How to balance the (weak) Magicka Templar

BugCollector · May 2015

If you've been paying attention to some discussions and polls, most people agree that Magicka Templars are weak, so I'll be offering some balance tips.

1. Aedric Spear

- Puncturing Strikes: remove CC immunity or increase the damage
- Piercing Javelin: Increase the damage on all its morphs

2. Dawn's Wrath

- Sun Fire: increase the projectile speed
- Solar Flare and Dark Flare: increase the projectile speed and (for Dark Flare) give Dark Flare a 20% instant cast chance (like Crystal Fragments).
- Backlash: slightly increase the maximum damage
- Eclipse: lower the magicka cost with 400

3. Restoring Light

- Healing Ritual: Give this ability and its morphs a 20% chance to instant cast when previously used another Restoring Light ability.

Saft · May 2015

In addition to you suggestions.

1. Aedric Spear
The sun shield and its morph could use cost reduction or increased amount warded.

2. Dawn's Wrath
3. - Eclipse: lower the magicka cost with 400 + remove CC immunity it trigger, make it a purgable effect (for PVP balancing)

Etaniel · May 2015

I'm all for templar buff, but only if radiant destruction is nerfed.

drackonir · May 2015

oh sure, like templar need any changes, even magicka builds pull better DPS then sorcerers.

If anything Templars DPS need to be tweak down

BugCollector · May 2015

drackonir wrote: »

oh sure, like templar need any changes, even magicka builds pull better DPS then sorcerers.

If anything Templars DPS need to be tweak down

Yea, cause Templars can pull 13k+ DPS with Overload light attacks.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

BuggeX · May 2015

no but 20k with Radiant xD

BugCollector · May 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

no but 20k with Radiant xD

No, You can't go higher than 11K with only Radiant Destruction.

Vaerth · May 2015

All magicka builds are weak...Not just Templars.

BuggeX · May 2015

and wath are you complaining now? Overload is a ulti Radiant not

BugCollector · May 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

and wath are you complaining now? Overload is a ulti Radiant not

Yea, but Sorcerers still pull a lot better DPS and almost always win in a 1 vs 1 against a Magicka Templar.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

BuggeX · May 2015

Do you win a fight vs a Stamina NB?
OR Magica NB?

BugCollector · May 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

and wath are you complaining now? Overload is a ulti Radiant not

Yea, but Sorcerers still pull a lot better DPS and almost always win in a 1 vs 1 against a Magicka Templar, so that other guy is just trolling me or has no knowledge of the game.

BuggeX wrote: »

Do you win a fight vs a Stamina NB?
OR Magica NB?

Stamina Nightlbade, no. Magicka Nightblade sometimes.

BuggeX · May 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

and wath are you complaining now? Overload is a ulti Radiant not

Yea, but Sorcerers still pull a lot better DPS and almost always win in a 1 vs 1 against a Magicka Templar, so that other guy is just trolling me or has no knowledge of the game.

BuggeX wrote: »

Do you win a fight vs a Stamina NB?
OR Magica NB?

Stamina Nightlbade, no. Magicka Nightblade sometimes.

My DK neighter, so just buff DK to?

Derra · May 2015

I have the feeling this thread would be better suited for the pvp combat and skills section of the forum when reading some comments.

Kas · May 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

I'm all for templar buff, but only if radiant destruction is nerfed.

As a templar, i think this is actually not a bad idea.

RD's biggest problem is that it is a cahnnel. however, since 90% of players like to rely on eitehr BoL or dodging for defense, that is actually a good thing now.
RD is a ridiculously strong skill and more than often worth to be cast in non-execute range.
It's still situational but only in terms of if you can safely pull of the cast. Excute range or not is more of a bonus than a requirement.

No matter how OP the skill may be, the templar in itself isn't even close to being one of the strongest classes.
So if we want to see templar buffs (at teh cost of RD getting nerfed)

PS:
1. Who cares about PvE balance? Leaderboards will be reset anyway, you could run into weeklies with every class easily. Just completing dungeons/trials for loot is a joke already.
2. Whoever thinks sorcs don't do enough damage in PvE hasn't found out about proper suage of overload yet. 15k amnti / 17k serpent sorcs would liek to have a word with you.
3. Since magicka termplar are still prety good healers, I don't think competetive PvE dps is too much of a concern anyway. They're already superb at doing dps and healing only in emergencies because they're the only class that can slot BoL on a destro staff bar and go from full damage to emergency heal without a weapon swap or heal build-up (grand healing)

BuggeX · May 2015

Kas wrote: »

1. Who cares about PvE balance? Leaderboards will be reset anyway, you could run into weeklies with every class easily.

You all speak about 1v1, who care anyway about 1v1?

Bfish22090 · May 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

If you've been paying attention to some discussions and polls, most people agree that Magicka Templars are weak, so I'll be offering some balance tips.

1. Aedric Spear

- Puncturing Strikes: remove CC immunity or increase the damage
- Piercing Javelin: Increase the damage on all its morphs

2. Dawn's Wrath

- Sun Fire: increase the projectile speed
- Solar Flare and Dark Flare: increase the projectile speed and (for Dark Flare) give Dark Flare a 20% instant cast chance (like Crystal Fragments).
- Backlash: slightly increase the maximum damage
- Eclipse: lower the magicka cost with 400

3. Restoring Light

- Healing Ritual: Give this ability and its morphs a 20% chance to instant cast when previously used another Restoring Light ability.

Funny you didn't include radiant destruction in here.

It's almost as if you didn't get a magicka based DPs execute that can be spammed for 15k+ dps

Gandrhulf_Harbard · May 2015

Kas wrote: »

1. Who cares about PvE balance?

Given that in most MMORPGS the % of player that regularly PvP is less than 30% that would mean that close to 70% of player care ONLY about PvE Balance.

But why let facts get in the way of yet another, boring, "Buff X, Nerf Y, Plz, its not fair I get beat in PvP" whine?

I hear Sheogorath has a decent cheese collection, maybe if you ask nicely he'll find something suitable for you.

All The Best

eliisra · May 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

I'm all for templar buff, but only if radiant destruction is nerfed.

As a templar I can agree on that. I never even asked for a sucker punch tool like Jesus Beam. It's like the magicka version of Snipe, be a dip-*** and hit someone in the back while they're busy fighting someone else. Rather that skill was made into a normal instant execute at 20/25% for PvE, no buggy channelling proc'ing way to early or not at all.

For PvP, I rather have viable and non-buggy tools pre-execute range that improves overall game play.

Topic: What I feel templar(and also DK) need the most right now is help with mobility and disengage. The old argument about tanky classes clearly went out the window the day 1.6 launched. We shouldn't have to play dodge-bot or vampire to roam in PvP.

lolo_01b16_ESO · May 2015

Bfish22090 wrote: »

It's almost as if you didn't get a magicka based DPs execute that can be spammed for 15k+ dps

Would you mind telling me how to do that? I have 2.5k spell damage, 29k magicka and don't get rd above 5k dps outside execute range.

Btw. I want my blinding flashes back.

Lorkhan · May 2015

#NERFJESUSBEAM

BRogueNZ · May 2015

Edit. OT and trolling.

Can't help myself sometimes

Sotha_Sil · May 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

- Healing Ritual: Give this ability and its morphs a 20% chance to instant cast when previously used another Restoring Light ability.

That is not a bad idea... but I think that somehow it's still not the perfect solution to fix the skill.

Animal_Mother · May 2015

Lorkhan wrote: »

#NERFJESUSBEAM

ZOS beat you to that at least three times. It's just as easy for a Templar to scream for nerfing multiple Fears. But instead of nerfing it, could ZOS just us a proper tool to fight it. You know, maybe an AoE CC - like we used to have, or if we must, an escape?

Dixa · May 2015

is this a pvp or pve discussion? i can't tell. many of you talk about dps and 1v1 in the same sentence - two totally UNRELATED aspects of any class.

BugCollector · May 2015

Dixa wrote: »

is this a pvp or pve discussion? i can't tell. many of you talk about dps and 1v1 in the same sentence - two totally UNRELATED aspects of any class.

It's mostly 1 vs 1 PvP

technohic · May 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

If you've been paying attention to some discussions and polls, most people agree that Magicka Templars are weak, so I'll be offering some balance tips.

1. Aedric Spear

- Puncturing Strikes: remove CC immunity or increase the damage
- Piercing Javelin: Increase the damage on all its morphs

2. Dawn's Wrath

- Sun Fire: increase the projectile speed
- Solar Flare and Dark Flare: increase the projectile speed and (for Dark Flare) give Dark Flare a 20% instant cast chance (like Crystal Fragments).
- Backlash: slightly increase the maximum damage
- Eclipse: lower the magicka cost with 400

3. Restoring Light

- Healing Ritual: Give this ability and its morphs a 20% chance to instant cast when previously used another Restoring Light ability.

Changes to your suggestions I would make would be

-to just remove the CC from Puncturing Strikes, not the CC immunity.

-Eclipse its not a magicka cost issue. I would rather make it purgeable rather than treat it like a CC the way it is now. Then, make the heals happen when purged on Total Dark the way the damage happens when removed on unstable core so it always has its use

its really more of a matter of QOL changes that I see needed more than power buffs. Smoother animations. Bug fixes. Removal of some of the extra GCD templar seems to have compared to other classes with quicker animations. As for extras, I would like some better crowd control and some sort of escape. i would trade RD for Blinding Flashes back any day of the week.

glak · May 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

1. Aedric Spear

- Piercing Javelin: Increase the damage on all its morphs

2. Dawn's Wrath

- Sun Fire: increase the projectile speed
- Solar Flare and Dark Flare: increase the projectile speed and (for Dark Flare) give Dark Flare a 20% instant cast chance (like Crystal Fragments).
- Backlash: slightly increase the maximum damage
- Eclipse: lower the magicka cost with 400

3. Restoring Light

- Healing Ritual: Give this ability and its morphs a 33% chance to proc instant cast when previously used another Templar ability.

Healing Ritual suggestion above with additions
Crystal Shards proc behavior, same 33%
Show white hands when proc is ready.
Increase to 20 m range only on proc.

Baring all the above, change the Restoring Light passives to affect all healing that the Templar innitiates if ZOS is married to a 2 second cast time on Healing Ritual.

glak · May 2015

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

It's almost as if you didn't get a magicka based DPs execute that can be spammed for 15k+ dps

Would you mind telling me how to do that? I have 2.5k spell damage, 29k magicka and don't get rd above 5k dps outside execute range.

Btw. I want my blinding flashes back.

Put blinding flagged back in place of eclipse.

And it's not 15k dps. It's 15k total. Don't just eat the channeled, fully interruptable execute like you don't have a choice.

VagabondAngel · May 2015

- Make Solar Barrage instant cast (like impulse)
- Make one morph of Radiant Destruction to be like Blinding Flashes was
- Make the other morph of Blazing Shield (the non-booming one) scale off magicka
- Faster projectiles for Dawn's Wrath

Rook_Master · May 2015

Make Dark Flare like Crystal Frags.

Make Blazing Shield Scale off Magicka.

Remove CC immunity from Jabs.

Make Sun Fire and Dark Flare projectiles faster.