Classissue NB passive // Comparison

Mumyo · May 2015

Hi there, i did some testing recently and tried to get good regenerationnumbers with my Templar.
Im too tired of swapping gear atm so i will give u a comparison with different item sets but they truly speak for theirselves.

Templar Setup: Redguard, 5xWillows Path, 4x Shadow Walker, 1xBlood Spawn, 1x Monster Set with Health.
Nightblade Setup: Redguard, 5x Skirmisher, 4x Shadow Walker, 2x Dreugh King Slayer.

Both have the same Champion points spent, regeneration etc.

The Nightblade reaches 2.7k Stamina regeneration with the blue regen bufffood.
The Templar with the full regen build, vampire and aura finally gets close to those numbers. Willows Path offers m 15% regeneration on every ressource, Vampire another 10% as the Aura another 10%. Makes 35%.+ Blood spawn regen that the Nightblade doesnt have.

A Nightblade easily reaches that with 1 little passive and nothing needs to be slotted for that.

When i wear the same setup as the Nightblade, i dont even reach the 2k regeneration mark... i am around 1.7k or so.

Discuss!

Bahalul · May 2015

eNumbra · May 2015

Nightblades don't get a whole line of Heals like Templars or a Green Dragon blood equivalent.

Tell you what, you get Nightblades some of them delicious OP self-heals and you can have our one regen passive.

Mumyo · May 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Nightblades don't get a whole line of Heals like Templars or a Green Dragon blood equivalent.

Tell you what, you get Nightblades some of them delicious OP self-heals and you can have our one regen passive.

Thats a stamina comparison... it ruly wont go for 2.7k stamregg on templar when i was magicka.

In case people are [snip], pls dont answer to this thread.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

eNumbra · May 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

In case people are ***, pls dont answer to this thread.

Lol:

Mumyo wrote: »

Discuss!

Newsflash - there are differences between classes, if there weren't there'd be no point to different classes.

Mumyo · May 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

In case people are ***, pls dont answer to this thread.

Lol:

Mumyo wrote: »

Discuss!

Newsflash - there are differences between classes, if there weren't there'd be no point to different classes.

That leads you to what exactly? pls would u read the thread again before u answer, ok?

eNumbra · May 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

That leads you to what exactly? pls would u read the thread again before u answer, ok?

I read the entire thread - You're complaining about Nightblades having a big bonus to stamina regeneration. You said discuss, so I discussed and then, in a very passive agressive way, you called me ***.

You never really made a clear statement of what you're thoughts on the matter were, you simply stated "my templar can't achieve the same regen as my nightblade" - to which I answer: "so what?"

Mumyo · May 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

That leads you to what exactly? pls would u read the thread again before u answer, ok?

I read the entire thread - You're complaining about Nightblades having a big bonus to stamina regeneration. You said discuss, so I discussed and then, in a very passive agressive way, you called me ***.

You never really made a clear statement of what you're thoughts on the matter were, you simply stated "my templar can't achieve the same regen as my nightblade" - to which I answer: "so what?"

No, i complain abiout the way its calculated, i have way more regeneration boosts on the templar that summ up to 35% and still have way less than the nightblade with only 30%... its simply the way that passive is working with %stacking and the strength that one passive has. Its definately more than 30% in the end, it more likely is 100%.

Erondil · May 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

In case people are [snip], pls dont answer to this thread.

#Mumyounchained

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

eNumbra · May 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

No, i complain abiout the way its calculated, i have way more regeneration boosts on the templar that summ up to 35% and still have way less than the nightblade with only 30%... its simply the way that passive is working with %stacking and the strength that one passive has. Its definately more than 30% in the end, it more likely is 100%.

Could be weighted by the equations differently, scummy and misleading but not really surprising. I would suspect you've got more base somewhere providing that boost, but since you've provided no screens there's nothing to refute.

IxSTALKERxI · May 2015

Leave my stam regen alone.

If they were to nerf it they could change it so it only apply's up to 8 seconds after using a shadow ability or something. I could still work that into a build.

Don't nerf it too hard tho.

Mumyo · May 2015

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Leave my stam regen alone.

If they were to nerf it they could change it so it only apply's up to 8 seconds after using a shadow ability or something. I could still work that into a build. Don't nerf it too hard tho.

Ull at least enjoy it for this year, i dont expect any content patches soon

Zorgon_The_Revenged · May 2015

Templars also have a passive which reduces the cost of abilities (4% I think). Templar still wins.

Mumyo · May 2015

Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »

Templars also have a passive which reduces the cost of abilities (4% I think). Templar still wins.

ok. im sry! Pls hit me with a rock.

vortexman11 · May 2015

Nightblades don't have good self heals like Breath of Life or Green Dragonblood, they don't have instant regen skills like Repentance or the Helping Hand earthen heart passive. They're a class based solely on regens, from their passives that raise their pools and regenerations to their skills like Siphoning Attacks

Soulac · May 2015

Flat Stamreg * (ClassPassives + Skillpassives + Potion Bonus + ArmorPassives) * championpassive * (WW passive + Racialpassive + formerEmp)

1) WW got a place on the third part of the formula, vampire seems like it doesn't.
2) I have no idea where willows path gets involved

Erondil · May 2015

vortexman11 wrote: »

Nightblades don't have good self heals like Breath of Life or Green Dragonblood, they don't have instant regen skills like Repentance or the Helping Hand earthen heart passive. They're a class based solely on regens, from their passives that raise their pools and regenerations to their skills like Siphoning Attacks

Try to use breath of life in a stamina build. 4k heal for 50% of your magicka, not bad! Vigor is the best heal for stamina templars, and nightblade can unlock it aswell. I'm NB and being honnest, 30% is OP + relentless focus 10%. Templars (who has no escape remember) cant compete.

DDuke · May 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

That leads you to what exactly? pls would u read the thread again before u answer, ok?

I read the entire thread - You're complaining about Nightblades having a big bonus to stamina regeneration. You said discuss, so I discussed and then, in a very passive agressive way, you called me ***.

You never really made a clear statement of what you're thoughts on the matter were, you simply stated "my templar can't achieve the same regen as my nightblade" - to which I answer: "so what?"

No, i complain abiout the way its calculated, i have way more regeneration boosts on the templar that summ up to 35% and still have way less than the nightblade with only 30%... its simply the way that passive is working with %stacking and the strength that one passive has. Its definately more than 30% in the end, it more likely is 100%.

Or it could be that some bonuses stack multiplicative, not additive. In this case, it would obviously affect the NB as well, if the NB was to stack more regen buffs. Requires more testing imo.

On core principal, it's absolutely fine that classes are different (though their gameplay should differ even more than it currently does imo) & have different regen rates.

Erondil · May 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

That leads you to what exactly? pls would u read the thread again before u answer, ok?

I read the entire thread - You're complaining about Nightblades having a big bonus to stamina regeneration. You said discuss, so I discussed and then, in a very passive agressive way, you called me ***.

You never really made a clear statement of what you're thoughts on the matter were, you simply stated "my templar can't achieve the same regen as my nightblade" - to which I answer: "so what?"

No, i complain abiout the way its calculated, i have way more regeneration boosts on the templar that summ up to 35% and still have way less than the nightblade with only 30%... its simply the way that passive is working with %stacking and the strength that one passive has. Its definately more than 30% in the end, it more likely is 100%.

Or it could be that some bonuses stack multiplicative, not additive. In this case, it would obviously affect the NB as well, if the NB was to stack more regen buffs. Requires more testing imo.

On core principal, it's absolutely fine that classes are different (though their gameplay should differ even more than it currently does imo) & have different regen rates.

gonna quote it for you

Soulac wrote: »

Flat Stamreg * (ClassPassives + Skillpassives + Potion Bonus + ArmorPassives) * championpassive * (WW passive + Racialpassive + formerEmp)

1) WW got a place on the third part of the formula, vampire seems like it doesn't.
2) I have no idea where willows path gets involved

Samadhi · May 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

Hi there, i did some testing recently and tried to get good regenerationnumbers with my Templar.
Im too tired of swapping gear atm so i will give u a comparison with different item sets but they truly speak for theirselves.

Templar Setup: Redguard, 5xWillows Path, 4x Shadow Walker, 1xBlood Spawn, 1x Monster Set with Health.
Nightblade Setup: Redguard, 5x Skirmisher, 4x Shadow Walker, 2x Dreugh King Slayer.

Both have the same Champion points spent, regeneration etc.

The Nightblade reaches 2.7k Stamina regeneration with the blue regen bufffood.
The Templar with the full regen build, vampire and aura finally gets close to those numbers. Willows Path offers m 15% regeneration on every ressource, Vampire another 10% as the Aura another 10%. Makes 35%.+ Blood spawn regen that the Nightblade doesnt have.

A Nightblade easily reaches that with 1 little passive and nothing needs to be slotted for that.

When i wear the same setup as the Nightblade, i dont even reach the 2k regeneration mark... i am around 1.7k or so.

Discuss!

Am a bit confused, what is the direction your post is trying to point to?

Is this about Templar having better options to stack up Magicka and Health Regen while Nightblade only gets to work on Stamina Regen?
Willow's Path + Restoring Aura is obviously going to further increase regen stats that the Nightblade does not have access to -- if you really want a laugh try running Channeled Focus for an extra 400 Magicka restore every 2 seconds that stacks independent of Major/Minor Magicka regen buffs.
Are you activating Aura in your tests for the additional 20% Stamina and Health Regen bonuses as well, or just running it for the passive buff to Health/Magicka/Stamina Regen?

Of course, when the Nightblade Stamina Regen passive was first changed (it originally only gave Stamina Regen for 4 seconds after using an ability from the Shadow tree) knew that there were going to be complaints eventually.
Maybe the passive ought to be changed to match with Dragonknights -- instead of providing straight up Regen it could provide the Nightblade with 5% of their max Stamina stat whenever they use a Shadow skill.

This thread would be more helpful with screenshots of comparisons though.

ToRelax · May 2015

Samadhi wrote: »

[...]Maybe the passive ought to be changed to match with Dragonknights -- instead of providing straight up Regen it could provide the Nightblade with 5% of their max Stamina stat whenever they use a Shadow skill.

This thread would be more helpful with screenshots of comparisons though.

So that Surprise Attack + Roll Dodge is essentially free cast? No thanks.