Not a great idea to be honest.

dunn4_ESO · May 2015

Tors wrote: »

This is too open to abuse

I could get a level 1 character, get him to max wood work (as this gives the most craft exp per deconstruction) using my main. I can do this within an hour. (sometimes it takes me 2 hours depending on whats on telly)

Then I could use a very basic bot to collect the sheilds/bow in Cryodil, improove them once and then send them back to the first character (put in the bank)

Then I could have the first character deconstruct these till he hits vr14.

I could speed this up easily buy having multiple characters on different accounts doing the collecting, probably adding metalwork and clothing into the mix to save time when they log in and out to refresh the collectables.

Depending on the numbers, I could either level characters while im at work or I could get a few champion points a day extra.

My guild started a year ago, around 50 people, im the only one left, so I could get those 49 accounts.

Using my VM i can run them all easily

So thats 49 accounts feeding my deconstructor bot

Not a great idea to be honest.

Yeah, ok. But who in the planes of oblivion is gonna do all that BS? And what if keeping them from doing that now to "cheat" and level their crafts? Looking at fringe cases and outliers isn't a great way to analyse a designed system.

reften · May 2015

dunn4_ESO wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

This is too open to abuse

I could get a level 1 character, get him to max wood work (as this gives the most craft exp per deconstruction) using my main. I can do this within an hour. (sometimes it takes me 2 hours depending on whats on telly)

Then I could use a very basic bot to collect the sheilds/bow in Cryodil, improove them once and then send them back to the first character (put in the bank)

Then I could have the first character deconstruct these till he hits vr14.

I could speed this up easily buy having multiple characters on different accounts doing the collecting, probably adding metalwork and clothing into the mix to save time when they log in and out to refresh the collectables.

Depending on the numbers, I could either level characters while im at work or I could get a few champion points a day extra.

My guild started a year ago, around 50 people, im the only one left, so I could get those 49 accounts.

Using my VM i can run them all easily

So thats 49 accounts feeding my deconstructor bot

Not a great idea to be honest.

Yeah, ok. But who in the planes of oblivion is gonna do all that BS? And what if keeping them from doing that now to "cheat" and level their crafts? Looking at fringe cases and outliers isn't a great way to analyse a designed system.

You could also take a level 10 and have him sit in Cyrodiil getting D ticks

You won't have any skill points to work with....

Tors · May 2015

dunn4_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, ok. But who in the planes of oblivion is gonna do all that BS? And what if keeping them from doing that now to "cheat" and level their crafts? Looking at fringe cases and outliers isn't a great way to analyse a designed system.

You are joking arnt you?

This opens up all sorts of ways to automatically create Max level characters.

If someone can do it they WILL do it.

I can easily do what I have said, very little hassel and I am not one of those pro gold farming companys who have the resources to do the same without being detected.

Remember we are sat in the Western World, 10 quid for us is nothing, but to someone from the 3rd world, they can easily feed their family on the money they can make from us for this sort of thing.

reften · May 2015

Tors wrote: »

dunn4_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, ok. But who in the planes of oblivion is gonna do all that BS? And what if keeping them from doing that now to "cheat" and level their crafts? Looking at fringe cases and outliers isn't a great way to analyse a designed system.

You are joking arnt you?

This opens up all sorts of ways to automatically create Max level characters.

If someone can do it they WILL do it.

I can easily do what I have said, very little hassel and I am not one of those pro gold farming companys who have the resources to do the same without being detected.

Remember we are sat in the Western World, 10 quid for us is nothing, but to someone from the 3rd world, they can easily feed their family on the money they can make from us for this sort of thing.

I've made a career jumping over every wall someone puts in front of me. Quite simple...put a cap on it. A level 10 deconing a level 10 sword will get just as much experience as decon'ing a VR14 sword.

reften · May 2015

And agreement/disagreement if you just convert inspiration gained from writs to experience for us master level'ed crafters?

Nestor · May 2015

EQBallzz wrote: »

Material pricing may have gone up but that isn't a bad thing. Materials prior to writs were selling for barely more than the vendor price (if at all) which made it nearly worthless.

Yes, prices were way too low for a while. Now they are reasonable and what they should be, 600 to 800 a 100 stack.

Moonshadow66 · May 2015

Tors wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Seems like a waste of gold since I also could sell the items instead

Good luck with making money from actual "crafting" unless you are selling food/potions/glyphs, you are going to be poor.
(...)

Uhm, no. I was not talking about selling crafted items, I was talking about deconstructing loot/rewards for levelling all my alts' crafting skills. Since my main can do all this already, I could also sell these items instead of deconstructing them. That's what I meant by "waste of gold".

In trading guilds I sell other things than you mentioned, and I get quite a lot pretty much everyday. Sometimes also crafted armor/weapons for research which go more or less well in the stores.

reften · May 2015

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Seems like a waste of gold since I also could sell the items instead

Good luck with making money from actual "crafting" unless you are selling food/potions/glyphs, you are going to be poor.
(...)

Uhm, no. I was not talking about selling crafted items, I was talking about deconstructing loot/rewards for levelling all my alts' crafting skills. Since my main can do all this already, I could also sell these items instead of deconstructing them. That's what I meant by "waste of gold".

In trading guilds I sell other things than you mentioned, and I get quite a lot pretty much everyday. Sometimes also crafted armor/weapons for research which go more or less well in the stores.

I'm sure there would be a way to limit inspiration gain XP based on player level and item level...to not abuse the system...