Problems in Cyrodiil visualised

Tyvarra · May 2015

1). Population and Night-Capping
Yesterday evening when I left Thornblade EU, reds had only 2 keeps left (Arrius and Farragut). The rest was blue and yellow. And look how it was this morning:

Is that how it’s supposed to be? You fight the whole day against reds (who have strangely more players than blues and yellows all day although all are pop locked). And in the morning you log in to this ***? Sorry but I don’t want that anymore. Bye bye Thornblade.

2) Players
All the problems with performance and night capping and so on head to players leaving the campaign or even the game. A few months ago the minimum size of my guild group every evening looked like this:

We had at least 5 groups up EVERY evening. Nowadays it looks like this:

You can imagine how frustrated I am. All my friends are leaving.

3) Siege Weapons and Lag
Typical situation with lag (look at the ping, seems normal). We were in front of the keep waiting because no one could set up sieges. Enemy could repair the wall though:

If some of you experienced similar situations feel free to post pictures. Maybe picture can say more than words and get Zenimaxx to do something. I’m still hoping…

Greetings, Anriel Elbereth

Sharee · May 2015

About the 'ping looks normal' - from my experience, the ping indicator seems to be only updated by the client once every minute, or even longer. It is unreliable as more often than not, it shows you what the ping was, not what it is.

Other than that... yeah. We need dynamic population caps.

Etaniel · May 2015

Reds needs to be punished even more for their nightcapping. Yesterday was already quite humiliating for them, having only Kings/Farra and arrius and loosing them repeatedly while being pop locked. Nightcap seems to be their only solution. I really despise guilds who nightcap. They could at least stop after getting the emp keeps.
The couple hours I played during the afternoon yesterday blues and yellows were smart and stayed off each other for the most part, focusing heavily on the reds, let's keep it that way.
Before anyone tells me that DC and AD also nightcap , it is lame and despicable no matter what faction is doing it.

Iyas · May 2015

Reds have to be banned on TB. Everyone for destroying my fun

ToRelax · May 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

Reds needs to be punished even more for their nightcapping. Yesterday was already quite humiliating for them, having only Kings/Farra and arrius and loosing them repeatedly while being pop locked. Nightcap seems to be their only solution. I really despise guilds who nightcap. They could at least stop after getting the emp keeps.
The couple hours I played during the afternoon yesterday blues and yellows were smart and stayed off each other for the most part, focusing heavily on the reds, let's keep it that way.
Before anyone tells me that DC and AD also nightcap , it is lame and despicable no matter what faction is doing it.

...
"AD and DC team up against us!"
"EP nightcaps!"
"AD and DC still team up!"
"EP still hasn't stopped nightcapping!

"
"Green alliance!"
"Let's punish them even more for their nightcapping!"
...

You are telling me you expect anyone to stop taking what they can to win the campaign, when that is ones goal, because the enemy factions team up against us? Whatever floats your boat I guess...

Etaniel · May 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Reds needs to be punished even more for their nightcapping. Yesterday was already quite humiliating for them, having only Kings/Farra and arrius and loosing them repeatedly while being pop locked. Nightcap seems to be their only solution. I really despise guilds who nightcap. They could at least stop after getting the emp keeps.
The couple hours I played during the afternoon yesterday blues and yellows were smart and stayed off each other for the most part, focusing heavily on the reds, let's keep it that way.
Before anyone tells me that DC and AD also nightcap , it is lame and despicable no matter what faction is doing it.

...
"AD and DC team up against us!"
"EP nightcaps!"
"AD and DC still team up!"
"EP still hasn't stopped nightcapping! "
"Green alliance!"
"Let's punish them even more for their nightcapping!"
...

You are telling me you expect anyone to stop taking what they can to win the campaign, when that is ones goal, because the enemy factions team up against us? Whatever floats your boat I guess...

I expect people to not use cheap ways to get their victory.
People are teaming up on EP because they hate them for nightcapping. Just like EP and DC were teaming up on AD when they were nightcapping... and it's totally normal. No faction should win through nightcaps, so if it's your only tool to get the victory, i'm glad that you get ganged up by both factions the entire day.

ToRelax · May 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Reds needs to be punished even more for their nightcapping. Yesterday was already quite humiliating for them, having only Kings/Farra and arrius and loosing them repeatedly while being pop locked. Nightcap seems to be their only solution. I really despise guilds who nightcap. They could at least stop after getting the emp keeps.
The couple hours I played during the afternoon yesterday blues and yellows were smart and stayed off each other for the most part, focusing heavily on the reds, let's keep it that way.
Before anyone tells me that DC and AD also nightcap , it is lame and despicable no matter what faction is doing it.

...
"AD and DC team up against us!"
"EP nightcaps!"
"AD and DC still team up!"
"EP still hasn't stopped nightcapping! "
"Green alliance!"
"Let's punish them even more for their nightcapping!"
...

You are telling me you expect anyone to stop taking what they can to win the campaign, when that is ones goal, because the enemy factions team up against us? Whatever floats your boat I guess...

I expect people to not use cheap ways to get their victory.
People are teaming up on EP because they hate them for nightcapping. Just like EP and DC were teaming up on AD when they were nightcapping... and it's totally normal. No faction should win through nightcaps, so if it's your only tool to get the victory, i'm glad that you get ganged up by both factions the entire day.

Don't misunderstand me - I don't have a problem with fighting both AD and DC. I rather like how many fights I can get when EP is turtling in Arrius, while the lag is not too bad. I just don't see any reasoning behind your comment why they should team up. It's not like it would stop or even reduce nightcapping or something.

Also, nightcapping isn't good for a competitive campaign, yes. But a competitive campaign is also pretty much encouraging it. You don't want to let the other factions get more points during nighttime...

Tyvarra · May 2015

Its totally normal that 2 fractions team up against the stronger one. I play AD and when we have all keeps below the line ash - brk then blue and red are both pushing down. Thats the way it is and its called strategy or "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. And no one is saying sth against that IF thats happening when all fractions are pop locked. In the night when no one is around, taking all the keeps that must be boring as hell and does not count as winning or being the stronger team^^ It just ruins the game for the other two factions. Well EP will be all alone on TB soon. I'm leaving with my guild next and many others already did. Have fun with your keeps and an empty campaign

Erock25 · May 2015

EDIT: My web browser sucks

OtarTheMad · May 2015

All this is very common on the NA server as well. It's a real shame but night capping has been a thing for a very long time. I remember a DC guild who did that from time to time way back when Chrysamere was a campaign and no one in the game was VR 5 yet, probably only a handful had beaten Molag Bal. It will always be something guilds do for their precious PvE buffs and even if they changed it will still be a problem because some guilds can't compete and nightcap instead.

I have been recruiting for my new PvP guild but even when I ran my old one it was really hard to get people to PvP because they felt they were underpowered because they weren't VR 14 yet or they hated the lag. If ZOS would just take away PvE buffs from PVP and install two other campaigns: one for VR 1-5 and one for VR 6-10 things would be different. More would PvP and probably less night capping.

Then again who knows. All I know is players have a blast PvPing in the non-vet campaign and they come to the regular ones and get owned by VR14's... then they rage and probably quit.

VagabondAngel · May 2015

Tyvarra wrote: »

Well EP will be all alone on TB soon. I'm leaving with my guild next and many others already did. Have fun with your keeps and an empty campaign

It's sad - there are still many of us who actually want to PvP. My PVP day atm is getting in from work and joining the queue (about 120-150 ish), missing my spot because I have to have dinner, rejoining another queue after that (usually about 9-10pm at this point) to finally arrive just in time for DC and AD to start logging off for the EP nightcap.

This used to be a hotly contested campaign. I miss that. Where to go now to find one that isn't yet another buff campaign for one faction or another...?

Joy_Division · May 2015

Not that I condone "night-capping," but I don't think that is why people are leaving the game. In no specific order:

1 - The Time to Kill is ridiculously low. Note: non-vet does not suffer from this.
2 - There still is no legitimate counterplay against a 24 person raid who stacks on top of each other except another 24 person "blob".
3 - Resource regeneration is (now) out of control. At launch I recall my magicka regen being capped somewhere around 80. Go ahead and add the digit to covert to 1.6 and know that peole are running around with over 3000 stamina/magicka regeneration.
4 - After a year, the map of Cyrodiil looks exactly the same. I'm tired of fighting in the Nikel - Ash corridor. Zos, instead of asking us nicely to spread out, how about you provide us with a dynamic map with different gameplay elements? And while you are at it, can you please give me some tools so I can actually fight Havoc's "pain train" instead of insta-dying when that blob turns against me?

Davadin · May 2015

so this is EU?

coz US' Thornblade's been red for the 2nd campaign rounds now... its dead boring. i'm moving my home campaign from it to somewhere else. not sure Chillrend or that other 30-days...

and i'm EP.